Psychedelic cults

[EarthBounded]

also i am telling you i know you'll never believe me but i have no belief interest or understanding of the occult or magic and it was revealed to me in my reality different ways of energy manipulation that i just suddenly understood when i was trying to be cool to myself and be a "shaman"...

So this entire 125+ post thread is based on the fact you had thoughts come to you via energy manipulation? You totally should have titled this thread something different and did some research first.

Again I am not trying to be rude, I wont be rude to you in the future, it is just this thread that is bothersome.

Side note it is sad and hilarious that people feel like they are Shaman's while consuming and distributing Mephedrone, 2Cs and Nbomne. You were obviously not getting the message. Sorry to be blunt and rude still but quit opening yourself up to debate.

You seem to be setting a fake plot and making things up so people believe you.

I have seen these same groups of people that try to manipulate others at all large events, Fairs, sporting events, downtown las vegas etc...

The fact that you are saying they feed on psychedelic users is absurd they feed on the entire population. Everyone is vulnerable, in fact I would guess those who do not use Psychedelics may even be more vulnerable. These groups hang around large events because they can weave through as many people as possible preaching there crap.

You said it yourself everyone is given ultimate control of there own reality, thats why not everyone is jumping on the twelve tribe bus.

 

[Magickduck]

So this entire 125+ post thread is based on the fact you had thoughts come to you via energy manipulation? You totally should have titled this thread something different and did some research first.

Again I am not trying to be rude, I wont be rude to you in the future, it is just this thread that is bothersome.

Side note it is sad and hilarious that people feel like they are Shaman's while consuming and distributing Mephedrone, 2Cs and Nbomne. You were obviously not getting the message. Sorry to be blunt and rude still but quit opening yourself up to debate.

You seem to be setting a fake plot and making things up so people believe you.

I have seen these same groups of people that try to manipulate others at all large events, Fairs, sporting events, downtown las vegas etc...

The fact that you are saying they feed on psychedelic users is absurd they feed on the entire population. Everyone is vulnerable, in fact I would guess those who do not use Psychedelics may even be more vulnerable. These groups hang around large events because they can weave through as many people as possible preaching there crap.

You said it yourself everyone is given ultimate control of there own reality, thats why not everyone is jumping on the twelve tribe bus.

You are quite judgemental. I was never distributing anything, and my consumption of 2c's and mephedrone was way before my interaction with cactus which I was referring to.

I made up nothing fake or anything to try to get people to believe me, I have no alterior motive.

And no, this was discussion of these types of people specific in the psychedelic culture where people are more vulnerable.


I do not get how you can be so sure about this if you have never been to these events I speak of

 

[webbykevin]

So what if people with an alternative lifestyle want to share that possibility with others ?, What about the advertising that goes on on mainstream media, we have banks telling us they love us and fake doctors inventing mental illnesses to sell legal addictive psych drugs to children, we have the western governments led by the USA (the charles manson of the united nations) inventing malicious lies and spin about foreign countries so they can cluster bomb schools and hospitals, squander the nations wealth on illegal wars and military contracts that serve halliburton and the like, we have private prison firms lobbying the gov for more laws, we have monsanto, BP, CSG fracking, the list of causes is endless.

So why zero in on the alternative lifestyle folks and attack them ? why not pick a cause out of the above list and put your energy into that ?

I'm in my late 40's, I have been connected with the alternative lifestyle movement since the 1980's and have lived with groups of new age travelers in Europe, hippy communities in rural Australia, burners in the USA and bohemians and artists in many cities all over the world. and I can honestly say that in my experience the danger posed by these people, even the freakiest of them, is minuscule compared to the rape and pillage being inflicted on the world and its people by capitalist agendas.

I think perhaps you skimmed around the edges of the alternative scene and for whatever reason didn't fit in, were not made to feel welcome or didn't get laid or just didn't get it, perhaps were a bit over opinionated or pushy and people rejected you.
This has led to jealousy and resent that has now turned into deluded, personal attacks on a scene that you desperately wanted to be a part of but failed.

Pick another cause and move on.

