Israel and Gaza

[farmaz]

I gather you're a bitter, lost, lonely, racist tosspiece. Do you have a wife or girlfriend? When was the last time someone said to you "I love you"? Do you have a job or hope of much improving your shitty life?

Seriously fella, keep your pity for yourself. You're going to need it.

You have no idea about me, just to fill you in a small bit & feel free to check my old posts to check I am being honest.

Engaged to an American/Norwegian, Moving to Norway by May 2013 as I have work lined up, last time someone said I love you was today from my fiance & my future step daughter, I am not racist I don't judge skin colour please find a post where I have been racist.

I am not bitter, I have no reason to be, not lost ither. I have no idea what a "tosspiece" may be tbh, sounds yet again to have homosexual overtones

 

[Sepher]

Look. This is what happens. Israel and Gaza start lobbing rockets at each other and the whole thing escalates into vicious tit-for-tat exchanges about who's got the best fucking life and fittest girlfriend on an internet forum.

I hope you're reading this Tony the Tiger, I just hope you're reading this. This is why it's always about Israel. When did this happen last time anyone started banging on about the Sudan or Hindus eh, answer me that then! You can't can you.

 

[Tony The Tiger]

Look. This is what happens. Israel and Gaza start lobbing rockets at each other and the whole thing escalates into vicious tit-for-tat exchanges about who's got the best fucking life and fittest girlfriend on an internet forum.

I hope you're reading this Tony the Tiger, I just hope you're reading this. This is why it's always about Israel. When did this happen last time anyone started banging on about the Sudan or Hindus eh, answer me that then! You can't can you.

Oh the humanity. Won't somebody think of the internet forums

 

[Mental Kenny]

Just read through the last few pages.

To Tony the Tiger: if you think the reason people care about the current conflict is because they're closet anti-semites you must be a proper simple-minded fool. Most people feel disgust at heavy ordnance and white phosphorous being dropped in areas with a high density of civilian population.

Even if the original target was a legitimate one, armed militants, if you unleash that kind of firepower in a urban area you will cause heavy civilian casualties, the Israeli chain of command is aware of this, yet goes ahead with strikes. That is state terrorism, you know you will kill scores of civilians, yet you go ahead with the strikes, it's criminal behaviour.

On the other side-topic that was started:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." --Voltaire

Having said that, I believe that the conspiracy theories involving jews are as bad and unintellectual as the opinions voiced by morons such as Tony the Tiger, two faces of the same medal really. To think that jews meet in some kind of underground bunker to discuss global dominiation is so silly, I wouldn't believe even after a week long MDPV and David Icke marathon.

The Jewish people are as diverse as all other people on the planet. They're not like fish in a school that move all together. A Hasidic jew from Brooklyn who despises arabs and sends his kids in the IDF has as much in common with a liberal sandal wearing jewish college professor from Berkley as I have with a horse. To think that they're both part of some sort of some plotting syndicate is insane.

 

[Tony The Tiger]

Just read through the last few pages.

To Tony the Tiger: if you think the reason people care about the current conflict is because they're closet anti-semites you must be a proper simple-minded fool. Most people feel disgust at heavy ordnance and white phosphorous being dropped in areas with a high density of civilian population.

Even if the original target was a legitimate one, armed militants, if you unleash that kind of firepower in a urban area you will cause heavy civilian casualties, the Israeli chain of command is aware of this, yet goes ahead with strikes. That is state terrorism, you know you will kill scores of civilians, yet you go ahead with the strikes, it's criminal behaviour.

On the other side-topic that was started:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." --Voltaire

Having said that, I believe that the conspiracy theories involving jews are as bad and unintellectual as the opionions voiced by morons such as Tony the Tiger, two faces of the same medal really. To think that jews meet in some kind of underground bunker to discuss global dominiation is so silly, I wouldn't believe even after a week long MDPV and David Icke marathon.

The Jewish people are as diverse as all other people on the planet. They're not like fish in a school that move all together. A Hasidic jew from Brooklyn who despises arabs and sends his kids in the IDF has as much in common with a liberal sandal wearing jewish college professor from Berkley as I have with a horse. To think that they're both part of some sort of some plotting syndicate is insane.

