but oxy is a semi synthetic thats synthesized from actual thebaine and prescribed like crazy in the us, however drugs like nalbuphine, butorphanol and tillidine (which i saw in wiki is prescribed mostly in those countries but it is just like the drugs i have listed) is a full synthetic not being derived or synthesized from any part of the poppy. this class of opioids is just simply not prescribed nearly as much as semi-synths like oxy or even codeine(in the u.s.). so that pretty much answers my question..partly anyway...you are in europe for one and i am sure things are simply done differently. i was just curious cuz you have talked about another full-synth before(i cant remember which) and it piqued my curiosity because like i said the only time i have even seen these full synth drugs was from a doctor as they are mostly used in hospitals here...mostly anyway. ps. i know they do prescribe them for different reasons like allergies etc...oh and i remember the other one you posted, it was pentazocine, here its under the brand name talwin and again its a full synthetic opioid analgesic not prescribed all that often here in the u.s.(i think mainly with people to allergies to actual opium derived drugs).