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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%

  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%

  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%

  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%
  • Total voters
    148
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Male - 5'11 - 140lbs (mostly muscle) - mid-30s - AMT stored in freezer - on no meds - last trip was 2 weeks ago on 6APB - AMT powder is smelly, very fine grains, brick orange and dense

Noon - 100mg in a gel cap swallowed with soy-milk on an empty stomach since supper last-night
12.15pm - nausea, downed some water
12.30pm - coming up, slight psychedelic sheen/visual buzz, then a little vomiting, not really unpleasant but relieving, mostly clear or empty heaving. Pleasantly surprised at suddenness of on-set.
12.45pm - water, piece of mandarin orange, psychedelic visual buzz increasing
12.50pm - nausea
12.55pm - vomiting - return of the orange - relief
1.00pm - careful sips of water for next hour. Psychedelic visuals increasingly clear. No more nausea
2.00pm to 12am - full on psychedelic patterns,sparks of colour, surfaces "breath", heavy tracers. Occasionally need to defecate. Mixture of hard and watery shit. Not painful or truly unpleasant, just annoying to have to deal with.
12am - decrease in intensity. A little more shitting.
2am - very little visually, but still a trippy feeling. If friends hadn't visited I'd have dropped a zopiclone to sleep. Still got the tripping feeling but no real visuals except the occasional spark of colour here and there, until 6am when they crash & I eat the Z.

Next day, wake at 11am feel tired, hungry, but relaxed, manage to do a little shopping (pick-up take-away, hah) & loll around & nap a few hours in the afternoon. Awesome.

IME 80mg of AMT was just as visual, but with less nausea, no vomiting & little shitting. Will swallow my next cap with just water, not soyjuice. Curious about 120mg, but pessimistic that I'll just increase body-load & not visuals.
 
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I'm looking for a dosage advice for a first time AMT experience. The setting will be a very psychedelic festival, the set is EXTENSIVE experience with over 20 RC's. I don't want to be underwhelmed, yet I don't want the body load to ruin the trip. Any advice? Also, is smoking preferred over oral?
 
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From my own experience only - 80mg will be very colourful & trippy - really beautiful, the best so far. But I have to handle 30mins nausea at the beginning, plus I won't feel energised for too much dancing over the 12 hours.

So yeah, 60mgs sounds a good idea -I'll trip but not be too listless.

As for you personally though, you'd better make time individually before your festival, to see how your body handles a 20mg dose, cos you never know how different people can be. If you don't have time to earn experience and see if it works well for you, you could be vomiting & shitting throughout while being freaked out for up to 12 hours.
 
20mg will give you a sense of it, but won't impress. So it is a good, cautious start. Put it in a gel-cap (or paper if you can swallow it) or down it with water.

Do not eat prior to the oral dose and don't mix with too much water. Best to have an empty stomach (e.g. first thing in the morning). I've only experienced nausea/vomiting on higher doses and usually only then if is was thoughtless enough to eat around that time.

Once you get a sense of it, if you like it, the 80-100mg doses are beautiful.
 
aMT as a MAOI

Basically doing a 5 day binge, with the last 3 days at a festival. Planning on drinking on one or two of the nights, and probably MDMA once. I would rather not take it twice but it might happen. I also plan on taking amt, preferably at the festival. Is this sensible? It's very far in the future and I have a couple dates set put to experiment beforehand.

Would AMT have significant effect as a MAOI say on the last day of the festival? Would it be better to be taken days before or after the use of MDMA?

I know it's not ideal to go on binges, nor be taking maois alongside strong serotones.
 
I personally would recommend not binging at a festival. If you end up feeling like shit after such a mix, with head-aches, weakness, puking & shitting yourself, you'll be in a right mess. Though I guess you could tell your grandkids about it :P
 
That sounds like an utterly appalling idea. MDMA and aMT is a risky combination given the MAOI concerns. That's assuming you have any neurotransmitters left to release after the second day.

As much as they can be trivialised here, drugs are not toys and failing to treat them with the respect they deserve will likely leave you mad or dead.
 
Is it safe to mix cannabis with MAOIs? I don't fully know what an MAOI is, I know what it stands for and that it can interact with certain drugs depending on the pharmacodynamics.

EDIT: Although apparently aMT is a weak MAOI, I was still wondering if it would have any interaction.
 
No, cannabis has no interactions with MAOIs.

MAOIs prevent the breakdown of certain neurotransmitters. This can be useful, for activating DMT or treating depression, but it can also be very dangerous if mixed with something like a serotonin releaser, since the serotonin cannot be broken down and accumulates to dangerous levels.
 
So, dopamine, serotonin, etc are monoamine neurotransmitters. Usually they get oxidized to something else when they aren't needed, but MAOI prevent them from being oxidized creating a build up, which is bad if the MA is toxic? Is that how it works?
 
It's nothing to do with the monamine being toxic, just that it is totally unable to do its job. Serotonin plays a role in temperature regulation so a huge excess causes serious overheating, amongst other symptoms. this can be fatal.
 
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That sounds like an utterly appalling idea. MDMA and aMT is a risky combination given the MAOI concerns. That's assuming you have any neurotransmitters left to release after the second day.
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Thought this would be the case, thank you.

Just waiting on scales to arrive and a day off work and I'll be on it, yay.
 
I have just managed to get 100mg of amt today, I'm excited to try it! I have put a tiny amount in my mouth to see whether I'll get any bad reactions and I felt nothing (~1 hour later).

Since I only have limited experience with drugs (weed, MDMA) and this would be my first research chemical, it would be great if someone could give me some feedback on my plans.

I read around and dosage varies quite a lot with seemingly random results! I was thinking of maybe taking 30mg; I don't want to overdo it but I definitely want some results! Is this a good idea?
 
30mg sounds good for a first time. With the stronger batch you will be quite safe whereas with a weaker one you will have a noticeable mood lift and energy boost within minimal psychedelia.
 
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30mg sounds good for a first time. With the stronger batch you will be quite safe whereas with a weaker one you will have a noticeable mood lift and energy boost within minimal psychedelia.
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Thank you! :) I will try it and report back. This is freebase by the way.
 
I REALLY wish this wasn't illegal in America. AMT and DPT both sound VERY promising. And I would eventually like to mix AMT or DPT with DMT and see what happens. Maybe in an ayahuasca brew or something :D
 
You have my condolences ShaggyFin you really are missing out on something special if you can't get your hands on this.

Last few times I've used this I've experienced mild time changes while listening to music, it will slow down and speeds up at random. Has anyone else experienced this? It really makes me giggle.=D
 
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