Psychedelic cults

[justinsayno]

Peace and love and laughing and fucking and eating and doing fun things without any violence involved sounds boring? Wow you need to get a fucking life then boyo. I'm just going to reply this to the rest of your post "..............." .

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you plum

i shall try using different words as you clearly misunderstood or i didnt make my point clearly enough.

peace and love is good.

but it doesnt make for a very good story does it ?
They could make video games about giving soup to the homeless but nobody would play them, remove violence from entertainment and you are not left with much are you ?

and when i say entertainment i mean everything from beowulf to call of duty

 

[Magickduck]

So this thread is about music theory? I thought it was about cults. Hmm....

Is this thread about psychedelics? If so, I love tripping. I prefer tryptamines over phenethylamines but I've had my strongest trips from phenethylamines. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I love discussing psychedelics!

this thread is about the psychedelic culture and different aspects of it i wanted to bring to light. i should have chosen a different word besides cult.

 

[Magickduck]

the only thing about harvesting energy from a crowd is - WHERE'S THE CONSENT? There has to be explicit verbal consent, by asking the crowd...even if the energy is put to good use.

Even so it's your energy...which is being thrown, unwittingly, at someone who is taking it.

That's kinda fucked up no?

to be honest, some of the groups I was talking about, LIKE I SAID IF YOU READ MY POSTS (not yelling at you but fuqheads like MGS!!!), i was not calling these people evil just saying there is some kinda dark shit involved, but it seems their ultimate outcome is good.

anywho, some of these groups i was talking about DO ask for consent. for example during the ritual they will go around and annoint people before asking them to focus their energy on the fire thing but they say if you do not want this place your hands over your head clasped together as if in prayer.

I think this is getting a little offtopic though now don't we all? It's a bit of a shit thread too - like it's great to illuminate dark energy vampires intent on sucking life forces out of people, or conditioning them, but you have no proof other than your subjective way of seeing it, so it doesn't really go much further than a few people agreeing with you.

I hate going to psy trance raves anyways - loads of people off their tits on psychedelics, thinkimg they're "holier than thou" and generally being more snobbish than any other raver, except the ketamine-and-cocaine House crowds.

Plus psy trance is SHIT. The same beats over and over, it's literally only good IF you're on psychedelics. I cannot stand it and I am very open minded with music, extremely so - the atmosphere is good if they done it right (colourful and trippy hangings, sculptures, artists, face painters, yoga etc etc), but the last psy trance rave I went to was under a bridge, not much colour, and just a load of drugged up morons, the vibes were not that cool. Much as I love people, I cannot stand going to raves like that anymore - much too messy and drug fuckery, so I wouldn't be surprised if you had some black magicians producing beats to make you a slave, to suck your energy etc.

Who needs an altar btw? No one.

I do not know what you are talking about, the people I have met at psytrance festivals are some of the most genuine, loving, and intelligent people I have met at any gatherings. And I mean that. Perhaps you are just not understanding the radical self-inclusion aspect? And I dunno, to each his own, but I love psytrance and the music is perfect to dance to, and the way it influences and combines with psychdelics is blissful, its incredible its ultimate sensory overstimulation...

i do not hear them referred to as 'raves' around here inless its an indoor event, mayhaps we are talking about different kinds of events?

and why would one not need an altar? lol

 

[bloodshed344]

What has the bible got to do with this?
I am not promoting fear, I am showing people that there are things that affect us in ways that we do not notice. It is completely your choice if you are afraid of it.
Many things on mainstream media are put there solely to promote fear of something, eg' shark attack documentarys ect and it is completely up to us to recognize these things as propaganda and to not let them affect us.
So when we are being forced into a fearful situation by the flow of the music, we need to retaliate by reflecting pure love.

My post was sarcasm man. You're the one who said you promote fear.

 

[elucidator]

If you care to actually read the thread, you would notice that I was responding to a question that Si Ingwe asked about why the DJs would want to freak people out.

