Alcohol Vs. Hard Drugs

[dankhead88]

like I said before. That is down regulation of dopamine receptors and it will come back with time and care. The addiction rate for heroin (schedule 1 substance) and methamphetamine (schedule 2 substance) are higher than alcohol, but physically, heavy alcoholics will have the chance to ruin their organs.(if they're not already ruined to begin with) When you mean "way less", did you forget how many alcohol related deaths are here? Did you forget that Alcoholics Anonymous ius everywhere? Have you ever heard of State Dependent Learning? Beer commercials are pretty clever with their advertising too. Let's say alcohol and meth were being used heavily by two individuals for several years. The amount of damages done to them would be almost devastating equally.

In spite of Heroin being a Schedule I substance, as long as proper care, sanitation, hydration, and good diet is taken care of, a person could live the rest of his life as a heroin addict, and no Heroin does not cause "brain damage", unless it's cut or theparaphernalia being used is contaminated.

"after they get drunk that gives them stronger cravings for some more alcohol"

You just pretty much answered your own question right there. That's not a psychological craving? Also when you say that alcohol doesn't have a crash. Is saying that alcohol doesn't give you a hangover. Alcohol runs the same risk as benzodiazepines abuse. Even have the same deadly withdrawal symptoms.

Once again, if you have never had any experience with drugs(or even alcohol for that matter), please do not blatantly speculate and do a bit of research and read some experience reports. Read up on a drug's basic pharmacology,.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I never stated that alcohol wasn't a toxic substance, I was simply stating about how drinking alcohol isn't as carcinogenic as smoking cigarettes is (even if somebody is some heavy drinker).

Oh no? both are very toxic to your body, and alcohol causes liver cirrosis, it fucks up the kidneys, i personally know someone who died from pancreas cancer BECAUSE of alcohol, as well as i know somebody who has Myocardite because of alcohol. He had to undergo a suirgery tat consists of burning out certain places in the heart. Cigarettes can cause mainly cancer of the lungs,the mouth and the throat. Maybe the stomach too but im not sure about that one. THe both are destructive as fuck. If you want to try proving to everybosdy how smart you are and how you know everything, at least do it on a subject you know something about

Also, alcohol should be classified as some medium drug, which is a term that NerdOnDrugs invented. It's most certainly nowhere near as addictive as something such as heroin is, but it still is way too dangerous to be classified as some "soft drug". Alcohol, ecstasy, as well as cocaine are all "medium drugs".

I cant decide if either youre a troll, or youre just simply dumber than a rock. I lost fucking count how manyu times other people here as well as me have adressed the fact that alcohol IS fucking addictive, on the same level opiates and benzos can be.Delirium Tremens does it ring a bell? maybe one day if you see someone close to you in a full delirium state in the fucking hospital youll shut the fuck up and start thinking about what you are saying. YOu just continue to say the opposite, when you never experienced euither one of the addictions and dont know shit about it. common seriously it gets old. ANd btw, some people prefer the euphoria of alcohol to thwe one caused by lets say ice. Again, you are talkuing out of your ass.

Yes, but I would not classify alcohol as a hard drug (it's more of a medium drug if you ask me, it's just way more dangerous than soft drugs such as weed), because it's not as psychologically addictive as something such as heroin is, since alcohol simply just doesn't cause the same amount of damage to somebody's pleasure producing chemicals in their brains. Also, alcohol isn't as euphoric as cocaine and heroin and crystal meth, which makes it way less psychologically addictive.

Also, people don't have a "crash" after they get drunk that gives them stronger cravings for some more alcohol. Which is why alcohol is nowhere near as psychologically addictive or easy to become addicted to, compared to something such as heroin is. However, since it's a very dangerous substance, I wouldn't classify it alongside marijuana as some soft drug. It's just some medium drug if you ask me.

Youre lucky im not a mod because i would ban your ass in less than the time it takes to say it. How many times do we have to fucking repeat that alcohol is on the same level of addiction than H is? Ah how manyu times? Get this in your head, your opinion isnt worth shit because you dont know what your talking about at all.

What's wrong with my "medium drug" classifications system for alcohol?

