Generic Oxycontin in Canada (APO, etc.)

[420 tree guy]

Just joined. Had to chime in. Good to know which ones are better. My friend will appreciate that. Unfortunately the generic brands are not covered in almost all health plans yet (Southern Ontario). The OxyNeo is covered. I know a buddy who was recently prescribed the generic APO-80's and he's not filling it until his plan will pay for it. He says that his plan should start to cover them soon. He's making my buddy drool though.

 

[K-Dub Kid]

Just joined. Had to chime in. Good to know which ones are better. My friend will appreciate that. Unfortunately the generic brands are not covered in almost all health plans yet (Southern Ontario). The OxyNeo is covered. I know a buddy who was recently prescribed the generic APO-80's and he's not filling it until his plan will pay for it. He says that his plan should start to cover them soon. He's making my buddy drool though.

Only the Neo's are covered through the EAP or through the cancer patient program, just can't remember what its called. The generics will have to be payed for out of pocket, or unless private insurance companies will cover them. Either than, gotta pay up front for generics.

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

Talking to you about this more and more makes me so jealous, especially since we're practically neighbours! Lol.

Sorry!
I don't think I'm going to get anymore now. I had my taste and it's just not worth it IME- high wise or money wise. Hydromorphone is more bang for the buck.

Only the Neo's are covered through the EAP or through the cancer patient program, just can't remember what its called. The generics will have to be payed for out of pocket, or unless private insurance companies will cover them. Either than, gotta pay up front for generics.

..and good luck getting a Special Exemption. I don't know for a fact, but I'd imagine it's not very easy... and for what? Some lousy Neo's! Meh.

 

[K-Dub Kid]

^ really? Aren't they going for the old prices? Idk... I've had hydromorphs lately. I didn't mind it. But I'd prefer to have my O's.

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

Hey, you know we're not supposed to talk about prices!
I guess what I mean is that it isn't worth the price for me when HM goes so much further and the oxy high wasn't that good.
It's taking way to much of the oxy to do the trick.
I did 4 40's one after the other (insufflation) when I got them and I couldn't even catch a nod.
Maybe it's just my tolerance...

 

[HighonLife]

^^ we can say yea they are goin for what they used to or are more expensive but its just specifics we cant get into

but dayum this thread constantly has prices come up,

i dont agree with the price rules but rules is rules n what not. but they honestly BL is flexible i mean you can say i get so n so for the price of a case of beer or what not but for whatever reason they just dont like numbers

yea i would prob go for hydromorph over oxy if the price was right

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

I was trying to be careful. The lines seemed to be rather blurred. You're right- I've never seen a thread were prices have kept creeping back into the convo so much and I've lurked since near the beginning. I disagree with the price rule myself, but can see where the staff are coming from.

In that case, k-dub kid, they were only slightly more that the Neos... perfectly reasonable. I feared we'd get some US style prices up here and it never seemed to happen. YMMV.

HIL- Do you insufflate the HM or whatever else? HM goes much farther by IV although I never do it myself. The BA for HM insufflated is extremely low (not as bad as oral). I always insufflate everything and still find the HM to do the trick at least as good as oxy's and the legs are very much longer. HM seems less addictive than oxy too. I think most would disagree, but that's my perception.. I suppose those who really like HM are shooting it anyway, so it's really a whole different bag of cats, or something! HAHA
As an aside, these APO oxy's remind me of snorting laundry detergent.. there's just a hint of it I think. Very subtle. It's not a bad thing.

 

[K-Dub Kid]

I was trying to be careful. The lines seemed to be rather blurred. You're right- I've never seen a thread were prices have kept creeping back into the convo so much and I've lurked since near the beginning. I disagree with the price rule myself, but can see where the staff are coming from.

In that case, k-dub kid, they were only slightly more that the Neos... perfectly reasonable. I feared we'd get some US style prices up here and it never seemed to happen. YMMV.

HIL- Do you insufflate the HM or whatever else? HM goes much farther by IV although I never do it myself. The BA for HM insufflated is extremely low (not as bad as oral). I always insufflate everything and still find the HM to do the trick at least as good as oxy's and the legs are very much longer. HM seems less addictive than oxy too. I think most would disagree, but that's my perception.. I suppose those who really like HM are shooting it anyway, so it's really a whole different bag of cats, or something! HAHA
As an aside, these APO oxy's remind me of snorting laundry detergent.. there's just a hint of it I think. Very subtle. It's not a bad thing.

