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Psychedelic cults

i found it interesting to find this in DPT's synopsis on erowid

"DPT is a relatively uncommon psychedelic tryptamine with effects somewhat similar to those of N,N-DMT. It is best known for having been used as a sacrament by the Temple of the True Inner Light."

and

"The Temple of the True Inner Light is a temple in Manhattan which believes entheogens such as dipropyltryptamine, 2C-B, marijuana, LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, DMT and others to be the true flesh of God, and that all religions are based upon the psychedelic experience. Their Eucharist is dipropyltryptamine."

im really interested to try it now but its pretty expensive dose-wise

also 'The Temple of the True Inner Light' sound like a cult i could really get down and party with
 
^^ Most definitely.
Si Ingwe said:
I think, if anything, this is about set-&-setting, isn't it? I mean, I have without question attended events that have a darker nature than the average shiny, smiley rave up, but I wouldnt expose myself to that atmosphere tripping unless I was certain of my ability to handle it or had a fool-proof escape plan.

I guess if there's the vaguest chance of getting trapped in a Dark Psy tent, I'd be very fucking wary about taking a psychedelic drug that day!

For the purposes of HR, I'd advise that anyone taking a psychedelic drug should be as close as possible to 100% certain that they can handle whatever is coming, or secure your home envirmonent in advance & ignore all phonecalls & door knocks! Tripping in unpredictable or downright aggressive or offensive envirmonents should be discouraged for all but the hardiest of psychonauts! & even then, you could be in for a rough ride!
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The first ever rave I went to I was sober and didn't know what to expect, and I was still very shaken by the amount of darkness that I saw. There was some freak outs and approximately 20% of the crowd looked very scared but kept dancing. Maybe 3% of the crowd looked like they were loving how scared some people were getting and feeding off of it.
Definitely not the place for an inexperienced tripper.
Seeing all this sparked off a long tangent of researching how psy music affect people, and is still going today.
 
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I think that was probably meant to lighten the mood in here a bit!

The media would have a field day with this!

"Youths brainwashed into violent crime/coup-de-tat after 3 day rave in Norfolk field!".

Also meant to lighten the mood! Pretty crap but I try 8)
 
What is a cult? #1 What does the word cult commonly imply? #2 What is the usual form of psychedelic "cults"? #1

Noun
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. 1
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. 2

Seriously if you don't know what a fucking cult is go play Daggerfall.

Si Ingwe said:
Also meant to lighten the mood! Pretty crap but I try 8)
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Off with ya. and go play Daggerfall ye lowly pondscum.
 
Si Ingwe said:
I think, if anything, this is about set-&-setting, isn't it? I mean, I have without question attended events that have a darker nature than the average shiny, smiley rave up, but I wouldnt expose myself to that atmosphere tripping unless I was certain of my ability to handle it or had a fool-proof escape plan.

I guess if there's the vaguest chance of getting trapped in a Dark Psy tent, I'd be very fucking wary about taking a psychedelic drug that day!

For the purposes of HR, I'd advise that anyone taking a psychedelic drug should be as close as possible to 100% certain that they can handle whatever is coming, or secure your home envirmonent in advance & ignore all phonecalls & door knocks! Tripping in unpredictable or downright aggressive or offensive envirmonents should be discouraged for all but the hardiest of psychonauts! & even then, you could be in for a rough ride!
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this is exactly what I am saying....there are groups of people who take advantage of manipulating set and setting very specifically to induce certain types of experiances upon people...small groups and larger ones, that are not even nessicarily related to each other.

And yeah thats what i was saying this terrible one i experianced it was like "come sing and dance in the first song of creation with us" then i got there and it was not a darkpsy tent but anywhere you went on the grounds of the festivals was loud as shit had a great sound system....i started tripping before all the darkpsy started..
 
Magickduck said:
this is exactly what I am saying....there are groups of people who take advantage of manipulating set and setting very specifically to induce certain types of experiances upon people...small groups and larger ones, that are not even nessicarily related to each other.

And yeah thats what i was saying this terrible one i experianced it was like "come sing and dance in the first song of creation with us" then i got there and it was not a darkpsy tent but anywhere you went on the grounds of the festivals was loud as shit had a great sound system....i started tripping before all the darkpsy started..
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Jesus! Ok, I'm getting where you're coming from here! But I'm still having trouble grasping WHY, what is the ultimate goal in freaking people..?
 
Si Ingwe said:
Jesus! Ok, I'm getting where you're coming from here! But I'm still having trouble grasping WHY, what is the ultimate goal in freaking people..?
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Well, initially I thought it was just some fucked up people trying to induce schizophrenia. And as the other poster way up in this thread "agent 1" said who claims to have practiced black magick the most successful he has seen consisted of convincing the victim that they were under attack by demons in a specific way then let them destory themselves and that is exactly what happened at Genesis.


after some time thinking about it, and assuming that these people are not just straight up evil, I believe it to be something along the lines of forcing people to face their fears, to overcome their demons, to stregenthen them and test them. A forced growth so to speak.
 
