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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - Part 1

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^ Whenever I feel like having fun, I take 4-HO-MiPT. Whenever I feel like torturing myself, I take 4-AcO-DMT. :D

Not to say that one is better than the other.
 
HELLO! I LIKE APPLES! And yes i'm sure i am going to like miprocin too. I love that the mail comes on Saturdays, but I hate that I have to work. Oh, if only i didn't have to work tomorrow and the holiday, how i would dose so leisurely. Well, a couple more days and me and miprocin get to meet for the first time!
 
How does this compare to 4-Aco-DMT?

4-ho-mipt = candy, 4-aco-dmt = vegetables. Fun vs. Lessons. Honestly pleasure vs. insight. 4-ho-mipt I would take to have fun, 4-aco-dmt I would take for insight, which I am not looking for in an RC. Fungus have offered me enough inner journeys. I'm just after candy, and I think I'm on the right thread hehehe!
 
Don't underestimate 4-HO-MiPT. Are you getting the freebase, hydrochloride or fumarate? How much are you planning to take as your first dose?
 
I've got 2g of 4-ho-mipt on its way, so I'll be sure to post back with plenty of reports on differing ROA.
 
Fumrarates will be the most stable salts for most of the 4-sub'd TYP's due to the stabilization effect and fumaric acid's convenient size and the distance between tryptamine nitrogens and 4 hydroxyl substitutions.


AcOs and HO's should have the almost exact if not same effect in a general human being, Provided (1) oral administration first pass metabolism, and enzymes that cleave AcO are all over, but with ingestion they should be gone by the time they hit the intestines.

(2:) You know what salt you have and do a grams and moles comparison. If you don't know what that means, you're putting your life in danger every day. PM me or check out the threads on harm reduction. Seriously. 100mg of a compound that's an HCl salt is going to have significant differences to a compound that has a succinate salt or other non-marginally sized counter ion. Especially for smaller compounds. Imagine if Butanamine had some biological relevance: the salt would practically weigh the same amount of the compound and does not, or hardly, contributes to that substances effects.

Edit for typos and clarity.

2nd edit (sorry!) Ive plugged 5-30 before (I have a set of confirmed fingerprintless weights measuring 10 and 20mg. Yes I use a Gemini-20, but at those ranges it may not be accurate, it has always been 100% precise. I'm confident in that scale's measurements or I just perform dilutions.

4-ho-mipt wasn't as psychedelic as I would have expected, visuals, sure, interesting: yes. When combined with 5meo-mipt, I found it similarly uninteresting. I had been hoping for some synergy.

Definitely make sure you have the HO or the AcO though because the AcO can take a little extra time to go through the body before it becomes just HO. I've been lurking here for a while...it seems like you all know most of what you should be doing, but the occasional question really makes me pause and wonder what people think they really know. I don't mean to be haughty, but since it's my line of work, and I'm also interested in RC's, I don't mind imparting knowledge.


I have to say though...3ce and 3cp, oral and rectal ROA's thrice each over the last year; excellent experiences worth looking into.
 
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I think both, 4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-DMT can be fun, but they can also be very deep and profound. Usually depends on your mindset i'd say. If you have a lot of things to worry about, it's almost inevitable that this is affecting the whole experience.

To date, i hadn't much visuals on 4-HO-MiPT, but 4-AcO-DMT...damn, it's just crazy in this regard.
 
I like this one alot. 4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-DMT are good for different situations IMO. I had an awesome time on 4-AcO-DMT exploring the botanical gardens near where I live, with only one tripping partner (a girl I had just met that was into tripping too). Very good visuals and very relaxing. The 4-HO-MiPT, I took at a drum and bass show and that one was very good for that. The visuals dont encompass your awareness as much, and its very socially stimulating. It just inhibited my ability to communicate a little (getting confused, etc). I think adding some MDMA (I will try it with 5-APB+5-APDB combo next time) would make it completely perfect for partying. I had an awesome experience and by the end of the night I was feeling back to normal compared to my buddys who took MDA/MDMA and were kind of out of it. Though I took a large dose and visual effects persisted even after I woke up from a 5 hour sleep after the party.