Man oh man... I wish one of the rules didn't apply for BL. Cuz I would take a ride and visit you LMAO! Still no luck finding the generics in my area... Going nuts lol all I can find is hydromorphs, neo's, and other shit... But the one and only thing I truly want, I can't find. Its starting to get really depressing lol.

 

[Supeudol]

I currently just switched my prescription of HydroMorphContin 24's to the APO Oxycodone CR 60mg's. Now, the only other generic brand I have tried is Cobalt, and they are not near as good as Apotex. The Cobalt ones are much harder to chew then the Apotex brand. Insufflating Oxycodone has NEVER been my thing, I've never gotten a rush from Insufflating Oxycodone.. Oxycodone is meant to be taken Orally, because of its very high Oral B/A - up to ~87%. I just wish they were covered here in Alberta, the generics that is.

Now I believe Hydromorphone and Oxycodone both have their ups & downs.. Oxycodone has positive effects in a different matter, while Hydromorphone has its positive effects in a different manner. Hydromorphone is GREAT for intranasal usage since I don't use the needle. But I wish they would make higher dosages of HydroMorphContin than just the 30's (especially since Hydromorphone's ORAL B/A is Only ~30-35%. Yet, Hydromorphone's Intranasal B/A ranges from about ~51-59% Hydromorphone is WAY stronger insufflated compared to insufflated Oxycodone, that's a no brainer right there.

If you are snorting your Oxy, you are just wasting it. Eat it or chew it. (Yeah sure it might not give you a "fast" rush, but its effects are much more pronounced when you wait while it kicks in Orally). I've been doing Opiates for 9 years, mainly Oxycodone & Hydromorphone. I am not sure which one to stick with, because they both have their positive & negatives. Hydromorphone taken Orally though, is almost like Taking a few Tylenol 3's.. Thats what pisses me off about Morphine, and Hydromorphone? Why make a pill with such a shitty Oral Bioavailability?

But anyway, in all my experiences with both, HydroMorphContin with the beads dumped out and crushed up nice and good with a mug on a plate, is much much stronger than snorting Oxycodone. Another thing I like about Hydromorphone is that it has legs, where Oxycodone doesn't as well. Then again on the other hand, I can just pop Oxy, whereas the HM I have to crush all the time. I'm trying to figure out which is best for tapering... Oxycodone is probably best for tapering because of its high B/A. But I think I need a higher dosage to start with to sort of "level me off". Right now I'm on the APO Oxycodone CR 60's TID (Three times daily). So 180mg of Oxycodone per day.. but i've tended to go over that lately since I first started on them, I think partially because of how intense the Hydromorphone w/d is.

 

[Supeudol]

Iv been told recently that a bunch of new generics like APO are now available in Canada and are similar to the old formulation CDN 80's that you can crush and snort or swallow to eliminate the time release, as opposed to the OxyNeo formulation that make it impossible to beat the extended release.

I'm just wondering if this is true or not, I called a couple pharmacies and they seemed to think the new generic formulations are going to be the same as the OxyNeos; impossible to beat the time release.

Anyone have any information or come across any generic Oxys yet in Canada? If this is true I would like to switch my prescription from the Neos to the old formulation because the Neos make me sick in the morning, they are extremely hard on my stomach.

Thanks!

Why the hell would you phone up pharmacies and specifically ask if the new generics are going to be impossible to beat the time release? That's just pure stupidity right there. Obviously they know you are a drug seeker asking that question right there, and most Pharmacies are not allowed to give information like that out to a random person who just phones in. That sounds so shady and suspicious. ^Ah, the joy of the immature teenagers on this site. 8)

 

[K-Dub Kid]

Supeudol, did you have to do a special authorization request form to get switched from HM's to oxy? Cuz I know quite a bit of people that have scripts for long acting opioids and want to switch to the generics. I don't know if it varies from province to province, but I just know it seems to be harder for people in Ontario to get them, in certain areas of the province anyways.