Everythings wrong about what you fucking say, you have NO clue about what your talking about, and who are tyou lol gtfo of here with your drug classifications system. Its like if i go do a skateboard classificationsd system when i dont know shit about boards. If alcohol wouldve been invented in this time it qwould be illegal and classified as a hard drug. The more i read youre replies the more im astonished at your lack of intelligence.

 

[95Land]

I think Elvin's much like a pimple on a ass. Gotta squeeze it, take the infection out(with knowledge in this case.)
Then it's prolly best to just leave him be. I think/hope he'll go away.

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

I think Elvin's much like a pimple on a ass. Gotta squeeze it, take the infection out(with knowledge in this case.)
Then it's prolly best to just leave him be. I think/hope he'll go away.

I just think he's a naive kid who doesn't really know the older more experienced people he's talking to.

He would have better luck in the Cannabis subforum...

 

[opi8]

I think every day, does that make me a thinkaholic? Even if it is only 1 thought a day..

 

[opi8]

Would you classify ecstasy as a soft drug or as a hard drug?

Anyways, some of the hardest drugs to ever quit are heroin, crystal meth, and cocaine, because those substances destroy the body's pleasure producing chemicals in the brain. The psychological addictions from those sorts of substances is extremely intense, which is even worse than alcohol's psychological addictiveness.

I'm fucking happy when I have heroin in my bloodstream, it hasn't destroyed them. When I can't get it on the other hand, that's when things turn to shit.

The psychological addiction, for me, is knowing when I'm out, I'm going to be fucked. Imagine a world where this was never a problem. If all drugs were legal, there would be no need to be stressed out about not having any, therefore, no fucking problem.

 

[95Land]

That's how I felt. But there's now multiple pages where people are trying to reason with him with knowledge, facts, sources, and it all goes in one ear, out the other.
He's good at it, but IMO I think he's just trolling, agitating.

Regardless, I agree he'd be better suited to cannabis forum. Or maybe Sports and Gaming.

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

That's how I felt. But there's now multiple pages where people are trying to reason with him with knowledge, facts, sources, and it all goes in one ear, out the other.
He's good at it, but IMO I think he's just trolling, agitating.

Regardless, I agree he'd be better suited to cannabis forum. Or maybe Sports and Gaming.

He knows he's getting beat in the arguments, but who ever conceded they were wrong on the internet? Ever? Just in over his head.

To me seems more like a young gamer nerd that's just bored. If he's trolololin, more power to him then, fooled me.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I think Elvin's much like a pimple on a ass. Gotta squeeze it, take the infection out(with knowledge in this case.)
Then it's prolly best to just leave him be. I think/hope he'll go away.

Hhahahaha exactly man i hope he goes aways too

I just think he's a naive kid who doesn't really know the older more experienced people he's talking to.

He would have better luck in the Cannabis subforum...

Maybe he would the only thing hes somewhat right on is ganj lol but even then weedd isnt the wonder no side effects substance people say it is, it can have some negatives consequences if abused IMO.

That's how I felt. But there's now multiple pages where people are trying to reason with him with knowledge, facts, sources, and it all goes in one ear, out the other.
He's good at it, but IMO I think he's just trolling, agitating.

Regardless, I agree he'd be better suited to cannabis forum. Or maybe Sports and Gaming.

Right on man i totally agree lots of different BL'ers prove him wrong, but he will repeat the same bullshit even when everybody tells him it aint like that. Maybe he is trolling but camouflaging it? i dont know

 

[95Land]

He's got us debating him and now what his motives are. So, even if it's not intended he's still a pretty skilled troll. He may just be a kid that's naturally gifted at being infuriating.

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

^ Please no one reply to this.

Still don't think he's a troll. Maybe aspergers , but he's ignoring every instance where his arguments dissolve and just pivoting. People do that, and they'll stick around for the last word. So just ignore. And if he is a troll which I doubt, that's what hurts them the most.. being ignored.

 

[Elven Warriorr]

^ Please no one reply to this.

Still don't think he's a troll. Maybe aspergers , but he's ignoring every instance where his arguments dissolve and just pivoting. People do that, and they'll stick around for the last word. So just ignore. And if he is a troll which I doubt, that's what hurts them the most.. being ignored.

