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The Alcohol thread...

It is a very common replacement drug for many addictions, yet this isn't widely reported. Alcohol is one of the most toxic and damaging drugs out of every single licit and illicit drug, yet it's regulated, taxed (heavily) and nobody bats an eye when you go to the pub every afternoon after work or the bottleshop every day. There's no negative stigma attached to alcohol, even when used to excess.

I imagine a world where one can choose their drug of choice not because of its legal status, but because it's a drug that helps them to some degree. If I were able to go to an opium den after work and relax with a smoke after each day, I would be much healthier, happier and would find that old enthusiasm for life I once had. 'Tis a shame I so often live in a fantasy world where such common-sense ideas are dismissed as those of a dirty junkie with nothing to offer to society simply because I prefer a drug that's illegal. Oh well, I cope by drinking copious amounts of alcohol and chain smoking cheap cigarettes. Hey, at least I'm paying my fair share of taxes and I'll be dead before any government has to waste any money on me, at least, well before the new retirement age of 70, which will probably be 100 by the time I'm 70 if conservative governments keep somehow convincing people into voting for them with their blatant lies, misrepresentations of the truth, propaganda and fear campaigns. Win win for conservatives.

Also, to miparaphrase some Mr Manson: "some people don't like weed or the weed doesn't like them"
 
There's no negative stigma attached to alcohol, even when used to excess.
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If someone gets drunk and behaves like an idiot, people either brush it off ("he was just drunk, happens to everyone") or they criticise the behaviour and not the drink.

The first one I don't buy. Alcohol is not a license to change one's behaviour for the worse.

The second one, however, I wish were the case for all substances. Instead, far too often people instantly equate one's illegal drug of choice with a low moral fiber and/or a disturbed state of mind. Try casually mentioning to "average", non-illegal-drug using people that you use heroin watch the reaction.

Co-workers who you've known and hung out with for months or years, upon learning this might never look at you the same way. It's as if you've confessed to murdering someone and never being caught.

I'd like to live to see the day when a person's actions are taken into consideration as priority, and not what they might take. Not sure I'll make it to 130, though.

Note: speaking in the second person here, because I've never actually seen, or used any illegal drugs. <disclaimer end>
 
^ I know that all too well and have lost life long friends because of what they, or their friends/significant others think of me after I opened up to them and told them I am currently on methadone due to abusing heroin in the past. I am usually a man who talks openly and honestly, sometimes brutally honestly. These same friends once liked that, but for some reason if drugs are involved it's not the same. I have learned this is not the best way to approach certain circumstances/people, but teach an old dog new tricks? Does not compute, nor do I want it to. I won't change because others want me to, I will if I want to but fuck changing for someone else. I will be me and fuck those who don't like me because of it. I think honesty is one of the most powerful things a person can provide another person with, of course, restraints are needed in many cases, but if I am candidly speaking to a mate, I don't want them sugar coating shit or plain lying to me for whatever reason they think may be necessary. I afford others the same privilege.

Call me old fashioned, but I judge a person on how they treat me, what I see of their character and their general personality. Not what drug they choose to use or what other people have told me about them or rumours that may be floating around involving them.

Holy shit. I just realised I'm talking to the Devil. Halif, I must go purge myself, I feel that I have sinned.
 
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Fucking LOL!

It took me a bit to catch on there, and I was thinking 'what the fuck is he talking about?! He's lost it!'

(It won't make sense after a few more posts, but for others reading this later my post count was 666 just before opi8s devil comment)

<Note: I am not the devil. Just a friend. We catch up now and then, but I don't know what it's up to these days because I don't use Facebook.>
 
Good thread! couldn't agree more about alcohol - it's a cunt of a thing which I don't really enjoy

I've always wondered, is alcohol legal because the results of people being intoxicated are more predictable than illegal drugs? or is it because people seem to go more bat-shit crazy on illegal drugs - get addicted, overdose, fuck up their life, etc?

my mate has been using h for ~4 years, losing the respect of friends and family along the way. he's has had to move back home with his parents and attend rehab many times. His ex-gf was ok with weed but not tolerant of h at all (even though she knew he used!) so he ended up using behind her back and eventually she found out. she just didn't want to be with a h user, even though he's actually a really good guy and was never judgemental of her occasional meth/mdma use

Only my gf and a few close friends are aware of my drug use.
 