Overall I prefer 4-HO-MiPT cause IMO it can be used in more social situations, I don't think I'd like to be around a crowd of people on 4-AcO-DMT (maybe once i get used to the tryptamines again I'd like to combine them though for peak visuals effects).

Also 4-HO-MiPT increased music appreciation greatly. When I woke up from 5 hour nap after the show and still had visuals, I smoked some N-methylamphetamine and had an awesome experience at a daylong outdoorparty. Met alot of people and had no comedown other than some tiredness the next morning (I used to be really addicted to meth though and don't get comedowns for it anymore).

Overall I give this one a 4.5/5 and vote it as my favorite psilocin homologue, I prefer it way more than 4-HO-DiPT(gave me too strong of a mental trip, took this one at home by myself)
 
Don't underestimate 4-HO-MiPT. Are you getting the freebase, hydrochloride or fumarate? How much are you planning to take as your first dose?

This is me, seers_eye, on a dose of about 13 mg right now, 14mg last night. I can't say I know what form, although I am able to ask the source and probably should have. thank you, i wish i would have read that before dosing last night but all is well. Thank you, and I almost put myself in way too deep based on some wild claims on a partyvibe forum.

There's some wildly innaccurate info on this one on some forums out there, people please, this substance is very strong. I've come across people saying you can't run into any real trouble dosing too much with this one, it's just candy, great stuff.

It's all fun and games until you dose enough to send you over the edge into the Big Void.

I think people underestimate this substance, just start low is all i am saying, this is one strong chemical.

Read up on Tihkal folks. 20mg is a strong dose enough for a full on experience for alot of people, yes some may prefer more but be careful, start low. 20mg can produce a vastly greater effect than one may be aware they are getting themselves into. 20mg is enough to produce drifting in and out of the body according to a report from Tihkal, people are NOT overestimating it lol.

This is not a party drug imo. But who knows some people are into some pretty crazy partying nowadays...

And with this warning, i leave you with my most favorite quote from a miprocin experience:

"Instead of anything I expected, I was being mentally, sonicly probed by spirits/aliens/ancestors. I was at their mercy, being completely consumed by their awesome power and intellect. They moved through my mind as beings of pure sound and awareness, pushing at every wall and piece of resistance, creating more and pathways through it. My mind was rushing outwards, expanding into the cosmos. In a space of mostly pure white light, I coiled and streched at these beings will. I did not resist outside of my utter shock as to the intensity of the experience and the beings unbelievable intellect. At some point I thought about turning off the cd to disconnect from the drumming interface of contact...but I felt pretty certain that if I were to suddenly be without guidance in this state I would probably freak out immediately. I was trapped in this meeting until they let it go. This was ok though, I have been hoping for a connection like this for a long time, ride it out. "
 
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After much prayer and spending time outdoors in the forest after being inside I have returned from what was the hardest "trip" (if it can even be called that) I ever had, so hard it was scary and one of those experiences that brings you back to a good path of living after you have wandered astray.

1500 mics of 25c and i was not as scary as this, chinese needle point lsd did not spook me the way this chemical did, I am so grateful I am okay now nearly at baseline. Do not underestimate this drug.

As shaken up as I was these past 2 hours (I ingested 14mg approx. orally 5 hours ago and about 2 hours later insufflated 14mg, big mistake, I was praying for my very sanity, it was one of those please don't go over the edge into the abyss type experiences).

Let's just say I got what I needed from an entheogen but not at all what I wanted going into this chemical. (It was as if the universe spanked me for being a naughty child and said I will give you a chance to return to a good way, for if you continue the way you have been behaving, well you don't want to see what is down at the end of that road my son.)

Peace to you all, may you all be well and happy. Better to be safe than sorry.

Please be careful, this chemical is not recreational beyond a certain dose.
 
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Interesting, I took 25mg orally and another 15mg insufflated and I was just dandy. YMMV and all, of course. glad you could take something out of your difficult experience, though.
 