That or trend followers, yeah. Perhaps even just a bit slow. What do you suggest they do because nothing short of leaving Israel altogether would stop these rockets being fired at them? You seem to be on the Arab side purely because Israel is more powerful and consequently suffers fewer casualties. Should they just take it because the people firing the rockets and organising the firing of said rockets run into densely populated areas among women and children or what? It is obvious what will happen if you do that - therefore whose fault is it that those innocent people die? It's an obvious chain of events, almost certainly designed to feed you the necessary propaganda to get you reved up because all they can do is martyr their citizens to stoke up the stupid, the anti-semetics and their followers.

Israel have made it quite clear they aren't going to take this. So if it's so important these innocent people don't get caught up in this violence, then perhaps Palestinians/Gazans shouldn't pick fights they can't win. It's just common sense, even if you think the Israelis have slighted you. Just accept you lost, almost all the Palestinians old enough to have any semblance of a claim to that land are as dead as the Israelis who were originally invoked by the Zionists to take it back in the first place.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Just accept you lost, almost all the Palestinians old enough to have any semblance of a claim to that land are as dead as the Israelis who were originally invoked by the Zionists to take it back in the first place.

My grandfather on my mother's side of the family is currently living in a that major shithole of a country known as Syria with the only desire of dying and be buried in his homeland. He won't get it though as the Jews kicked the entire family out of their houses in Haifa back in 1948. They didn't lose, if it weren't for the 3 billion a year in military aid the Israelis get, they would have been kicked out back to Russia, Poland and Ukraine. Trust me the more this war goes on the more the Israelis will suffer in rightful retribution once Uncle Sam is too skint to help.

 

[Tony The Tiger]

My grandfather on my mother's side of the family is currently living in a that major shithole of a country known as Syria with the only desire of dying and be buried in his homeland. He won't get it though as the Jews kicked the entire family out of their houses in Haifa back in 1948. They didn't lose, if it weren't for the 3 billion a year in military aid the Israelis get, they would have been kicked out back to Russia, Poland and Ukraine. Trust me the more this war goes on the more the Israelis will suffer in rightful retribution once Uncle Sam is too skint to help.

Did the Arabs get their own way or not? They lost. It doesn't matter if it was thanks to Americas help or not.

The Israelis you seek retribution on didn't really do anything more than your grandfather, and your use of Jew instead of Israeli as a blanket term only serves to show that indeed it stems from anti-semitism. Your grandfather was moved from one worthless piece of desert to another, and there was no doubt a Jew who got displaced from a worthless piece of desert to his. Your attitude hints at a holocaust II, and you wonder why the Israelis would never give up? Which of course is pretty much the only way they can stop the rockets without being the bad guy in your eyes.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Did the Arabs get their own way or not? They lost. It doesn't matter if it was thanks to Americas help or not.

The Israelis you seek retribution on didn't really do anything more than your grandfather, and your use of Jew instead of Israeli as a blanket term only serves to show that indeed it stems from anti-semitism. Your grandfather was moved from one worthless piece of desert to another, and there was no doubt a Jew who got displaced from a worthless piece of desert to his. Your attitude hints at a holocaust II, and you wonder why the Israelis would never give up? Which of course is pretty much the only way they can stop the rockets without being the bad guy in your eyes.

You seem to have misread my post. Nowhere I said I advocate violence, go and read my post again. I said that the retribution is likely to come one day and will be harsher the more this pointless war drags on.

On my choice of words, well I'd like to inform you that when a lot of Palestinians, like my grandfather and his family, were kicked out the State of Israel did not yet exist, it was in the preceding months to independence, they were not Israelis, they were Jewish militias, like those that engaged in terrorist acts against the British. The IDF did not yet exist at the time.

Your pathetic attempts at playing the race card really show your lack of argument, go read my previous post where I give my opinion on the conspiracy theories, you'll see that your accusation of anti-semitism is completely off the mark

 

[Tony The Tiger]

You seem to have misread my post. Nowhere I said I advocate violence, go and read my post again. I said that the retribution is likely to come one day and will be harsher the more this pointless war drags on.