Jesus! Ok, I'm getting where you're coming from here! But I'm still having trouble grasping WHY, what is the ultimate goal in freaking people..?

To promote fear.

 

[bloodshed344]

If you care to actually read the thread, you would notice that I was responding to a question that Si Ingwe asked about why the DJs would want to freak people out.

It was sarcasm again bro. I really can't see why DJ's would want to promote fear, that's not something that artistically motivates someone. The only logical explanation is that they're being paid by affiliates of the Illuminati in order to harm the scene, brah.

 

[Magickduck]

or they are some group of people obsessed with dark emotion and rebelling against christian parents or maybe they actually figured something out and making people face their fears is a good thing sometimes for whatever group happened to be there..? or maybe its not, maybe its wrong? thats the reason i brought this up, i am conflicted and wanted to know what others think

 

[bloodshed344]

or they are some group of people obsessed with dark emotion and rebelling against christian parents or maybe they actually figured something out and making people face their fears is a good thing sometimes for whatever group happened to be there..? or maybe its not, maybe its wrong? thats the reason i brought this up, i am conflicted and wanted to know what others think

No, for real I think it's probably the Illuminati. Not even being sarcastic this time. They have all the reason to want the scene to harm people's minds, because psychedelics can make people aware of the Illuminati.

 

[Magickduck]

if anything psychedelics are a tool of the illumanti.. the REAL illumanti, the IOT

 

[Si Dread]

It was sarcasm again bro. I really can't see why DJ's would want to promote fear, that's not something that artistically motivates someone. The only logical explanation is that they're being paid by affiliates of the Illuminati in order to harm the scene, brah.

I'm the same! I dont get why promoters & DJs would want to promote fear at a Psychedelic party, especially if they expected attendees to return to some future freak-out-fest!

Incidentally, I'm not averse to some pretty dark Goth music & I have been know to imbibe a psychedelic & enjoy some pretty dark music. I'm not sure I'd trust anyone else controlling my trip though, & choose set-&-setting so that it can be changed quickly if necessary.

 

[bloodshed344]

if anything psychedelics are a tool of the illumanti.. the REAL illumanti, the IOT

care to explain this IOT?

Either way I don't think there's any interest at all in a dreadful music experience, and though it may have seemed that way to you when you were tripping balls, it was probably relatively normal to a sober person. That guy you saw manipulating strings and crystals and screaming into a thing was probably the guitar player with a mic.

But, jokes aside, I would like to know what this IOT actually is.

 

[webbykevin]

The IOT = Idiots Opinion Thread

 

[EarthBounded]

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with harm reduction, education, or anything else remotely close to worthy in the study of psychedelic science, it should be closed or moved to drug culture or some other thread, this has been at the top of PD for a week everyone who logs on sees it, it should be moved.

Everyone is talking about music, dark energy, magic, spiritual practice etc... where are the facts here ? Where is any beneficial information in this thread whatsoever its all speculation and completely pointless for PD. Other social discussion forums would be more appropriate

Everytime someone logs into PD This is the first thing they see! How do you think this is effecting those actually trying to learn and practice harm reduction!?

IT MAKES PD LOOK LIKE A JOKE!!!

 

[webbykevin]

Yeh - I think a more social based sub forum would now be more appropriate, this is going nowhere.

 

[DJRolling]

hey sorry guys, I only got like halfway through page 6 but this was the most entertaining hour of my life. just thought i'd post so it's a subscribed thread and I can come back to read this guys ramblings some more.