I can relate, alcohol is the one drug I have a problem controlling. I used to use heroin as well but alcoholism runs in my family so for me 1 is too many and 10 is not enough, I am a very placid drunk though and never get aggressive.

Ive managed to cut down from drinking every night to most weeks at least having 4-5 days break. Its hard though and a constant battle, Im just sick of the hang overs
 
5000m said:
I've always wondered, is alcohol legal because the results of people being intoxicated are more predictable than illegal drugs? or is it because people seem to go more bat-shit crazy on illegal drugs - get addicted, overdose, fuck up their life, etc?
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Are you suggesting that alcohol doesn't cause people to go bat-shit crazy, get addicted, overdose, fuck up their lives, etc?

Alcohol is legal because the people demanded it. Having strong roots throughout history helped, but prohibition failed because the people essentially told those who govern them what they wanted. It's the perfect analogy, drug prohibition and alcohol prohibition. Still, here we are with draconian drug laws and career criminals and corrupt cartels/bikie gangs/ (see what I did there?) profiting from bullshit laws.
 
5000m said:
I've always wondered, is alcohol legal because the results of people being intoxicated are more predictable than illegal drugs? or is it because people seem to go more bat-shit crazy on illegal drugs - get addicted, overdose, fuck up their life, etc?
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I'm with opi8 here - actually, I think alcohol is generally far worse than illegal drugs when it comes to addiction rates, overdosing (and other health concerns) and fucking up your life. On hack on triple j the other day I heard that 1 in 8 deaths in Australia are alcohol related - I don't know whether that's accurate, but whatever it is, it's a massive number.

I think one reason alcohol is seen as 'safer', and the thing that helps maintain some casual, social users of alcohol, is the culture surrounding its use. It's been part of society for so long that cultural norms and 'rules' around its use have developed, which help some people to maintain a healthier relationship with it. For example, drinking in the morning is often frowned upon, and wine is matched with dinner as an accompaniment, rather than the alcohol being the main focus. These rules of behaviour are usually completely absent with illegal drugs. If you're doing heroin, in the eyes of society you've already fucked up irredeemably so there's then no incentive in this respect not to use it recklessly. I think just by being illegal, the lack of 'rules' around the use of a substance can actually contribute to them being used in an irresponsible manner. Not to mention, being illegal means that the people who do access them may be more likely to show more risk taking behaviours anyway. Obviously that's not to say that alcohol is always used safely or that illegal drugs are always abused. Just that I think the long history we have with alcohol has helped us develop checks and balances as a society that help some people use it more safely.
 
^Governments seem to be able to make the distinction between alcohol use and abuse , however with other drugs regardless of how they are used it is considered abuse.
Part of the great propaganda campaign and it's made worse by many drug users because they for numerous reasons don't stand up and say " I use drugs and I'm okay"

I think those are two big hurdles to overcome before we see real law reform; getting people to realise alcohol is also drug and that other drugs can also be used in a recreational non harmful way.
 
I drink maybe once every few months. My drink of choice is Tequila, don't care what kind but would prefer something top shelf because I'm worth it lmao. I've always wanted to eat the worm out of a tequila bottle. I understand that it's highly potent, but if I were in a safe environment and I was with good, responsible friends...I'd murk that bitch.
 
^Don't mean to be cunt and doubt what your saying , but... there aren't worms in Tequila.

All Mexican Tequilas and especially top shelf one have stringent production that prohibit impurities such as gusanos.

The worm you're talking about is found in a different drink called Mezcal .
 
oldirtybizza said:
^Don't mean to be cunt and doubt what your saying , but... there aren't worms in Tequila.

All Mexican Tequilas and especially top shelf one have stringent production that prohibit impurities such as gusanos.

The worm you're talking about is found in a different drink called Mezcal .
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Oh not at all! I actually thank you for educating me. I'd rather be wrong than be ignorant lol
 
Yeah, I've never had mezcal, but recall my dad drinking it on some trip we went to and we were all youngins and thought it was pretty weird to have a worm in it. He drank the whole thing himself over a few days I think and ate that worm.