Whoa whoa whoa I never said I ever practiced black magick. I said that in my personal experience the black magick that works is the black magick that convinces the target there is black magick afoot, and if the target believes it is, it doesn't matter whether there actually is or not.

So in other words, projecting your own power to harm yourself onto strangers, assuming that said strangers have a particular agenda and a high level of sophistication in accomplishing it, and then blaming them for whatever knots you tie yourself in obsessing over it is not a form of spiritual defense.
 
Also, I don't think anyone here is claiming that exposure to more than a half hour or so of darkpsy or psytrance in general isn't guaranteed to cause a dull throbbing three-day headache but think that's a physiological effect rather than a magical one.

I also wonder if the writer and crew behind a horror movie about demons and black magic should be considered accountable if someone watches it on LSD and thinks it's real.

And I guess that eventually distills down to your classic "WHAT IS ART EXPRESSING IN THE FIRST PLACE" kind of discussion.
 
Si Ingwe said:
Interesting. I play pretty hard, fast NRG & hardhouse, trance, techno, that's deliberately repetitive & driving but without being dark. So I guess I'm asking why does the Dark Psy scene exist & why do promoters & DJ's feel the need to brainwash ravers with it? Is there some obvious societal or political goal?
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Back in my day, it was said that fans of darker styles (eg junglists) were often jaded candy ravers. %)

The reason dark psy exists is because the composers like the music. I assume most music is made when *not* tripping and I assume that most composers are making music -- especially in more obscure genres -- largely because they like it. In part, it is an exploration of the darker side, but it is often done with explicit artistic purpose.

I agree that darker / horror styles of music are not necessarily very trip friendly in heavy doses (to the idiot a long time ago that thought Insane Clown Posse was great tripping music -- fuck you :p ). I've done low doses of 5-MEO-DIPT at a Funker Vogt show and enjoyed it, so what do I know? But at high doses, though, harshness could be off-putting.

I don't agree with the conspiracy theories / brainwashing / energy discussions, though, it sounds... er... cultish. As if one expects all DJs to trip balls and play happy music because everyone else at a show is going to be tripping balls. I don't think it always works that way. Everyone into metal / punk / goth-industrial / drum-and-bass / dubstep / (insert harsher genre here) is somehow conspiring or something? (I actually know people who trip balls at Slayer shows... and *like it.*) The real world is not a very shiny happy place, and the sooner one realizes this, the sooner one realizes why darker forms of music exist (and always have).
 
Again, I thought something similar. Perhaps it's bracing young people for the fact that one day maybe you WILL have to handle some awful incident & this adrenaline fight-or-flight rush you're feeling now coz of our music will be very useful when that time comes.

I'd still rather find out how ready for bad shit I am when bad shit just comes along, rater than having bad shit rammed down my throat at a PARTY! Lol

Magickduck said:
after some time thinking about it, and assuming that these people are not just straight up evil, I believe it to be something along the lines of forcing people to face their fears, to overcome their demons, to stregenthen them and test them. A forced growth so to speak.
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I like this way of seeing it because it's healthier for you but the same thing crossed my mind too. Forced ego loss, so to speak.

Notheless, I'm not sure having a buncha stoner pill head promoters & DJs screwing about with peoples minds is a good idea at all!
 
Magickduck said:
after some time thinking about it, and assuming that these people are not just straight up evil, I believe it to be something along the lines of forcing people to face their fears, to overcome their demons, to stregenthen them and test them. A forced growth so to speak.
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Then one must ask the question, are these DJs forcing the listeners to work through their "own" fears/demons/insecurities, or are they projecting "external" fears/demons/insecurities onto the listeners.
I think this because whenever listening to psytrance and I come across a twisted bit, I think about whatever is being conveyed in the sound. The only times I really work through my own fears is in complete silence, as most music is too distracting.
 
elucidator said:
Then one must ask the question, are these DJs forcing the listeners to work through their "own" fears/demons/insecurities, or are they projecting "external" fears/demons/insecurities onto the listeners.
I think this because whenever listening to psytrance and I come across a twisted bit, I think about whatever is being conveyed in the sound. The only times I really work through my own fears is in complete silence, as most music is too distracting.
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So this thread is about music theory? I thought it was about cults. Hmm....

Is this thread about psychedelics? If so, I love tripping. I prefer tryptamines over phenethylamines but I've had my strongest trips from phenethylamines. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I love discussing psychedelics!
 
