EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

[GodSpeedK]

Would I like Diphenidine if I hated MXE but love Ket?

 

[Sammy G]

You might like diphenidine, but not because it's anything like ket, because it isn't. Not remotely.

Anybody looking for something even vaguely similar to ketamine will be very disappointed indeed.

 

[babylonboy]

I don't think anyone can tell you that. YMMV, right? If I hate bananas but love oranges, will I like pears?

 

[GodSpeedK]

Alright, maybe I should have rephrased the question a little differently. Like, are the effects similar to ketamine? But you got what I meant surely.

 

[knock]

If you have a huge tolerance to ketamine, so much that it just gives you a little lift and a pleasantly altered feeling, then yes there are similarities.

If on the other hand ketamine makes you collapse in a heap and visit other worlds, then probably not, although I can't be sure about that because it might just be my tolerance to dissociatives that is preventing MXP from having those effects.

 

[GodSpeedK]

If you have a huge tolerance to ketamine, so much that it just gives you a little lift and a pleasantly altered feeling, then yes there are similarities.

If on the other hand ketamine makes you collapse in a heap and visit other worlds, then probably not, although I can't be sure about that because it might just be my tolerance to dissociatives that is preventing MXP from having those effects.

Through the fucking roof! Highest it's probably ever been. K-holes are a distant memory, grams are like mgs now. Christmas period was seriously moronic for over-indulgence. I do it every year, like you get given a new body on 1st of Jan. So ridiculous.

Been craving it all day badly and it's only been 6 days since I last used. There'd be no point in it right now, would hardly have any effect. So that's why I wanted to know about alternatives. But yeah, really I should just be taking a break from all sorts of drug use, rather than trying to find possible substitutes. But maybe not. Gonna sensibly deal with the cravings, as they aren't withdrawals and show some strength for once.

 

[AcidTrippin]

How do k cramps not hit you all first before this kind of use?! Made it impossible for me and I had some decent binges. Just not a point to it when it's like that.

 

[GodSpeedK]

How do k cramps not hit you all first before this kind of use?! Made it impossible for me and I had some decent binges. Just not a point to it when it's like that.

I drink a lot of water to compensate, like ridiculous amounts. Do a line - down a pint of water. So I'm hopeful that a lot of it gets flushed out. Unfortunately, some of it will sit in the bladder regardless and dissolve the lining, leading to botched healing that results in scar tissue...thus decreasing size and elasticity and increasing urination. You probably know this already. But yeah, I've experienced unpleasant pains. Dull aches in my bladder, kidney twinges (which is probably the most worrying sign). But nothing that's excruciating or too much like how people on here usually describe the dreaded K-cramps. Never had to run a hot bath or been reduced to rolling around in agony on the floor. Which is weirdly a bit of a shame, because I'd have possibly stopped if that were so. The logical answer is quit while I'm ahead instead of getting to that point. Unfortunately not much logic is applied when it comes to being a ket fiend.

 

[Josh]

still, id repeat for those who try it that MXP lasts a long time...

How long? Mxe was maybe 4 or 5 hours for me, but usually more like 7 or 8 because I'd forget I'd doesn't peak for about 2 hours and redose.

Still, I'm very interested in mxp, to the point I may soon try it. I have a silly tolerance to Ketamine (the old gram lines heh) now though so I wonder if I'll just be disappointed.

 

[AcidTrippin]

I drink a lot of water to compensate, like ridiculous amounts. Do a line - down a pint of water. So I'm hopeful that a lot of it gets flushed out. Unfortunately, some of it will sit in the bladder regardless and dissolve the lining, leading to botched healing that results in scar tissue...thus decreasing size and elasticity and increasing urination. You probably know this already. But yeah, I've experienced unpleasant pains. Dull aches in my bladder, kidney twinges (which is probably the most worrying sign). But nothing that's excruciating or too much like how people on here usually describe the dreaded K-cramps. Never had to run a hot bath or been reduced to rolling around in agony on the floor. Which is weirdly a bit of a shame, because I'd have possibly stopped if that were so. The logical answer is quit while I'm ahead instead of getting to that point. Unfortunately not much logic is applied when it comes to being a ket fiend.

Yeah this is what I don't get with ketamine, because i have friends who are similar to you also who can also manage to get away with some pain but not the really severe ones that put you off that I and a few others on here have had. It appears to be subjective to the person.

 

[DS_]

Yeah this is what I don't get with ketamine, because i have friends who are similar to you also who can also manage to get away with some pain but not the really severe ones that put you off that I and a few others on here have had. It appears to be subjective to the person.

It's clearly subjective as all drug use is subjective. The pain is likely to be linked to your lifestyle. I've met people that haven't ever had cramps despite being a ketamine user as heavy as I was.

 

[Shambles]

How long?

For me? Abour 10 days in total. Maybe a lil longer. I did get through 2g in a weekend though. Stuff is fiendish as all fukkery for me. Be very cautious with dosing would be my advice. Specifically in relation to re-dosing. It repeats on you for days after your last dose once you go past a certain point. Certainly did for me anyway. Also be aware there have been reports of hospitalisations from one-off initial high doses. Start low, don't redose would be my top tip for folk who haven't tried MXP before. And that goes with or without prior dissociative tolerance cos mine is though the roof and it still had me within minutes of dialling 999 at points (and I cann assaure y'all that is not something I would ever do lightly). Then there was the week or so of coming up at regular intervals once I had stopped dosing - and coming up harder than I was when I was dosing for the first three days.

