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The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread: Second Dose

200mg MDAI + 40mg MPA would put your mind more at peace, and still be very good. This is orally, by the way, so insufflated would require smaller dosing (but similar proportions).

I've tried EPA and MPA separately, but only MPA in combo with MDAI. I much prefer MPA to EPH, but many disagree.
 
Yeah, that's probably a good proportion. It is Ethylphenidate not MPA that I'll have as well as MDAI so I'll report in this thread and the EPH one. I know these substances are kinda old news now but it's good to keep an eye on how products are performing. Any ideas on the Etizolam question? Is anyone aware of problems with a small anti-anxiety dose (0.5mg-1mg) before going for these MDAI and EPH?
 
interesting some find MDAI anxiety inducing... a few pages back people were saying how relaxing and chilled this chemicall is. is this a trait to be found only in combos?
 
kingme said:
interesting some find MDAI anxiety inducing... a few pages back people were saying how relaxing and chilled this chemicall is. is this a trait to be found only in combos?
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Hi Kingme - I don't know if I'll encounter anxiety as it's my first time with it - and it's together with Ethylphenidate which I've heard can be edgy with some people. I have a history of getting jittery on the come-up with stims, which I used to smash with booze. But you know... I'm a bit older and wonder if my body can take 8 tins of stella as well as the stims! Probably could, but don't want to risk it.

Based on reports, you're right - MDAI alone is generally a feelgood drug.
 
Can't find mdai on FDA site, so maybe they're overlooking it at present... can't be sure though.

David the Chansey said:
Trust me, MDAI isn't anxiety inducing at all. It has the easiest come ups too :) even with mpa.
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Sounds great! Ok, what do you reckon: Last time I had rcs was over two years ago, when Mephedrone was still legal. Did quite a lot of that over 12 months. With this combo am I looking at something in the same league as Meph?

Reports suggest that re-dosing should be less often and is less compulsive. I'm guessing it won't produce the same manic self-interest, but will be a touch more tame. And the big one of course: what about the sex? With Meph... well, you know - it was borderline insane in a REALLY good way (apart from the occasional shrinkage!) Do Ethylphenidate + MDAI in anyone's experience produce anything good sex-wise?
 
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@movem - I agree with the poster that no anxiety is present with MDAI. My experience with MDAI is that it's very underrated but also not as strong as a high that some people are looking for.

Anyway, I would say the effects are noticeable but the effects are "low key." There is no stimulation involved and I would say its more of a mental/psychological high than that of a body high. The effects for me include: euphoria, ego-softening, very strong empathgenic effects (closeness, lovey doves feeling, feeling more open, etc), a bit more talkative and social, body tingles, heightened senses (which include enhanced colors, clear crisp music). I also had sex on MDAI and it felt better: harder to achieve orgasm (I am female). I feel very "one" with my boyfriend while having sex with him, very in-tune with each other. In also did not have any trouble sleeping on it, after about 4 hours the effects waned...and as they did I had more of a relaxed feeling wash over me which made it easy to sleep. The effects are harder to notice when you are out such as bar because I think it has stronger empathgenic effects than anything. It has no stimulation at all so I would add some stimulant for more of an MDMA type feel.

Does anyone know how your brain would react taking MDAI after a night of MDMA?
 
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Hi Parachute

Thanks for the info - much appreciated. Some info says MDAI both releases serotonin and inhibits dopamine reuptake. This could be kind of therapeutic, I guess, but I don't know how much so after a night on the MDMA. Probably depends on MDMA's mechanism. Clearly I'm no neurologist (!) but if I was considering it, I would be careful to confirm that I'm not doing more of the same to my brain, but something different instead.

Thanks again for the info. Anyone else get jiggy on MDAI + Ethylphenidate combined?
 
Movemauser said:
We can't do that on BL.
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Ironic, because we can't buy MDMA (by law), but that doesn't stop us. Rules mean nothing in drug culture. ;)
MDAI by itself is quite sedating and can be underwhelming, but added with a stimulant it is a whole new character. Very, very, very close to MDMA in terms of desired positive effects.
 
