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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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^View my edited post above, looks like I may have serendipitously stumbled over the debutante.
 
Saw it, I'd be careful, there was a vendor offering LSB some time back and it turned out to be a scam - it was actually some nbome. Of course I wouldn't mind being wrong about this.

I know we're not allowed to talk about specific vendors, but was it one that had/has AL-LAD and LSZ or someone else? I think those already selling lsz/al-lad will be the first ones with this new compound..
 
Yeah, the early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese. I'm not going to hurry to buy it. I don't think it's going too far to say yes, it is someone already offering the other two, and that if it did turn out to be a scam, I would not be surprised. If it is, sorry Mr. Knock.
 
If it's someone offering the other two it may well be real. Perhaps buy the smallest amount and do a reagent test or take it to a HR organization and have them analyze it?
 
PRO-LAD and ETH-LAD are both N-alkyl derivatives of LSD and would be illegal in the UK
 
Lysergide and other N-alkyl derivatives of Lysergamide
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I interpreted this as meaning the amide nitrogen, not the 6- position, but I guess it means alkyl groups on any nitrogen atom, presumably the indole nitrogen as well, I obviously didn't think. You are right, I was mistaken, much to my chagrin. Mea culpa. LSB/LAB/whatever we're calling N-isobutylLAD is covered too, in this case.
 
Yeah I interpreted that as the intention, but because it's not clear, any N-alkyl derivative would be illegal.
 
Hang on... in lysergamide, the 6- position nitrogen is already a tertiary amine. So, couldn't one argue that the higher homologues aren't really "N-alkyl derivatives" of lysergamide, because that would imply another C-N bond, a quaternary ammonium compound? Seems so sloppily and vaguely worded, if you compare it to the rigour evident in the precise terms used in the catch-all clauses for phens/tryps/ArC6Ns it's just rubbish. I'm not a legal expert, is it possible this is a grey area that would need precedent to be decided? Is "derivative" even strictly defined by any authority? I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore!
 
Think i got sent 1g of 4-FA in a 2g bag, thought it looked lacking when i got it, no way have i gone through 2g in 2 days
 
foolsgold, not a common one, can't say I've heard of it, but you can expect it to be most similar to 5-MeO-MiPT, which is well known and explored, and to a lesser extent to 5-MeO-DiPT. Both in TiHKAL, both on Erowid and this site and better known. Obviously proceed with caution with any new chem, but I think we can take a pretty decent guess at what it might be like.
 
cheers babylonboy :) just saw it nice and cheep to for 100mg and its time I moved out of the stims and into the psychedelics may do me more good in the long run than my constant sleep deprivation addiction that I have I love the insanity of not sleeping for days on end just to black out and start again
 
lucky you ive got to wait till Tuesday to get high best part is ive got an appointment at the Cambridge centre drugs counselling the same day score around 10am to 12pm get high then go to this at 3pm :) any way fuck it night you lot
 
now your just being a sod with me now knock grrrr could get of my lazy arse and goto York before malton in the morning and score if I want but sod it il wait any way im off to the land of nod see you in a few hours
 
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Hang on... in lysergamide, the 6- position nitrogen is already a tertiary amine. So, couldn't one argue that the higher homologues aren't really "N-alkyl derivatives" of lysergamide, because that would imply another C-N bond, a quaternary ammonium compound? Seems so sloppily and vaguely worded, if you compare it to the rigour evident in the precise terms used in the catch-all clauses for phens/tryps/ArC6Ns it's just rubbish. I'm not a legal expert, is it possible this is a grey area that would need precedent to be decided? Is "derivative" even strictly defined by any authority? I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore!
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I completely agree, it is sloppy and poorly worded. There is an argument that an analogue should be reach-able in a single step from a common precursor which this again isn't really.

Unfortunately the law was not (and rarely is now, let alone back then) written for a group of more qualified persons to pick it apart for loopholes.

You might be able to get out of this one with a good lawyer but even then, if they were going for you they'd be able to chase with the medicines act, banning sale for human consumption.
 
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