Mezcal (also Mescal or Meskal) is a spirit distilled from mash made out of the steamed hearts of various species of agaves. The word Mezcal comes from the Aztec language, the Nahuatl, and means "cooked agave": Mezcalli from metl = agave, ixcalli = cooked. Historically, Mezcal is the general term for all kinds of agave spirits made in Mexico. Since 1994, however, there is a protected denomination of origin for Mezcal.

Mezcal is not the same as Tequila, and the two should never be confused. Technically, Tequila is a form of Mezcal, more properly known as "Mezcal de Tequila”.

The Mexican state of Oaxaca is the official home of Mezcal and a traditional center for Mezcal making in Mexico, producing 60 percent of the country’s Mezcal. Mezcal is another name for maguey plant. Additionally, Mezcal is the generic name for all spirits distilled from the agave, as well as the name of a regional beverage, similar to Tequila, but made mostly in the state Oaxaca. Mezcal is also native to the states of San Luis Potosi, Michoacan, Jalisco, Durango, Morelos, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, and Zacatecas.

Mezcal is made from the agave plant, often referred to as maguey. Its production, according to most recent evidence, pre-dates the Spanish Conquest. Many of today's facilities use the same age-old technique, although some of the tools of the trade have changed. Clay pots originally used for manufacture and storage have been replaced with copper serpentine for distillation, and oak and glass for aging and transporting.

Most Mezcal is produced in the State of Oaxaca, where it is estimated that there are about 5,000 production facilities. Less than 150 of these are members of the regulated association. Most are tiny mom and pop operations serving a local community and its hinterland. Some produce the spirit for distribution primarily in the City of Oaxaca, and a handful caters to the export market. In all, there is a broad range of quality in terms of smoothness, flavor nuances and smokiness. In fact, the well-entrenched tradition of Oaxacans discerning personal palate-worthiness of different Mezcals manifests itself not through sampling store-bought designer bottles with smart labels, but rather through acquiring multi-liter receptacles from towns and villages in different regions of the state.

There are three major reasons for the diversity of Mezcal. Firstly, as is the case with grape varieties in wine production, there is a range of agave suitable for Mezcal production. Secondly, there are microclimates yielding plants with subtle differences based on for example soil composition and length and quality of growing season, again similar to what we find regarding vineyards. Finally, there is significant variation in the means of production as determined by the Mezcalero, or brewmaster. Each decision is crucial in determining the quality of the finished product, beginning with choosing the precise time when the plant is ready for harvest.
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The Worm
Another interesting error is an urban legend related to a worm. The worm-in-the-bottle myth is old and tired. The truth has been broadcast and expounded for years by the cognoscenti of Tequila, in newspapers, magazines and on the internet. Yes, it’s true, some American-bottled brands put one in their bottle to impress the gringos and boost sales, but it was a marketing ploy developed in the 1940s, not a Mexican tradition.

Sometimes however, there is a worm, properly a butterfly caterpillar, in some types of Mezcal. You may also get a small bag of worm salt and Chile powder tied to a Mezcal bottle. There are two types of worms in Mezcal: the red, gusano rojo - considered superior because it lives in the root and heart of the maguey - and the less-prized white or gold gusano de oro, which lives on the leaves. The red gusano turns pale in the Mezcal, the gold turns ashen-gray. Both larvae are commonly eaten as food and are sold in Zapotec markets.

Yes, you are supposed to eat the worm in Mezcal. Do not worry: it is quite well pickled and free of pesticides (they are often raised just for use in Mezcal, cooked and pickled in alcohol for a year). However, dispel any idea it has any magical or psychotropic properties, that it is an aphrodisiac or the key to an "unseen world." It is merely protein and alcohol, but it is very rich in imagery.
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still one of my top 3 DOC.. and with my current medical problems, its all I can really touch although it is still not helping them (high blood pressure)

need to get ye ol home-brew kit goin again soon.. and tips for keep the temp. around the mid-high teens during summer? I remember cap. brewster mentioning a fridge but that isnt really ideal in my current situation.. busty, how to you keep that shit under control in the hot muggy summers in QLD?
 
Got a basement?

If your keen you could put your fermenter in a bath, recirculate cold water around it to get the temp you want. Use beach towels with the cold water and drape them over the fermenter.
 
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