Si Ingwe said:
I think that was probably meant to lighten the mood in here a bit!

The media would have a field day with this!

"Youths brainwashed into violent crime/coup-de-tat after 3 day rave in Norfolk field!".

Also meant to lighten the mood! Pretty crap but I try 8)
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LAWL - don't post this...any old excuse for the establishment! We will NOT being seeing new rave laws haha -
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seriously take it down!
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(or at least NSFW it bwahaha)


elucidator said:
Does your darts team have practices regarded by others as strange and sinister, or try to influence others using malicious intent?
If not, then no, your darts team is not a cult.
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Magickduck said:
that psychedelics tend to create small little 'cults' this is a bad choice of word due to the stigma, i dont mean this in nessicarily a negative way, though i have seen it used negativily on a larger scale
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due to the ignorant stigma attached to a word that is not necessarily a bad thing. There is nothing inherently wrong with a cult. as Bloodshed shows.
justinsayno said:
sigh....

yes of course music affects us...thats why we listen to it....any sinister motives are all in your head, even bands that like satanic imagery...its just a look and style that holds a genre together.

another sigh

and who exactly is 'engineering' games to make people join the army ?
maybe you are that easily lead but not everyone is.
I know many pacifists, laid back and gentle people that enjoy shooting things in the face over and over again. They are after all just games.
Games have just moved with the times, when young boys play cow boys and indians in the play ground who is engineering that ?

Please tell me exactly when entertainment became engineered shakespeare was violent, greek mythology was violent, when was the golden age when people sat around sharing stories about peace and love ? Im so glad i missed as it sounds fucking boring.
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"easily lead" - bwahahaha funny...

Peace and love and laughing and fucking and eating and doing fun things without any violence involved sounds boring? Wow you need to get a fucking life then boyo. <3 I'm just going to reply this to the rest of your post "..............." .

the only thing about harvesting energy from a crowd is - WHERE'S THE CONSENT? There has to be explicit verbal consent, by asking the crowd...even if the energy is put to good use.

Even so it's your energy...which is being thrown, unwittingly, at someone who is taking it.

That's kinda fucked up no?

Magickduck said:
alot of you people are ignorant that there are infinite possibilities of anything going on at any given moment than meets the eye and therefore should be taking psychedelics. though I don't think nessicarily clicking your heels and saluting someone or pushing your energy towards them even intentionally pushing your energy towards them i think thats just your moment to moment energy so your literally only loosing a second of energy or however long you pump your fist...

unless there are people intentionally harvesting this energy for their own purpose and agenda... which I think is going on at some of these psytrance festivals...harvesting the energy of the dance floor but hopefully this is NORMALLY used towards good goals.. I mean I have even seen rituals in which we were suppose to imagine all the negative energy in our life, all the bad shit, all the hatred, anger, frustration, negativity, and imagine it all converging in the center on this flame from a candle and imagine this bright giant blue fire growing bigger and bigger the more we feed it...

I think that ritual was honestly a good thing and it was a transmutation of all this negative energy into the opposite - love and light in which that energy was used to heal and do good things... or at least thats what they said...
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I think this is getting a little offtopic though now don't we all? It's a bit of a shit thread too - like it's great to illuminate dark energy vampires intent on sucking life forces out of people, or conditioning them, but you have no proof other than your subjective way of seeing it, so it doesn't really go much further than a few people agreeing with you.

I hate going to psy trance raves anyways - loads of people off their tits on psychedelics, thinkimg they're "holier than thou" and generally being more snobbish than any other raver, except the ketamine-and-cocaine House crowds.

Plus psy trance is SHIT. The same beats over and over, it's literally only good IF you're on psychedelics. I cannot stand it and I am very open minded with music, extremely so - the atmosphere is good if they done it right (colourful and trippy hangings, sculptures, artists, face painters, yoga etc etc), but the last psy trance rave I went to was under a bridge, not much colour, and just a load of drugged up morons, the vibes were not that cool. Much as I love people, I cannot stand going to raves like that anymore - much too messy and drug fuckery, so I wouldn't be surprised if you had some black magicians producing beats to make you a slave, to suck your energy etc.

Who needs an altar btw? No one.
 
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bloodshed344 said:
You know that's a terrible reason. I honestly can't for the life of me see why you would want to promote fear. This is why your argument fails, because you are promoting fear. You need to read the Bible, boy.
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What has the bible got to do with this?
I am not promoting fear, I am showing people that there are things that affect us in ways that we do not notice. It is completely your choice if you are afraid of it.
Many things on mainstream media are put there solely to promote fear of something, eg' shark attack documentarys ect and it is completely up to us to recognize these things as propaganda and to not let them affect us.
So when we are being forced into a fearful situation by the flow of the music, we need to retaliate by reflecting pure love.
 
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