 

[Magickduck]

So what if people with an alternative lifestyle want to share that possibility with others ?, What about the advertising that goes on on mainstream media, we have banks telling us they love us and fake doctors inventing mental illnesses to sell legal addictive psych drugs to children, we have the western governments led by the USA (the charles manson of the united nations) inventing malicious lies and spin about foreign countries so they can cluster bomb schools and hospitals, squander the nations wealth on illegal wars and military contracts that serve halliburton and the like, we have private prison firms lobbying the gov for more laws, we have monsanto, BP, CSG fracking, the list of causes is endless.

So why zero in on the alternative lifestyle folks and attack them ? why not pick a cause out of the above list and put your energy into that ?

I'm in my late 40's, I have been connected with the alternative lifestyle movement since the 1980's and have lived with groups of new age travelers in Europe, hippy communities in rural Australia, burners in the USA and bohemians and artists in many cities all over the world. and I can honestly say that in my experience the danger posed by these people, even the freakiest of them, is minuscule compared to the rape and pillage being inflicted on the world and its people by capitalist agendas.

I think perhaps you skimmed around the edges of the alternative scene and for whatever reason didn't fit in, were not made to feel welcome or didn't get laid or just didn't get it, perhaps were a bit over opinionated or pushy and people rejected you.
This has led to jealousy and resent that has now turned into deluded, personal attacks on a scene that you desperately wanted to be a part of but failed.

Pick another cause and move on.

Maybe actually READ my OP or some of my other posts. I have this problem with many of you. I specifically mentioned if those evil people are doing this through the TV etc, maybe the opposing side should have an equally as powerful brainwashing (unbrainwashing) technique, and thus its a good thing. I think the word "cult" is so negativly charged in some peoples minds and they are so personally identify with psychedelics that it changes their whole perception of what I was trying to say.

also if you were to read more about what I said, I love the psychedelic culture, and I have found a home within it. These people I see at festivals are my family, and I love them. I was raised in this culture - literally grew up at festivals.

I completely agree with you as far as these evil fuq's in control go, and either we need a revolution, or on a small scale need to (at least this is my plan) establishing small self sustained communities outside of all that wage slavery and consumerist culture.

But that doesn't mean I am going to ignore intentionally dark things I see being done by people that are supposably "on my side". I think many of you have just not run in to this so think I am attacking the psychedelic/counter-culture movement as a whole - I AM NOT.

Also I have to question the way some of you here on the bluelight psychedelic forum are acting... no one I know within the psychedelic community has any time for these ego-games or insults or assumptions and just generally crude things to say. BTW, I do not think ANYONE could "desperatly want to be part of the psychedelic scene" as if they could be turned away (i mean assuming they are not theives, malevolent, or destructive) - it is one of the most accepting and loving groups of people I think exist in this modern day world, and that is what makes it special, the freedom of expression...etc..

 

[elucidator]

Well said, Magickduck. +1 to the last paragraph.

Have you read the whole thread or are just jumping in now, I have been replying since the beginning with alot less rude of an attitude, but this guy just wont stop talking about pointless, negative shit. I kept my cool until now so why dont you go read the entire thread then come back thanks

Yes, I have read the entire thread, and I do not think you are being respectful of our observations. I have used BL for researching drugs and drug culture for more than 9 years now and I understand that not everyone shares the same views. I get that lots of people are thoroughly involved in the psy party scene so will be less than enthusiastic when someone says there is nearly as much subliminal messaging as there is in mainstream media.

I think that hearing the sounds of domestic violence (screaming/crying) or battlefields (guns/bombs) whist tripping hard + in trance state is incredibly negative and borders on psychotic that people include this in their music.
Whenever I hear this from my music collection I delete it, and I have stopped listening to an album for the first time while tripping, for I have lost count of the amount of times I've thought wtf did I just hear.
Not a pleasant thing while on dmt to hear soggy thuds and whimpers.
So now I am a lot more careful as to how I set up a playlist for the night.

I completely agree with you as far as these evil fuq's in control go, and either we need a revolution, or on a small scale need to (at least this is my plan) establishing small self sustained communities outside of all that wage slavery and consumerist culture.
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My thoughts exactly, but how can we start a psychedelic revolution?



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[Magickduck]

Well said, Magickduck. +1 to the last paragraph.



