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its not triggering to me either. I guess its due to my recovery program and just where I'm at. I second CH on his opinion.
 
It's a pretty triggering place if your mind is not stable enough to take the information that gets processed through here.
You should all know what to expect when lurking around TDS...
You have been warned :p
 
Yes I'm venturing into dangerous places, not for consumption. I would benefit from a break ! ! Actually this is in process as today is my last day as a moderator, at least for this chapter in time.

I was reading today about social prosthetic systems (SPS), coined by Stephen Kosslyn. Bluelight is my primary, current SPS:

"...SPSs... in which we rely on others to extend our reasoning abilities and to help us regulate and constructively employ our emotions. A good marriage may arise in part because two people can serve as effective SPSs for each other. ... A key element of serving as an SPS is learning how best to help someone. Others who function as your SPSs adapt to your particular needs, desires, and predilections. In short, parts of other people's brains come to serve as extensions of your own brain".

Social Prosthetics!
 
It's not TDS that is hard to digest, I just vented in here because this is my BL home :) The rough spots are in ADD, OD, CD, PD, TR, and most profoundly the druggy bunch thread.
 
Cohesion said:
It's not TDS that is hard to digest, I just vented in here because this is my BL home :) The rough spots are in ADD, OD, CD, PD, TR, and most profoundly the druggy bunch thread.
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For some reason I don't find these sub-forums to be triggering, and I don't really find myself being triggered from common events. I would go into detail but that wouldn't be appropriate for TDS social threads.

I think if you are finding yourself craving/being triggered, it's best to remember you're in a better position not using, because you don't have to deal with the come down/damage/after effects/withdrawal/price, not to mention being clear of any legal problems. :)
 
Yep it's true. Going deeply into any of these forums the "dark side" of each drug comes out. Maybe not immediately, but at least subtly in the terminology used.

c.h. I hope your friend is feeling better soon <3
 
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c.h. I hope your friend is feeling better soon <3
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They have several chronic mental illnesses. Barring spontaneous recovery from the most severe one, I doubt they're going to improve much any time soon. It's really hard to watch someone suffer like this on an ongoing basis, and I'm somewhat surprised about how well adjusted I have been throughout these last few months.

This person knows they are suffering from it too and it distresses them when they get to the point of experiencing mental clarity and know that they will soon be experiencing the symptoms again.
 
tripnotyzm said:
It's a pretty triggering place if your mind is not stable enough to take the information that gets processed through here.
You should all know what to expect when lurking around TDS...
You have been warned :p
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TDS is the least triggering! Drug Culture is what does me in. Which is why I'm not in Drug Culture!
 
Sometimes for me too SOOO. Too many H and crack threads in there for me sometimes making light of the stuff and the fun times to be had which is what I find most difficult. Luckily I don't find the forum that engaging anyways so rarely go in ( Sorry DCers! ;) ) Those subjects / substances in TDS no problem, we're focussed on the downsides that led us / are leading us to quit the stuff.

Cohesion said:
Yes I'm venturing into dangerous places, not for consumption. I would benefit from a break ! ! Actually this is in process as today is my last day as a moderator, at least for this chapter in time.

I was reading today about social prosthetic systems (SPS), coined by Stephen Kosslyn. Bluelight is my primary, current SPS:

"...SPSs... in which we rely on others to extend our reasoning abilities and to help us regulate and constructively employ our emotions. A good marriage may arise in part because two people can serve as effective SPSs for each other. ... A key element of serving as an SPS is learning how best to help someone. Others who function as your SPSs adapt to your particular needs, desires, and predilections. In short, parts of other people's brains come to serve as extensions of your own brain".

Social Prosthetics!
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I didn't know you were stepping down Cohesion. ( Perhaps it's the first time you've mentioned it? ) From what I've seen of you you've been a very decent Mod. It's sometimes a thankless task I know so your efforts are appreciated taking one for the team! Cheers. :)

Never come across the SPS stuff. Think it would apply in my case also, with BL especially as far as reasoning and emotional response goes, sure. May look into that more. Interesting.

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This person knows they are suffering from it too and it distresses them when they get to the point of experiencing mental clarity and know that they will soon be experiencing the symptoms again.
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I can't really begin to imagine just how distressing that is but yes, must be absolutely soul destroying for them. And so hard to watch someone you care about go through that too. Tough. <3
 
Sepher said:
I can't really begin to imagine just how distressing that is but yes, must be absolutely soul destroying for them. And so hard to watch someone you care about go through that too. Tough. <3
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Yeah. What's worse is that they are unable to afford medical care for themselves, even though they have had some success with some medications.

It's a real shame that there isn't public mental health facilities that will dispense people medications they need. I mean, there are some, but there definitely aren't enough and they're not very well run programs whatsoever.
 