In relation to the above debate over "which is the best" - it's all pure YMMV territory. It's a decision you have to make on the basis of it being a completely new and different substance. For me (and only me) MXP wipes the floor with diphenidine (which felt like MXE Lite to me) and even the hallowed MXE itself (cos I never found MXE especially euphoric - not to mention my tolerance is truly abominable (~1/3g IM just to feel at it's height - thankfully now down to "only" 1g/day snorted on the odd occasion I still indulge) - nor is MXE speedy so a dissociative which is both highly stimulating and highly euphoric that is also intensely intense even with stupidly high tolerance is kinda my dream dissociative). YMMV.

I'm still gonna bang on about being extremely careful with MXP though. It's in a whole other league compared to any of the other legal dissociatives in my book

 

[Funkadelica]

So my 4-AcO-DMT has arrived and planning on a wee tester tomorrow. 15mg be a decent go for a first time? I'm being a bit cautious due to previous mushroom experiences being a little bit on the difficult side, but that was a few years ago now. From what I've read 15mg is bordering on a lighter side of things and that will suit me fine. I'm just wondering what anyone on here has to say about this dose (cough Shambles cough).

Also got some MXE and this stuff is weird. In a good way though. Takes a good while to hit you instead of the bang that MXE of old would do. Once it hits you though, it hits you! Full on psychedelic trips on the stuff. Saw visions of myself in a future life yesterday. Was on a voyage through memories and future times. Not really what I look for with MXE, as I prefer the ideas and epiphanies that I normally get and insights on how I can improve myself. This stuff just takes me to a whole other level!

Talking of MXE, does it interact well with 4-AcO-DMT? I would be thinking of a wee line or so when coming down but would rather avoid any nasty side effects etc.

 

[Sammy G]

Methoxetamine was fine on the tail end of mushrooms for me, so I can't see why the same wouldn't be true of 4-AcO-DMT.

 

[knock]

15mg is a fine starting dose. I don't find 4-AcO-DMT to be as "difficult" as mushrooms. Not saying it doesn't have the potential for introspection etc, but it seems more likely to be a straightforward visual thing, certainly at lower doses.

I personally wouldn't take it with MXE, purely because MXE tends to make you confused, and I like a clearish head on "traditional" psychedelics. But I don't think there would be any problem taking some on way down. Tryptamines are listed under "seemingly safe" in the MXE combinations thread.

 

[Mental Kenny]

I don't know why peope are saying MXP lasts for ages, it definately didn't for me. I had half a gram to play with over the christmas holiday and a g of Diphenidine, neither lasted long for me. The MXP at doses of 85 mgs x2 lasted about 7 or 8 hours max, the Diphenidine even at over 400mgs lasted even less. Mostly dosed at night after dinner and was always down by dawn.

The first time I tried the MXP I think I did like 65 mgs in the morning was completely back to baseline by mid-afternoon.

 

[Funkadelica]

Cool, thanks chaps! I look forward to the trial run tomorrow. Read many good things about it.

 

[Swarm]

I think the MXP duration is probably only noticeable upon redosing. That's how it was for me anyway. I took a single dose on the first night and had effects for like 5 hrs or something, nothing out of the ordinary anyway. However, when I dosed 3 times the next day I felt like all were accumulating and interacting with each other. I love dissociateives more than is humanly possible so the effect was very welcome but I was secretly glad I ran out of drugs when I did as I think I was on the verge of getting into some dangerous territory.

 

[Shambles]

So my 4-AcO-DMT has arrived and planning on a wee tester tomorrow. 15mg be a decent go for a first time? I'm being a bit cautious due to previous mushroom experiences being a little bit on the difficult side, but that was a few years ago now. From what I've read 15mg is bordering on a lighter side of things and that will suit me fine. I'm just wondering what anyone on here has to say about this dose (cough Shambles cough).

I concur with what Knock said more or less to the letter. 15mg is a good starting point for somebody familiar with tripping (specifically on mushies) but perhaps a lil wary of going too deep too soon. It has a funny ol' dose:response curve does 4-AcO-DMT. It goes up smooth and steady until you get to ~25mg at which point increasing the dose by a smidge can have surprisingly steep jumps in intensity. I also agree with Knock that it somehow feels "easier" than mushrooms. My theory being that mushrooms have a range of alkaloids (albeit mostly only in very small proportions) and these affect the trip in ways that simply are not there in a more "pure" psilocin (or is it psilocybin? one converts to t'other but both are active in their own right). Also, I never get any of the GI discomfort that mushies gives me sometimes which is a bonus for me as feeling a bit sickly when tripping can send things off down a bit of a dark alley sometimes. Has done for me in the past anyway.

I don't know why peope are saying MXP lasts for ages, it definately didn't for me. I had half a gram to play with over the christmas holiday and a g of Diphenidine, neither lasted long for me. The MXP at doses of 85 mgs x2 lasted about 7 or 8 hours max, the Diphenidine even at over 400mgs lasted even less. Mostly dosed at night after dinner and was always down by dawn.

The first time I tried the MXP I think I did like 65 mgs in the morning was completely back to baseline by mid-afternoon.

You answered your own question, Kenny

The people warning of massively extended durations were taking rather high doses and redosing repeatedly. It seems to build up in the system and has the half-life from hell. It appears to be similar to PCP in this regards (according to people who have tried both). I have no idea at what point you switch from a single "trip" to one that just does not quit so can't be more specific than to just warn people that this definitely does happen when you take higher doses and redose repeatedly. Single one-off doses don't appear to be all that safe given there were hospitalisations of people trying this even when only a handful of people had used the stuff at all. Ultimately it's a case of either believing the experience of others and learning from it or finding out the hard way. Given this is a HR forum it seemed prudent to warn people cos lawdy did it take me by surprise 8(

 

[Mental Kenny]

^I did redose on occasions but still didn't find it that long lasting, definately felt slightly impaired the next day though, so people should keep that in mind when dosing at night time if you have to drive places in the morning.