Also - yeah I was wondering the effects of MDAI after MDMA because it could help with the hangover of MDMA? But I don't want serotonin syndrome nor do I want to over do it. I am not neurologist either but would the effects of MDAI (serotonin release) help lift your mood the day after MDMA just like taking 5-HTP? I really have no clue on the subject except some basic ideas on it. Any info would be appreciated.

Ps. I didn't try any ethyl + MDAI.
 
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Also - yeah I was wondering the effects of MDAI after MDMA because it could help with the hangover of MDMA? But I don't want serotonin syndrome nor do I want to over do it. .
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That's just what I'm thinking. 5-htp to my understanding acts as a therapeutic serotonin production enhancer. MDAI however is stated as not only doing that, but also acting as a reuptake inhibitor for seretonin, norepinephrine and dopamine. So its action is a bit more mental. I'm only getting the technical stuff off wikipedia by the way!

With my limited knowledge, I would avoid using MDAI therapeutically, as it seems to be more on the recreational side so has more pronounced effects. Although toxicity is low, I am guessing there may be a risk of psychosis. Your point about serotonin syndrome may well be valid.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this...?
 
You know, I've been reading a lot about MDAI. Lots of people talk about feeling chilled, ego-free and smiley, positive feeling. That's fine. What I'm not hoping for is this 'one with the universe' deep and meaningful stuff that some people have written about. I did all that with acid and smoking when I was younger!

I think nowadays I'm thoughtful and philosophical enough when I'm straight. I'm getting high *ahem*...researching... for excitement and interest - not meditation. I really hope that works out! :) Reckon I might end up having a couple of beers with my preliminary 1/2mg of etizolam. Bit of a cocktail though isn't it... moderate amounts, I reckon.
 
Movemauser said:
You know, I've been reading a lot about MDAI. Lots of people talk about feeling chilled, ego-free and smiley, positive feeling. That's fine. What I'm not hoping for is this 'one with the universe' deep and meaningful stuff that some people have written about. I did all that with acid and smoking when I was younger!

I think nowadays I'm thoughtful and philosophical enough when I'm straight. I'm getting high *ahem*...researching... for excitement and interest - not meditation. I really hope that works out! :) Reckon I might end up having a couple of beers with my preliminary 1/2mg of etizolam. Bit of a cocktail though isn't it... moderate amounts, I reckon.
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Think of MDMA without ANY stimulant properties with lessened visual effects (although still there). That to me is what MDAI feels like. MDAI is for a night of chilling IMO.
 
parachuteantics said:
would the effects of MDAI (serotonin release) help lift your mood the day after MDMA just like taking 5-HTP?
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NO. The last thing you want during an MDMA hangover is more serotonin release. That would lead to additional depletion of serotonin, despite taking 5-HTP. 5-HTP will raise your serotonin levels very temporarily. The thing is, when you release that much serotonin, you get an overexpression of MAO, which destroys serotonin. The more serotonin you release, the more MAO will be produced, leading to the immediate destruction of the meager amounts of serotonin left in your neurons. Plus, taking more serotonin releasers will cause a dysfunction of the enzymes responsible for producing serotonin such as Tryptophan Hydroxylase.

What you really want to do during an MDMA hangover is take 5-HTP in combination with a Green Tea extract, eat healthy and sleep. Taking MDAI will just make you feel worse afterwards.
 
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NO. The last thing you want during an MDMA hangover is more serotonin release. That would lead to additional depletion of serotonin, despite taking 5-HTP. 5-HTP will raise your serotonin levels very temporarily. The thing is, when you release that much serotonin, you get an overexpression of MAO, which destroys serotonin. The more serotonin you release, the more MAO will be produced, leading to the immediate destruction of the meager amounts of serotonin left in your neurons. Plus, taking more serotonin releasers will cause a dysfunction of the enzymes responsible for producing serotonin such as Tryptophan Hydroxylase.

What you really want to do during an MDMA hangover is take 5-HTP in combination with a Green Tea extract, eat healthy and sleep. Taking MDAI will just make you feel worse afterwards.
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Thanks for the clairification.
 
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