 

[MrHyde2k]

Well i been getting these for the last week, and just got an 80, and ill tell you they are nothing like the old ones, i just snorted an 80 and barely feel anything, and i average a 20 or less a day, i just pop for my back and knee, some days i skip if i can do it. but wanted ot see what they were like and i wasted my money and my pill. Dont know what else to say.

 

[K-Dub Kid]

Well i been getting these for the last week, and just got an 80, and ill tell you they are nothing like the old ones, i just snorted an 80 and barely feel anything, and i average a 20 or less a day, i just pop for my back and knee, some days i skip if i can do it. but wanted ot see what they were like and i wasted my money and my pill. Dont know what else to say.

Really? Well that's disappointing... But do you use other opiates? Or? Cuz I've been dying to see these in person.

 

[HighonLife]

HIL- Do you insufflate the HM or whatever else? HM goes much farther by IV although I never do it myself. The BA for HM insufflated is extremely low (not as bad as oral). I always insufflate everything and still find the HM to do the trick at least as good as oxy's and the legs are very much longer. HM seems less addictive than oxy too. I think most would disagree, but that's my perception.. I suppose those who really like HM are shooting it anyway, so it's really a whole different bag of cats, or something! HAHA
As an aside, these APO oxy's remind me of snorting laundry detergent.. there's just a hint of it I think. Very subtle. It's not a bad thing.

just noticed this, i assume you were talkin to me

im a snorter

 

[Supeudol]

The new generics are a lot better than the OxyNEO's, that's for sure. At least APO brand is anyways.. Not sure what other people are talking about. Also, Hydromorphone is much more addictive than Oxycodone. Especially if you go from insufflating large amounts of Hydromorphone, and then switch back to Oxycodone. I am trying to figure out if Oxycodone has a ceiling limit or not, I know hydromorphone doesn't. But I need to get my tolerance down, and the only way I can see myself getting off opiates is tapering with Oxycodone, the new generics that is. I have only tried the Cobalt ones, and APO, and APO were far superior. I'd like to see what PMS is like, although their products are usually subpar compared to Apotex.

 

[mr. red]

Just got my first two generic 80s today. They said OCD 80 on one side and APO on the other. I am on a large amount of Methadone so I barely felt anything but that taste brought back a lot of memories. They're back!@!!!

 

[karambit]

I couldn't get some Oxy CR-80's for a while as the prescribing doctor died, last September I was on original perdue's for 4 years. I finally was referred to an understanding doctor that continued with my therapy. So back on 80mgs q.i.d of APO's. Just as good, if not better then the original ones by purdue. Apo has quite the reputation for making potent generics and precise delivery systems with no additional additives from the brand names.I dont do insufflation ,so these treat me real well
I hope all members can get the fair treatment that they deserve.I can make good reccomendations to clinics and specialists in Ontario, as I work in the medical field.

 

[K-Dub Kid]

Well, I'm glad to say that I found some old ones! Some good old CDN's. Bit pricy, but definitely worth it. Can't wait to see how good the generics are. Still really anxious to see if they're as good as everyone's saying, especially the APO's.

 

[Tiesto]

Sorry I don't have the time to read through all 6 pages of this post, but I know it was discussed somewhere.

Question: are the generic APOs being covered by insurance now? if not, does anyone know when/if they will be? or can someone point me in the right direction on how to get this answered?

 

[K-Dub Kid]

Sorry I don't have the time to read through all 6 pages of this post, but I know it was discussed somewhere.

Question: are the generic APOs being covered by insurance now? if not, does anyone know when/if they will be? or can someone point me in the right direction on how to get this answered?

My opinion would be that maybe some private insurance will be covering them soon, but definitely not government. I'd look for what companies would be covering them, but I doubt any have started yet. With the media so focused on oxy, its hard to tell what's gonna happen. I just read yesterday that the US will NOT approve any generic OxyContin that uses the old formula, and that generic companies have to make their own abuse deterrent features, and that Canada won't change their policy on that. But personally, I think there's gonna be a huge fight between us and the States because of that decision. Shit better not change, or I'll be pissed. Haven't even gotten to see any of the generics yet, and I'm in southern Ontario.