I agree with the people that brought up the possibility that the OP had a bad experience at a concert and has gotten all this crazy shit into his head. I also agree that this thread is in no way reducing harm, because it's complete nonsense. if, and a huge IF at that, LSD did make you just believe everything you heard someone say, maybe this would be a thing. as it stands, however, people with bad intentions are either NOT trying to subtly manipulate people on LSD, or they are complete idiots. you know why? our government tried that shit for YEARS, and it never worked dude, it never worked. if you wanted to manipulate someone a drug like GHB would be much better, you would get someone to do something, and they would not remember it.

in conclusion, we CHOOSE to take psychedelic drugs, we CHOOSE when and where we take them, and we base our beliefs off of our own personal thoughts and experiences. there is not anyone forcing altered states of mind, or convincing people to be hippies and beggars or whatever your argument was like 7 damned pages ago.

peace&love

EDIT: just saw the posts a few up from this one, can't wait to finish this thread

 

[gremlin moon]

The cult vibe (or what can be perceived as such) in the Dead or Psy community has the practical purpose of preventing infiltration by law enforcement as well as to support the experience and create a body of knowledge (including harm reduction slogans and good campgrounds to stay at). Most cultural groups have customs, behaviors, etc... that signify a person as either being an insider or outsider. A real cult only let's you back out upon threat of banishment -- but not before they have taken all of your financial resources and isolated you.

The Juggalos, now that's a cult. Two Juggalos came to my door last Sunday and made me watch this like 15 times while drinking Faygo.

 

[Magickduck]

hey sorry guys, I only got like halfway through page 6 but this was the most entertaining hour of my life. just thought i'd post so it's a subscribed thread and I can come back to read this guys ramblings some more.

I agree with the people that brought up the possibility that the OP had a bad experience at a concert and has gotten all this crazy shit into his head. I also agree that this thread is in no way reducing harm, because it's complete nonsense. if, and a huge IF at that, LSD did make you just believe everything you heard someone say, maybe this would be a thing. as it stands, however, people with bad intentions are either NOT trying to subtly manipulate people on LSD, or they are complete idiots. you know why? our government tried that shit for YEARS, and it never worked dude, it never worked. if you wanted to manipulate someone a drug like GHB would be much better, you would get someone to do something, and they would not remember it.

in conclusion, we CHOOSE to take psychedelic drugs, we CHOOSE when and where we take them, and we base our beliefs off of our own personal thoughts and experiences. there is not anyone forcing altered states of mind, or convincing people to be hippies and beggars or whatever your argument was like 7 damned pages ago.

peace&love

EDIT: just saw the posts a few up from this one, can't wait to finish this thread

I do not appreciate what I say being called 'this guys ramblings' - where is your respect? And this was not just a bad experiance at a festival, I am speaking of many festivals I have been to and something not just I experiance. This thread is not useless, if anything its been turned into trash by all the people trolling and arguing about it.

LSD -DOES- put you in a hyper-suggestive and vulnerable state, and this is widely accepted. Anybody who has taken real LSD should agree on this - if not they are not looking at the experiance from a removed perspective at all. Go read up on 'Imprinting' with LSD - something that happens without manipulation in a group of people on LSD together.

And if you are seriouslly telling me you CHOOSE the experiance you have on a psychedelic means that you are getting crappy psychedelics. They are entirely made of yes, the persons mind, but also their uncontrolled perception of their enviornment (i.e. set and setting). when they are at a festival they cannot control their set and setting, especially if they cannot drive and aren't allowed to leave the property.

And no shit the government failed, as they had no understanding of the psychedelic headspace. What I am talking about is people who UNDERSTAND the psychedelic headspace and the human mind and thus are purposfully manipulating it. They may not even look at it AS manipulation. And what they are doing may not even be a bad thing, per say. It may be the counter to the TV's brainwash.

The cult vibe (or what can be perceived as such) in the Dead or Psy community has the practical purpose of preventing infiltration by law enforcement as well as to support the experience and create a body of knowledge (including harm reduction slogans and good campgrounds to stay at). Most cultural groups have customs, behaviors, etc... that signify a person as either being an insider or outsider. A real cult only let's you back out upon threat of banishment -- but not before they have taken all of your financial resources and isolated you.

Exactly, thats why I said these "cults" may not nessicarily be a bad thing, but they are radically different from just your average gathering or music festival, and people wander into it starry eyed and vulnerable and are inducted into it. And once again, mayhaps I should not have used the term "cult", thats why I keep putting it in "". These are not "real cults". But I am talking of this shit that I have been talking about on a large scale, and on a smaller scale all the thousands of groups of young adults taking them resolving around one person who has a source for it and thinking that person is their personal savior or shaman.

