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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

yeah, im pretty sure Thursday was my last dose, i took some then as i had appointments with my workers, and i thought they might bouoy me up for the quit attempt on Friday, they didnt do that directly, but inderictly its allways (well most of the time) a boost going over there.

And thanks, the difference this time is that its been easy so far, so its not been the sheer hell just holding out, like it was last time, where after 6 days i just couldnt take it any more.
 
When I dropped from 0.4 to 0 it took a day for wd to kick in, then the worst was over in a week.

I never got this PAWs people talk of. I was fine afterwards, perhaps as I didnt know about it I didn't worry about suffering from it.

That is what I think is a downside to bluelight you here about WD so bad, then you worry about it yourself and as WD can play mindgames with you, it starts to fester in your head and then your WD get worse. And then on top of that people go on about PAWs and the slightest negative thought and you worrying about getting bad PAWs and then it gets worse as you worry about it!

I think Bluelight is not a good for PAWs it makes people concentrate on negatives.
 
wcote said:
When I dropped from 0.4 to 0 it took a day for wd to kick in, then the worst was over in a week.

I never got this PAWs people talk of. I was fine afterwards, perhaps as I didnt know about it I didn't worry about suffering from it.

That is what I think is a downside to bluelight you here about WD so bad, then you worry about it yourself and as WD can play mindgames with you, it starts to fester in your head and then your WD get worse. And then on top of that people go on about PAWs and the slightest negative thought and you worrying about getting bad PAWs and then it gets worse as you worry about it!

I think Bluelight is not a good for PAWs it makes people concentrate on negatives.
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yeah there is something in that, had i not known about PAWS i wouldnt be worrying about it. As it stands im taking mirtazapine which i believe should help alleviate the worst of that, should it hit me. I do agree its quite largely all about belief, some members here gave me the belief that i could do it, and that i was making a mountain out of a molehill. Turning it back into a molehill in my mind might have helped significantly.

@ Knock, my etiz dose may well still be too high to have to suffer the horrrors of your defintion of PAWS, I'll have to take that one extremely gradually.
 
wcote said:
I never got this PAWs people talk of. I was fine afterwards, perhaps as I didnt know about it I didn't worry about suffering from it.
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Me neither. Though I wouldn't say 'fine' exactly. Relieved to have got through it all, definitely.

knock said:
I think PAWS stands for "Perceiving the Actual World Syndrome".
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Very good. =D

Very true, too. The most difficult bit of it is seeing things in pin-sharp clarity again. Especially when you were using in order to escape from that same reality.
 
Being on another drug certainly does help from my limited experience.

When I got off the valium I was still on around 4mg of bupe, and my drug nurse said that it would help. And to tell you the truth getting off valium I felt NOTHING. But I must remember I was only addicted to them for about 18 months.

Still I was pretty please I didn't feel anything.

Funny story, when you get on opiates I found that if I tried to wank I would cum in a minute.... I was so scared that it would last forever but it didn't. Anyhow was getting a free massage and I was so trigger happy so to speak that during it I came :-D the lady doing it didnt know.

ah fun times
 
wcote said:
Funny story, when you get on opiates I found that if I tried to wank I would cum in a minute....
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i found the exact opposite, in that i could never get there at all, so i stopped even trying for weeks on end, until 'the pressure' so to speak just had to be relieved, i think i might have taken stims to help with that when i felt like that and then yeah it would be all over in a minute, otherwise it would take a very very very long time. :\
 
knock said:
I think PAWS stands for "Perceiving the Actual World Syndrome".
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Indeed!

Congrats MDB, six days in off .1mg, you are there buddy. Good job. I was on suboxone for 2 years, maintaining at 8 mg for the first, then tapering the next year down to .5 mg.....I was on H/methadone/whatever the decade and some preceding such, save for when I was incarcerated...anyways, once I got to .5 mg my monkey brain decided to resume shooting H and meth and coke and gobbling benzos. Mercifully I ran afoul of the law again (nothing as serious as the first time, a few nights in jail as opposed to years) and the run ended. Got on Kratom, worked up to 50g a day over two years.....quit CT back in Oct, horrid.....I'd rather kick H. Kratom at those levels is like kicking opioids and antidepressants...

Made it just shy of 3 months of no 'oids, then the Kratom crept back in for two weeks. Dumb move. 4 days into that kick now......much easier this time, but still no fun. Grabbing the bull by the horns.....just loperamide, going about my daily life, and a mandatory hour in the gym....treadmill and weights. Never been in a fucking gym in my life before! But yikes, it helps like nothing else! No etizolam either, as my 60 mg a day habit has been replaced by a slow diazepam taper, down to 16 mg vallies daily now (jack shit by my standards)

Keep going man. Once you pickle yourself with opioids you can't ever really be a cucumber again. Took me, oh, 20 years to finally *begin* to grasp such.

Cheers.
 
Not necessarily, no.

You just need to monitor your usage very closely from now on. No more binges (definitely no more than three days at a stretch) and keep it to once or twice a month if you can help it.

It can be done!
 
tbh i think i tend to need some 'external control' to stop things getting out of hand, i do have that atm as i need to be clean to be able to board a long haul flight and cope with things without opis once i arrive at the other end. So as long as this situation exists i think i will be able to use in the patterns you described above.

Once this situation is over though, and i wont have any more resposibilities or duties then i dont think i will be able to trust myself tbh, id probably end up like amanitadine taking crazy ammounts of kratom.

I dunno about that Knock, i must have got my opi tolerance lower than its been for ages. Gonna wait at least a month anyway, is the current plan.
 
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