Fuck me, I know your healthcare system's fucked up but I would have thought there'd be more of a safety net for severe cases like this at least? Never mind the individual if we're being completely mercenary, it would serve a socially useful function for wider society to have such safety nets in place for those who are at the extremes of ( and I hesitate to use the words, not wanting them to be perjorative ) social dysfunction, in a none-contributory sense at least surely? It's a no-brainer. I've not kept up with the Obamacare thing. Is that not improving things or has it yet to go forward properly?
 
Sepher said:
Fuck me, I know your healthcare system's fucked up but I would have thought there'd be more of a safety net for severe cases like this at least? Never mind the individual if we're being completely mercenary, it would serve a socially useful function for wider society to have such safety nets in place for those who are at the extremes of ( and I hesitate to use the words, not wanting them to be perjorative ) social dysfunction, in a none-contributory sense at least surely? It's a no-brainer. I've not kept up with the Obamacare thing. Is that not improving things or has it yet to go forward properly?
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I could talk about this for a long time. Point in case, nationalized health care should exist in the United States. It doesn't particularly because there is a huge racket of people making obscene profits off of the lack of a nationalized health care system.

Barring nationalized health care, people with mental health problems should be able to get help for free, and receive medications for free. Putting a price on mental health burdens people with mental health problems, and it often leaves them in a position to be unable to receive help. Then they are unable to contribute to society in a meaningful way. If they were able to contribute to society in a meaningful way, they would pay taxes, which would cover the cost of giving them medications and help for free. The only difference is that you would have a better society when people get the help they need; the cost wouldn't be any different.
 
Nail on head, exactly what i was driving at. I don't think you could call a nation truly civilised that did not provide that kind of help as a right to those most in need but ignoring the moral case altogether it makes sound civil and economic sense for a nation to invest in its citizens in a way that promotes a healthy and productive return on that investment to the nation itself as a whole, not to rapacious fucking corporations and big pharma who make a mockery of the word 'care' in health care.
 
Sepher said:
Nail on head, exactly what i was driving at. I don't think you could call a nation truly civilised that did not provide that kind of help as a right to those most in need but ignoring the moral case altogether it makes sound civil and economic sense for a nation to invest in its citizens in a way that promotes a healthy and productive return on that investment to the nation itself as a whole, not to rapacious fucking corporations and big pharma who make a mockery of the word 'care' in health care.
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The movie Sicko by Michael Moore really paints the picture well, have you seen it?

Sicko
 
Not yet, no. Know of it, will get round to it at some point. Not even got round to Bowling For Columbine yet though had it on the hard drive for months. In the UK we're more used to the more obviously amusing satirical side of Michael Moore from his TV work mid to late 90s, TV Nation / The Awful Truth ( or I am anyways ). Not seen so much of the more recent, darker stuff. Must remedy that, like his work, got a couple of his books downstairs. Very cutting, like can you even believe this shit?
 
So I just past the year mark since I left detox about a week ago. I'll have a year off of everything but marijuana around Feb/March which was the end of my last relapse.

Also quit smoking cigarettes in September. Still going strong in that regard. Only wish I could quit smoking weed totally and completely as well.

Dunno why but I just felt like writing this all somewhere today.
 
Stick to the target and then take down weed when you can. Stopping pot will be a great thing for you to do but be aware you might just be replacing all of your addictions with marijuana. Just an outside thought. Best of luck <3
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I could talk about this for a long time. Point in case, nationalized health care should exist in the United States. It doesn't particularly because there is a huge racket of people making obscene profits off of the lack of a nationalized health care system.

Barring nationalized health care, people with mental health problems should be able to get help for free, and receive medications for free. Putting a price on mental health burdens people with mental health problems, and it often leaves them in a position to be unable to receive help. Then they are unable to contribute to society in a meaningful way. If they were able to contribute to society in a meaningful way, they would pay taxes, which would cover the cost of giving them medications and help for free. The only difference is that you would have a better society when people get the help they need; the cost wouldn't be any different.
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I could not agree more about the need for coverage in general but mental health care coverage is indeed one of the most shameful aspects of our lack of healthcare. As self employed people my husband and I paid thousands of dollars a month for coverage and it never included ANYTHING for mental health care or for anything related to addiction. Thus, for Caleb, we mortgaged our house to cover the services we hoped would help him. Now we are nearing retirement and will not have the money to pay the mortgage.

Obamacare is drop in the bucket, if that. Once they took the public option off the table, it was gutted IMO. Sure they can't deny you coverage for a pre=existing condition, but they are for-profit companies who can charge you whatever they please. So you are still denied care because you cannot afford the coverage. And isn't it interesting that the same policies that will cover all the new costly pharmaceuticals for everything from ADD to depression will not cover therapy, psychiatric or psychologist visits, biofeedback, meditation classes, in-patient treatment etc.? Sepher, you are so right about the word "civilized". Between our lack of healthcare and the death penalty that word does not apply to this country.
 
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