 

[DJRolling]

I didn't say you choose where your acid trip takes you. I said that you choose the drug, set, and setting. if you are in some weird scary trance concert, it doesn't matter, you took the drugs because you WANTED to, they were not forced on you. LSD does not make you susceptible to the type of things you are talking about. you are more likely to "go with the flow" but if an acid trip breaks down your entire belief system it is because of thoughts YOU had in YOUR head, not some freak with crystals.
take responsibility for whatever damage you caused yourself through the irresponsible use of LSD. that, and gain some more faith in humanity. as someone who claims to be part of the psychedelic community you really refuse to believe anyone thinks for themselves. according to you we are just being molded by the television and these mysterious people on fests.

also, your comments throughout this whole thread have been painfully vague. "certain people" "bad things" "intentions". do you understand how it is hard for anyone to take you seriously when all you are talking about is an idea YOU have in YOUR head, not real things. the only real example you have given us is a speaker with crystals tied to it and a candle, and (again) vague mentions of alters and blood.

I also don't agree that LSD is "widely accepted" to make you vulnerable to suggestion. show me the science man. LSD does nothing of the sort unless that's the type of person you already are, or are meant to be.
I mean no disrespect, I respect your opinion, I don't respect you for stating it as FACT.

and yes, I think the thread would have gone better if you didn't use "cult" in the OP.

 

[Magickduck]

freaks with crystals (while i believe it contributes) aside, manipulation through subliminal messanging in the music mixed with the intention from the ritual is a powerful modification to the psychedelic experiance... and yeah I mean, yes its your choice to take the drugs, but many people take psychedelics at music festivals, i had no idea what was going to happen that night, I had been to psytrance festivals before, so that was what I was expecting, but that one was different.

and at the other ones, while thye havnt been negative and I have learned, they have definitly rearranged some things in my mind through manipulation of my set and settings..

I already told you, look into something people call 'imprinting' with LSD. It most certainly makes you vulnerable to suggestion from someone who understands the psychedelic headspace. this normally happens unconsciousnly in groups sharing an experiance, 'imprinting' upon one another their ideas, ideals, even the way they talk.

And yeah, it may be hard for people who have not been to these things or had these experiances to understand, but there have been multiple people who have seen this and agree with me...

Or, you know, come out to one of these events and eat some L.... without trying to analyze it as I have, the better ones that are of the light is a very amazing experiance. mass telepathy is a powerful experiance.

 

[justinsayno]

I didn't say you choose where your acid trip takes you. I said that you choose the drug, set, and setting. if you are in some weird scary trance concert, it doesn't matter, you took the drugs because you WANTED to, they were not forced on you. LSD does not make you susceptible to the type of things you are talking about. you are more likely to "go with the flow" but if an acid trip breaks down your entire belief system it is because of thoughts YOU had in YOUR head, not some freak with crystals.
take responsibility for whatever damage you caused yourself through the irresponsible use of LSD. that, and gain some more faith in humanity. as someone who claims to be part of the psychedelic community you really refuse to believe anyone thinks for themselves. according to you we are just being molded by the television and these mysterious people on fests.

also, your comments throughout this whole thread have been painfully vague. "certain people" "bad things" "intentions". do you understand how it is hard for anyone to take you seriously when all you are talking about is an idea YOU have in YOUR head, not real things. the only real example you have given us is a speaker with crystals tied to it and a candle, and (again) vague mentions of alters and blood.

I also don't agree that LSD is "widely accepted" to make you vulnerable to suggestion. show me the science man. LSD does nothing of the sort unless that's the type of person you already are, or are meant to be.
I mean no disrespect, I respect your opinion, I don't respect you for stating it as FACT.

and yes, I think the thread would have gone better if you didn't use "cult" in the OP.

well said that man