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HCL

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What did you find most surprising after looking beyond all the exaggerations and lies of anti-drug propaganda?

My most important discovery was learning that, despite what our society teaches us, alcohol is more addictive than some illegal drugs and more physically harmful than most of them. This completely changed my opinion of drug use in general.

I was also surprised that the DEA has allowed some powerful psychoactives like kratom, diphenhydramine, and propylhexedrine to remain legal and uncontrolled.
 
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Yet in reality it has a safety ratio similar to caffeine's.
 
That the shit they cut/add to drugs can be more harmful than the actual drug.

(cuts,adulterants,fillers,binders)
 
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I'm surprised at how easily benzos have been prescribed in recent years. I was thinking about all the women that are now dependent on it that are now at the common child-bearing age, and how many complications can arise for that. I wonder if there's going to be some doctors specializing in that sort of thing now after hearing about or coming across so many women who got pregnant while being physically dependent on benzos.
 
Just in a general sense, HOW relatively harmless weed is compared to almost any other drug talked about in DARE, and especially when compared to alcohol.

Honestly that whole thing about weed being a gateway drug sort of fucked up how I viewed drugs...in elementary to high school, I was always extremely sober and careful to pay attention to what was being said and talked about in class...I think as I grew up and started smoking pot myself I reflected so much on what I had learned in DARE, about weed being a gateway drug, that I then proceeded to dabble in a lot of different harder drugs not JUST to experiment, but, more, to replicate through my own life what I thought was the standard model of drug addiction. I don't think weed is a gateway drug at all, but having all those DARE lessons ingrained in me sure did 'help' me think that I may as well try harder drugs now that I had already gotten used to the perennial 'gateway' drug. It's all pure bullshit honestly...

Also, DARE really emphasized peer pressure back in the 90's...that shit gets so overblown. It's like they wanted to shift the blame of responsibility of doing drugs from you onto other people, even though I don't think the creators of DARE meant it to be that way...but yea, when I first took a puff of weed or a cigarette, I was fully conscious of what the fuck I was doing! It was my decision, not another person's...

And this doesn't really have to do with this topic, but I so clearly remember how in my 5th Grade Science classroom the lady who was teaching DARE to us (some police woman) was passing out candy randomly at the end of the day's discussion and I tried to grab the candy from her hand before she was ready to pass it out to me and she seriously got pretty mad and scolded me in front of everyone, even though I was a REALLY well behaved kid and I never caused problems back then. Sort of left a terrible impression on me of law enforcement...besides, she was just a bitch plain and simple anyway...

...one final thing, as an add-on/edit: It does seem rather patently ridiculous that the DARE program could really ever act like it was attempting to accurately portray the vast array of possible drugs to try and their varied use. I mean, they might have consulted with actual drug users about how they got into drugs...? But I almost completely doubt it. They probably just stuck to Nixon-era propaganda about weed, of course, and relied on their own law enforcement training to talk about drugs. If that was their background in drugs...just seeing drug users as people who not only need but deserve to be locked up...well fuck, no wonder the DARE creators' spectrum on drug use was so fucked/just rendered in black and white. Oh, well...the only problem is that as children it's not like we'd ever be able to have this type of critical thinking on the issue. You basically just have to accept what you're told, which is sort of the sad part about all of this. It's not even subtle brain-washing.
 
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^Good post. I've reflected back on how misinformed and somewhat damaging my schools DARE program was.
The aspect that really pushed me in the wrong direction due to misinformation was the "all drugs are the same" line of thinking.
Coke, crack, dope, PCP are all bunched in with things like mushrooms and marijuana.
From what we were told all of them were addicting and caused lots of physical and mental damage.
Somehow, some way I ended up smoking pot when I was 12. The aftereffects were nil. I wasn't now a bud fiend, I felt fine.
A few months after, I dosed some LSD. Cause maybe DARE was wrong about that, too.
Same deal. Dosed the acid, felt really good, saw shit I couldn't have imagined beforehand. The aftermath was feeling kind of dirty after but that's it.
So, if DARE told me awful things were gonna happen if I smoked pot and my life would be ruined, and it ended up being complete bullshit, why shouldn't I assume the rest of the info is misinfo?
Why not give coke a try? Heroin? I then decided that I was gonna decide for myself what was right and wrong, substance-wise.
That program was really fucked. There should have been different groupings of drugs depending on levels of potential of addiction, potential mental or physical long term damage, etc.
I don't think anything would have kept me from drug addiction but DARE did not help. At all.
Most the former classmates I had in that class are or were at one point dopefiend's. There's gotta be something behind that. Maybe.
 
Most surprising was that meth and cocaine are scheduled "safer" than weed, LSD, shrooms and lots of other psychedelics

Lots of surprises tho, almost everything they said was bullshit
 
One of the most surprising things for me was learning that strong painkillers (opiates/opioids) are the same as heroin.
Society has such a stigmatized view of heroin that even though its the most widely used potent painkiller used in hospitals all over the UK, its still seen as a 'dirty' drug.
Thats probably the most important lesson that ive learned about drugs in general: theres no such thing as a 'bad' or 'evil' drug, just bad or evil uses for those drugs.
 
Jackeh said:
I'm not sure what you mean, do you mean in general or are you likening recreational heroin use to "evil" drug use?
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That is exactly to point im making.lol
when is was growing up i was taught that heroin is an evil drug (by school and aurthorities, my parents are really clued up as my sister had terminal leukemia) and the addicts are dirty dangerous people.
School, police etc taught me that the DRUG and the USER are evil and dirty.
As i got older i learned that my sister was on a diamorphine pump at the end and that lead me to think that if it can ease that kind of suffering, how can it be evil?.
does that clarify things a little? :-)
 
Alcohol is worse than marijuana, LSD, etc etc and is just as bad (if not worse) than say meth and heroin.

Heroin isn't actually that bad overall, being that it does not cause any physical damage to your body (nontoxic).

Only a very small minority of heroin users get addicted; this goes for most drugs as well like meth, marijuana...

In general just that everything 'mother' society tells you about drugs growing up is a just crock of propaganda shit.
 
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Im not sure about the statement that only a small minority of heroin users get addicted.lol
Id would say that the majority of longterm regular users will develop a dependance on it.
Infact, the heroin user who.has control of their habit is probably the minority.
Heroin isnt what the propaganda would have us believe but lets not downplay its addictiveness.
 
I am most surprised now to have found out how dangerous clonodine is to go off of. They are prescribing it to everyone it seems like, for withdrawal off of opiates and benzos plus hypertension (main use) and to help people, including children, sleep. I began taking it when I started to detox off of 195 mgs of methadone, that was almost a year ago, my doctor would not give me my meds in August, including that and my inhalers and I almost died due to rebound hypertension. And being on methadone for almost 7 yrs now, I can say that heroin is easier to kick (and yes, that statement about it not being addictive to everyone is false, it will, like any opiate get you bad once you take it long enough) than methadone but the clonodine withdrawl is the same feeling as opiate withdrawal and it will kill you very quickly. I am getting them from different sources and the fear of running out is real. Trying to get better I have gotten hooked on something else.
 
Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
Everything except for the crystal meth propaganda cause its all true
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lol, pretty much. It fucking shocked me to realize how legitimately true most meth propaganda is.


"with one hit you'll be addicted, stealing from people and lose all the teeth in your mouth while looking out the window for the CIA to come capture you." It's all true, except that the one hit was really more like a half gram shot into your jugular
 
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