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Scottish Independence v. Further devolution, or just convoluted lies?

Should Scotland become independent?

  • Should stay how things are now

    Votes: 6 15.0%

  • Should become fully independent

    Votes: 20 50.0%

  • Should extend devolved powers but remain part of UK

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • I am Spade

    Votes: 6 15.0%
  • Total voters
    40
peyoteshaman said:
If Scotland wants to go independent, it's free to do so. I hope it does. It has a government it didn't vote for, nuclear weapons in it's oceans that it's people don't actually want, puts more into the pot than it gets out and has the opportunity to escape the archaic house of lords/ monarchy and the illegal wars that go with them.
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Well said.



BlindHelperMonkey said:
and equating the fact scotland happens to have a disputable claim on a percentage of some mediocre oil reserves to them putting more in than they take is the funniest thing ive read all day, keep it up
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You are such an idiot. Care to back up your flippant ramblings with a source?
 
I think they should go for it and join the euro, surely even if the oil ends up being exploited and earnings only shared among the government and a few of their cronies, like in Russia in the 90s, the country as a whole could still get more out of Brussels than they do out of Westminster. The infrastructure is all there anyway, I think the cost of switchover is over estimated.
 
Your all forgetting that near enough all the infrastructure put in place to get all the oil out of the sea was paid for by the UK, hence financed in London. If you think those Cuntish bankers are gonna let you just up and keep all the black gold for yourselves, frankly you're deluded. Even so the piddly amount of oil produced up there still doesn't make you a net contributor to HMRC. Good luck to you if you wanna go for it though, at least you will get rid of the Tory's once and for all.
 
Mental Kenny said:
I think they should go for it and join the euro, surely even if the oil ends up being exploited and earnings only shared among the government and a few of their cronies, like in Russia in the 90s, the country as a whole could still get more out of Brussels than they do out of Westminster. The infrastructure is all there anyway, I think the cost of switchover is over estimated.
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We'd keep the pound dude, unless voters decided to join the Euro. With the current state of the European Union, I doubt they would.

Glowing aaron said:
Your all forgetting that near enough all the infrastructure put in place to get all the oil out of the sea was paid for by the UK, hence financed in London. If you think those Cuntish bankers are gonna let you just up and keep all the black gold for yourselves, frankly you're deluded. Even so the piddly amount of oil produced up there still doesn't make you a net contributor to HMRC. Good luck to you if you wanna go for it though, at least you will get rid of the Tory's once and for all.
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Piddly amount of Oil?

Oil and Gas revenues in the North Sea are estimated to provide between 6bn and 12bn a fucking year! 100% of which goes to Westminister, which is ridiculous. In 99, Blair made around 6,000 miles of Scottish waters, English by moving our marine boundaries from Berwick-up-on-Tweed to Carnoustie. This wasn't even openly discussed in the Commons, although it was passed by the house of Lords and then passed by a very select Labour and Liberal committee. It took around 15% of oil and gas revenues out of the Scottish sector of the North Sea, which took £2.2 Billion out of the Scottish economy. You could make an argument about the historical contributions of London-based groups such as BP (Deepwater Horizon anyone?), for their role in extracting the oil at huge initial expense, but fuck em'. Why supply greedy corporations, who steal from your pockets, on your fucking doorstep!
 
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Glowing aaron said:
Your all forgetting that near enough all the infrastructure put in place to get all the oil out of the sea was paid for by the UK, hence financed in London
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No, financed from taxes in Scotland. Scotland has paid more than it's fair share (I'm pretty sure we actually subsidise the UK by something like 0.3%, which isn't worth bitching over but shows we're capable of self-government). If the wankers in London do want to make a big deal over assets then we can charge rent for trident. (which the vast majority of Scots don't want)
 
scotland has no claim, all current borders are by design of internal law, which itself aportions nothing specificially to scotland. all north sea oil concerned is property of the united kingdom, which scotland would be leaving. if it came to maritime law, englands borders infact head off in a line up towards norway and therefore encompass the majority of the oil fields concerned


im afraid all you scots have been duped by lofty political claims along with downright lies. i believe the figure peyoteshaman is grasping for is the 'three billion' net contribution figure, which is plainly incorrect. scotland have long been a nation happy to take the subsidies before the discovery of north sea oil, yet turn to bite the loving hand that feeds them as soon as the whiff of an opportunity presented itself. i would enjoy seeing the sweaty socks crawling back five years hence, begging for repatriation into our warm national embrace.. thus proving the long held, feckless, incompetant scot stereotype to be true
 