On my choice of words, well I'd like to inform you that when a lot of Palestinians, like my grandfather and his family, were kicked out the State of Israel did not yet exist, it was in the preceding months to independence, they were not Israelis, they were Jewish militias, like those that engaged in terrorist acts against the British. The IDF did not yet exist at the time.

Your pathetic attempts at playing the race card really show your lack of argument, go read my previous post where I give my opinion on the conspiracy theories, you'll that your accusation of anti-semitism is completely off the mark

Sorry but it did seem like you were longing for the day they faced retribution. You also seem to be suggesting that the Israelis will just pack up their bags and move to avert some sort of predicted catastrophe if they don't? Get real..

When your grandfather and your family left, Palestine wasn't actually a recognised state or a state in it's own right, was it? Not any more than the Israel we now know. Nevertheless those were Zionist militias, made up of Jews. It is just a common trend I have seen among many Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, and rabid anti-Israelis in general, that they generally always choose to play the ethnic/religious Jew element of this issue when really it is an oversimplification and leads to the conspiracy theories you say you dislike?

Now this picture to me seems anti-semetic and wouldn't go amiss in some of the Nazi literature i've seen (or the neo-Nazi literature to be honest), but it was in the Guardian.

I don't think you're a foaming at the mouth Nazi or anything.

 

[knock]

Anyone who gets worked up about this stuff, yet is not there and can do fuck all about it. What do you think you are? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

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YOU CAN DO FUCK ALL.

 

[Tony The Tiger]

Anyone who gets worked up about this stuff, yet is not there and can do fuck all about it. What do you think you are? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

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YOU CAN DO FUCK ALL.

I agree, there are other issues in the world, like I said. Always Israel. The sad thing is that this is taking up people's time who could be doing something about an issue they could affect. Or at the very least just save their breath.

 

[knock]

Glad we have come to a meeting of minds tony tiger!

 

[Mental Kenny]

Anyone who gets worked up about this stuff, yet is not there and can do fuck all about it. What do you think you are? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

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YOU CAN DO FUCK ALL.

What makes you think you can't do anything about it?

 

[knock]

Not being there not really understanding what it's like, not speaking the languages, having limited firepower and limited negotiation skills.

 

[pinkpapaver]

i'm waiting for the rockets to fly over my house on the way to and from dudley

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I am not racist I don't judge skin colour please find a post where I have been racist.

Let's deal in 100% facts here......


5) Protocols of the elders of Zion is not fake and makes their Jewish plan very clear for anyone to read.



"Arbeit macht frei"

Next question.

 

[tambourine-man]

What makes you think you can't do anything about it?

Probably thousands of years of intractable religious violence - this being only the latest new and improved flavour.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

they generally always choose to play the ethnic/religious Jew element of this issue when really it is an oversimplification and leads to the conspiracy theories you say you dislike?

Speaking of gross over-simplifications, generalizations and conspiracy theories.

At least the other "anti-Israel" or "anti-zionists" in this thread have the decency to hide their primary reason for caring about this mess being anti-semitism.

The thing that gives it away most is that none of you ever really seem to bring up the plight of Hindus losing their land in Pakistan, the millions dead in Sudan, the millions of Jews booted out across the middle east, or the oppressed people's of West Africa under Moroccan rule.

You're as much of a joke as Farmboy.

 

[Tony The Tiger]

Speaking of gross over-simplifications, generalizations and conspiracy theories.



You're as much of a joke as Farmboy.

If it makes you feel any better I think you are probably just a trend follower rather than an anti-semite. Try thinking for yourself or broadening the range of issues you care about beyond the tiny list dictated to you by the most recent historical fashion trends on university campuses and I might take something you say seriously.

 

[Ceres]

Now this picture to me seems anti-semetic and wouldn't go amiss in some of the Nazi literature i've seen (or the neo-Nazi literature to be honest), but it was in the Guardian.

Can you explain why this picture seem "anti-semetic" to you please.