Yes, I have read the entire thread, and I do not think you are being respectful of our observations. I have used BL for researching drugs and drug culture for more than 9 years now and I understand that not everyone shares the same views. I get that lots of people are thoroughly involved in the psy party scene so will be less than enthusiastic when someone says there is nearly as much subliminal messaging as there is in mainstream media.

I think that hearing the sounds of domestic violence (screaming/crying) or battlefields (guns/bombs) whist tripping hard + in trance state is incredibly negative and borders on psychotic that people include this in their music.
Whenever I hear this from my music collection I delete it, and I have stopped listening to an album for the first time while tripping, for I have lost count of the amount of times I've thought wtf did I just hear.
Not a pleasant thing while on dmt to hear soggy thuds and whimpers.
So now I am a lot more careful as to how I set up a playlist for the night.



My thoughts exactly, but how can we start a psychedelic revolution?



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Yeah, now imagine that LIVE at a festival you thought was going to be like any other, and you can't get away and they won't let you leave the area where the music overwhelms everything (and you can't drive) so there is no way to get away from it. Not just the sounds of violence, but also fear frequencies, a ritual to open a portal and what kind of spirits are screaming sounds and fear frequencies and intent to make people go crazy going to attract?
you know, end up at the festival, start trippin during the day as nightfall hits utter maddness destruction terror and chaos. and at a festival advertised as 'come sing and dance in the first song of creation with us'.

Also, I am pretty thourougly involved in the Psy scene myself, and the people I meet there are some of the most genuine, real, and intelligent (mentally and spiritually) that I have ever met - including most of the organizers. But then there are those dark fuckers that hide in the corner.




As per psychedelic revolution... that may be exactly what these guys are trying to do with their rituals and music. I just don't get why the evil shit?

 

[elucidator]

Yeah, now imagine that LIVE at a festival you thought was going to be like any other, and you can't get away and they won't let you leave the area where the music overwhelms everything (and you can't drive) so there is no way to get away from it. Not just the sounds of violence, but also fear frequencies, a ritual to open a portal and what kind of spirits are screaming sounds and fear frequencies and intent to make people go crazy going to attract?
you know, end up at the festival, start trippin during the day as nightfall hits utter maddness destruction terror and chaos. and at a festival advertised as 'come sing and dance in the first song of creation with us'.

Also, I am pretty thourougly involved in the Psy scene myself, and the people I meet there are some of the most genuine, real, and intelligent (mentally and spiritually) that I have ever met - including most of the organizers. But then there are those dark fuckers that hide in the corner.




As per psychedelic revolution... that may be exactly what these guys are trying to do with their rituals and music. I just don't get why the evil shit?

That sounds fucked up, what with the portal and the fear frequencies and whatnot. I advise everyone I know not to trip if their not completely comfortable with their surroundings and that sounds like one of the most uncomfortable situations I can think of.
What happened to the PLUR raves of the 90s?
Sounds like some parties nowadays are in desperate need of some PLUR.

Makes me feel sick that people are subjecting trippers to these negative sequenced atmospheres and makes me feel even sicker when the trippers aren't doing anything to avoid this imposed darkness.

Sorry to say, but psy music dosnt even need to sound dark to have negative subliminal messaging through it. I only realized this after years of trawling through many many gigabytes worth of psy music.

 

[Si Dread]

I think that hearing the sounds of domestic violence (screaming/crying) or battlefields (guns/bombs) whist tripping hard + in trance state is incredibly negative and borders on psychotic that people include this in their music.
Whenever I hear this from my music collection I delete it, and I have stopped listening to an album for the first time while tripping, for I have lost count of the amount of times I've thought wtf did I just hear.
Not a pleasant thing while on dmt to hear soggy thuds and whimpers.
So now I am a lot more careful as to how I set up a playlist for the night.

As a producer & fellow DJ I find this discussion & your comment above facinating. I've been to hard acid techno nights that did absolutely nothing for me musically, because of the oppressive, repetitive, soul-less nature of the music rather than any overt agression or dangerous, violent samples or whatever. But I've not been through such an experience tripping.

Does Magickduck believe that some DJ's or promoters are deliberately exposing their audiences to aggressive music & music with dark, frightening samples, while they are on psychedelic drugs in order to brainwash them? ...& if so, why?