scotland should be cut off and towed out to the middle of nowhere by a fuck load of massive boats
 
thanks to climate change, an independant scotland will have to rebuild hadrians wall to act as a nice seafront and stop english immigrants swimming across the border.
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
scotland has no claim, all current borders are by design of internal law, which itself aportions nothing specificially to scotland. all north sea oil concerned is property of the united kingdom, which scotland would be leaving. if it came to maritime law, englands borders infact head off in a line up towards norway and therefore encompass the majority of the oil fields concerned


im afraid all you scots have been duped by lofty political claims along with downright lies. i believe the figure peyoteshaman is grasping for is the 'three billion' net contribution figure, which is plainly incorrect. scotland have long been a nation happy to take the subsidies before the discovery of north sea oil, yet turn to bite the loving hand that feeds them as soon as the whiff of an opportunity presented itself. i would enjoy seeing the sweaty socks crawling back five years hence, begging for repatriation into our warm national embrace.. thus proving the long held, feckless, incompetant scot stereotype to be true
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Maritime law? Is specifically to do with Ships, Shipping, and Crime. I think your confused. Scottish territorial waters come under the jurisdiction of Scottish Law, granted in accordance with devolved parliament. The North Sea has five countries producing Oil within its Exclusive Economic Zones, which are divided into blocks of quadrants. Take a look at the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999, before you do. You are clearly wrong.

Again, unfounded bollocks, with a touch of insult for good measure. Would expect nothing less from you, though.

:)
 
Even though the eurozone is not exactly in good shape, funds for nation building are always available, Scotland would get a lot in the short term.

Joining the euro would be good for trade and relations as well, would give more leverage in the international field to the new born country.

Anyway I hope you guys get your indipendence, as a country you did get fucked over extensively by the English, if the oil revenue is used smartly as in Norway and not just hoarded up by an elite few, the benefits for the people could potentially be great.
 
scotland mainly contains heroin addicts and kitten drowning inbred farmers, so it's economic future in the euro is assured.
 
actually urbain, you are wrong.. maritime boundaries are the given parameters by how border disputes are ajudged and by which international law is formulated. do your research

aside from that, scots law is an act of internal law concerning, for and by the united kingdom. it doesnt apply to scotland as an independant, non uk entity, you dolt. if youre going to cite law, it helps to understand it, scots law holds no specific provsion for oil anyway, moron
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
actually urbain, you are wrong.. maritime boundaries are the given parameters by how border disputes are ajudged and by which international law is formulated. do your research

aside from that, scots law is an act of internal law concerning, for and by the united kingdom. it doesnt apply to scotland as an independant, non uk entity, you dolt. if youre going to cite law, it helps to understand it, scots law holds no specific provsion for oil anyway, moron
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Eh, firstly, you cited Law, a wrong one I may add. (Maritime..!). Also, they are not called Maritime boundaries. I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Secondly, Scots Law concerns SCOTLAND (hence, Scottish Law), and although technically a shared legislature of the United Kingdom, it holds a completely separate jurisdiction, thus, it does not concern, is not for, and is not applied by the United Kingdom. For example, the United Kingdom cannot pass statutes, without the Scottish Parliaments consent. See devolved Parliament again. Thirdly, Scottish Law holds provision for territorial waters, in which Oil and Gas is produced. See Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999, again. Thus, Scottish Law holds specific provisions for Oil. (and Gas, Wind Turbines, Wave Energy, etc).

You are wrong, again, but feel free to add another insult, when you reply with yet more unsubstantiated nonsense.
 
urbain, youve just repeated your previous, flawed argument. i cant be arsed to type it again, so just read it again, properly this time. scots law and especially the complete white elephant that is the scottish parliament plus building - dont mean shit, when you become independant, it is internal british law, applicable to scotland as an entity within the united kingdom can you not process that through your drink addled, vitamin d deficient, thick scotch-egg skull?
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
urbain, youve just repeated your previous, flawed argument. i cant be arsed to type it again, so just read it again, properly this time. scots law and especially the complete white elephant that is the scottish parliament plus building - dont mean shit, when you become independant, it is internal british law, applicable to scotland as an entity within the united kingdom can you not process that through your drink addled, vitamin d deficient, thick scotch-egg skull?
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Nice stereotyping.

I would formulate a reply, but I'd be here all night, and I, unlike you, have friends and a social life.

Ta ta.

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