Mr. Scagnattie himself has stated that moderate drinking has a very low addiction potential. I'm not just making this stuff up.

 

[PurpleKush1]

He's got us debating him and now what his motives are. So, even if it's not intended he's still a pretty skilled troll. He may just be a kid that's naturally gifted at being infuriating.

Oh yes he is very gifted at being infuriating!

Mr. Scagnattie has stated that the moderate consumption of alcohol has a very low addiction potential in comparison to harder drugs such as heroin and crystal meth. I'm not just making some stuff up-I'm getting this information about alcohol that's from this site.

And yet you still continue....

^ Please no one reply to this.

Still don't think he's a troll. Maybe aspergers , but he's ignoring every instance where his arguments dissolve and just pivoting. People do that, and they'll stick around for the last word. So just ignore. And if he is a troll which I doubt, that's what hurts them the most.. being ignored.

Exactly man, everytime somebody proves his ass wrong he shuffles around it or says the same argument again.

Mr. Scagnattie himself has stated that moderate drinking has a very low addiction potential. I'm not just making this stuff up.

You just confirmed NerdOnDrugs point. IMO everybody should stop responding and just let this thread die, and ignore it if he makes another thread. No point in arguing with a troll or a fucking wall. I agree NOD, ignoring is the way to go.

 

[weekend addiction]

Bump. Seriously why is Elven Warrior not banned by now?

 

[dankhead88]

I gave Elven Warrior every advice on how to debate without looking like a dumbass and it looks like he didn't listen. He's either naive and have no idea on how the world works or he's a Troll Warrior to stir up anger in Bluelight. Ignores advice given to him and yet he copy pasta his own words without any reputable sources(I've seen him use identical if not the same posts in multiple threads). He's either naive(and that's putting it nicely) or just a troll

 

[Elven Warriorr]

I gave Elven Warrior every advice on how to debate without looking like a dumbass and it looks like he didn't listen. He's either naive and have no idea on how the world works or he's a Troll Warrior to stir up anger in Bluelight. Ignores advice given to him and yet he copy pasta his own words without any reputable sources(I've seen him use identical if not the same posts in multiple threads). He's either naive(and that's putting it nicely) or just a troll

I actually did do some research on how both alcohol and harder drugs affect the human's bodies. I researched the statistics about how many people die of cancer from drinking alcohol per year.

 

[treezy z]

^people die from accidents, withdrawals, cirrosis, other diseases but not typically cancer from alcohol

 

[Elven Warriorr]

^people die from accidents, withdrawals, cirrosis, other diseases but not typically cancer from alcohol

Okay that's true, but some people also die in some car accidents from smoking pot-does these statistics also make cannabis a harder drug?

Somebody only gets cirrhosis if they misuse alcohol and if they drink too much of it-you probably will not develop cirrhosis if you drink a little bit daily in moderation.

 

[dankhead88]

then why are you posting the same identical posts without actually posting reputable source. you compare casual drinkers from drug addicts, rather than comparing hardcore alcoholics with drug addicts. it doesn't make sense. addiction rate is one thing, but damage done from addiction is another. Statistics prove more people die from alcohol related deaths compared to legal or illegal drugs. and about cancer from alcohol, didn't you read the post I made about liver failure? Stop skipping posts, and read them, if they are commenting on your posts and stop posting about "brain damage" if you've never even had the experience of doing drugs or have a laboratory with lab mice. Your lack of credibility and logic is what's making you get so many negative feedbacks. Once again, I think you're a troll. Good day.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I gave Elven Warrior every advice on how to debate without looking like a dumbass and it looks like he didn't listen. He's either naive and have no idea on how the world works or he's a Troll Warrior to stir up anger in Bluelight. Ignores advice given to him and yet he copy pasta his own words without any reputable sources(I've seen him use identical if not the same posts in multiple threads). He's either naive(and that's putting it nicely) or just a troll

He dont listen to shit just repeating the same iold bullshit. Naive is puttting it way too nicely IMO hahaha

Bump. Seriously why is Elven Warrior not banned by now?

LMAO im wondering the same thing man