 

[elucidator]

Yes, some DJs and promotors are deliberately tailoring the atmosphere of some parties to include darkness, chaos, mayhem and general negative themes. There is an entire genre of psytrance dedicated to this, called darkpsy. Though most modern psytrance is not relatively cheery, compared to old skool trance it is mechanical and dull. Sure, there is a small sub genre called "uplifting" psytrance but I much prefer goa psytrance and classic trance.

Who knows as to why, but I have a feeling it has something to do with our pineal gland and mixing up the awake states with the asleep states.

 

[Si Dread]

Interesting. I play pretty hard, fast NRG & hardhouse, trance, techno, that's deliberately repetitive & driving but without being dark. So I guess I'm asking why does the Dark Psy scene exist & why do promoters & DJ's feel the need to brainwash ravers with it? Is there some obvious societal or political goal?

 

[justinsayno]

re; the video games and the heavy metal - you're wrong. Heavy metal is the music of the beast, predominantly...

Video games? Well, yeah no you're probably right, video games aren't at all engineered so you think it's a great idea to kill people, so you join the army or anything like that... definitely not 8) Just look at games like CoD. Point in case.

PS "ladyscraper?" LULZ...dude of COURSE music affects people's psyches - through their emotions (most of the population of the world are empaths), and also through their brainwaves (certain frequencies).

sigh....

yes of course music affects us...thats why we listen to it....any sinister motives are all in your head, even bands that like satanic imagery...its just a look and style that holds a genre together.

another sigh

and who exactly is 'engineering' games to make people join the army ?
maybe you are that easily lead but not everyone is.
I know many pacifists, laid back and gentle people that enjoy shooting things in the face over and over again. They are after all just games.
Games have just moved with the times, when young boys play cow boys and indians in the play ground who is engineering that ?

Please tell me exactly when entertainment became engineered shakespeare was violent, greek mythology was violent, when was the golden age when people sat around sharing stories about peace and love ? Im so glad i missed as it sounds fucking boring.

 

[TangerinO]

Bullshit....it happens all the time without the aid of drugs.

^ YEP!

At this point in the conversation I'm going to point out that one of, if not the biggest cult on the planet at the moment Scientology, are by definition against the use of drugs, so there's that argument sorted.

 

[Magickduck]

yes that doesnt change the fact that it also happens with drugs as an aide..

 

[webbykevin]

So what actually is your point ?

 

[Magickduck]

that psychedelics tend to create small little 'cults' this is a bad choice of word due to the stigma, i dont mean this in nessicarily a negative way, though i have seen it used negativily on a larger scale

 

[webbykevin]

I was on a darts team years ago, we were a small group of people that got together regularly to practice and play pub darts in a local competition, were we a cult ?, there seemed to be many other small groups of people that were also into darts and they used to get together regularly, were they cults too ?

Or is it just that people who share the same interest in something be it psychedelics or stamp collecting tend to get together in small groups ?

I don't think it's a psychedelic drug thing, just natural human social grouping based on similar interests.

 

[elucidator]

Does your darts team have practices regarded by others as strange and sinister, or try to influence others using malicious intent?
If not, then no, your darts team is not a cult.

 

[Si Dread]

Darts IS strange & bloody sinister!

sorry, I thought this thread could use a touch of humour! It's a bit grim

 

[elucidator]

Yes, it is a bit. I intended my answer above to be a slightly humorous answer to a silly question, but it may appear like I was being condescending. I did not mean for it to look that way.
This is an extremely touchy subject matter, and I feel that this info needs to get out there, for harm reduction purposes.

 

[Si Dread]

I think, if anything, this is about set-&-setting, isn't it? I mean, I have without question attended events that have a darker nature than the average shiny, smiley rave up, but I wouldnt expose myself to that atmosphere tripping unless I was certain of my ability to handle it or had a fool-proof escape plan.

I guess if there's the vaguest chance of getting trapped in a Dark Psy tent, I'd be very fucking wary about taking a psychedelic drug that day!

For the purposes of HR, I'd advise that anyone taking a psychedelic drug should be as close as possible to 100% certain that they can handle whatever is coming, or secure your home envirmonent in advance & ignore all phonecalls & door knocks! Tripping in unpredictable or downright aggressive or offensive envirmonents should be discouraged for all but the hardiest of psychonauts! & even then, you could be in for a rough ride!