I just recently got to try this gem of a tryptamine, it's kind of like 4-ho-met, but more deep, more sensual and less visual. But I got to say, I tried it twice now combining 22 mg of it, with 22 mg 2C-B HBr. And it's a truly awesome combo ;)

next up I think I'll try it with some 2C-C....It'll probably be nifty too.
 
Interesting, I took 25mg orally and another 15mg insufflated and I was just dandy. YMMV and all, of course. glad you could take something out of your difficult experience, though.

I take an herb daily, Fo-ti, well it turns out that is an MAOI, not really a good idea to mix with a subbed tryptamine if you want to keep your sanity during the experience, not to mention risking a nasty death to serotonin syndrome.

So grateful to be alive, I honestly feel the abyss I was worried of falling into was death itself. DO NOT MIX SUBBED TRYP'S WITH AN MAOI! If you do you should take a third of a normal dose and leave a note for the coroner...
 
I take an herb daily, Fo-ti, well it turns out that is an MAOI, not really a good idea to mix with a subbed tryptamine if you want to keep your sanity during the experience, not to mention risking a nasty death to serotonin syndrome.

So grateful to be alive, I honestly feel the abyss I was worried of falling into was death itself. DO NOT MIX SUBBED TRYP'S WITH AN MAOI! If you do you should take a third of a normal dose and leave a note for the coroner...

I understand that your experience was undoubtedly intense as hell, however mixing 4-sub tryptamines with MAOis does not result in serotonin syndrome as they aren't releasers.

Mixing mushrooms (which contain 4-ho-dmt & 4-po-dmt) with reversible MAOIs is a common practice sometimes referred to as "psilohuasca" and it's quite safe, although it is intense and the normal dose of mushrooms certainly needs to be lowered.
 
does anyone else find it really hard to sleep after taking this? like if i take it in the afternoon at 5pm then i still cant get to sleep all night.
 
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After having yet another fantastic trip on 4-HO-MiPT, I've decided to rank it among my top favorite psychedelic drugs.

Ended up writing a rap while I was tripping, which I've never even done sober. :D It was amazing, the words just spilled out of me, almost before I even became conscious of them, like I was channeling cosmic poetry.

Also, the open eye visuals were just beautiful, unparalleled. Very organic and animated, flowing. Unlike the more solid, inorganic geometric structures of, say, NBOMes.



does anyone else find it really hard to sleep after taking this? like if i take it in the afternoon at 5pm then i still cant get to sleep all night.

It's a lot easier for me to sleep after 4-HO-MiPT than after a lot of psyches, like LSD for instance, or 4-HO-DPT.
 
I am thinking of taking 16mg tomorrow together with a good friend. But as I am new to this substance, and fairly new to tripping, it's making me a little anxious after many of you warning it's so strong.

I wonder how it compares to 5-MeO-MiPT (which I took five times now). Is 4-HO-MiPT fumarate a stronger substance then 5-MeO-MiPT HCL?
 
It's pretty gentle IMO. 16 mg should be cool, but if you want something a little lighter you might consider doing 12-14 mg.
 
After having yet another fantastic trip on 4-HO-MiPT, I've decided to rank it among my top favorite psychedelic drugs.

Ended up writing a rap while I was tripping, which I've never even done sober. :D It was amazing, the words just spilled out of me, almost before I even became conscious of them, like I was channeling cosmic poetry.

Also, the open eye visuals were just beautiful, unparalleled. Very organic and animated, flowing. Unlike the more solid, inorganic geometric structures of, say, NBOMes.





It's a lot easier for me to sleep after 4-HO-MiPT than after a lot of psyches, like LSD for instance, or 4-HO-DPT.


Your glowing response to 4HOMiPT has made me even more curious to try it. It's been going round my area for a wee while now but I've been resistant to trying it as I like to stick to tried and tested psychedelics due to a fear of bad trips but I keep hearing things about 4ho (most good, a few bad) which is really tempting me to expand my psychedelic horizons.

Hopefully I'll have something goof to report soon.
 
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