The Big & Dandy N-Ethyl-Norketamine Thread
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amanitadine
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Said it before, will say it again, there are several inconsistencies in Adders report that have resulted in many concluding it is a work of fiction, just SAR speculation. Take it with a grain of salt, or barrel if you will.
knock
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I've plugged this, it wasn't any better than sniffing.
why wouldnt he mention it was fiction? did adder ever coment on the question "are the reports genuine?"
Virgin Test: 50mg sublingual N-Ethyl-NorKetamine (NENK)
One day after a friend's wonderful report I got my own parcel and decided to imbide as well, 50mg sublingual as he recommended.
Physical fitness was not good: I'm recovering from a bacterial lung infection and am on Amoxicillin. The time of day was just right though: the early morning, without having had breakfast, just after my morning coffee kicked in.
T+0:00h -- I sprinkled the 50mg saltlike glistennig powder under my tongue and mixed with saliva. It dissolved easier than MXE and aside from MXE's bitterness there was a minty/camphoraceous but FOUL taste to it, not unlike what one would expect of an organochlorine ketone. I don't use "disgusting" easily but this chemn tasted particularly bad, bitterness was moderate. Also prominent was a greater degree of anesthesia of the tongue and mouth lining than with MXE. After 10 minutes I swallowed and chased with some water.
T+0.15h -- it could clearly be felt that effects were coming about, a bit earlier than MXE. Its more vasoconstrictive than MXE: cold fingers and toes!
T+0:20h -- The effect was relatively more stoning and peaceful, but also less euphoric and miraculous than MXE. There was a tendency to close the eyes, behind closed eyes a fformless three dimensional shifting mist was faintly seen. In this mist, things appeared and dissolved.
T+0:30h -- Full bladder, had to take a pee, a stronger effect than with MXE Visuals were faint but very rich: fishes, stromatolites, onderwater life, far more animal life and less inorganic matter than usual for me on MXE. The gram potency was such that, though different in nature, 50mg sublingual NENK was approximately equivalent to 20-25mg sublingual MXE, it felt a little shy of half as potent.
T+0:45h -- Phosphene salvos were shooting and boiling away in exquisite detail, but the short duration of action is the kiss of death of this compound. While the visions wanted to psychologically intensify I could already feel the NENK getting pulled off the receptors.
T+1:00h -- The visually rewarding phase ended and I ate my breakfast. Second full bladder, NENK is really taking the piss!
T+1:30h -- mostly sober, but in mildly enhanced mood and a wee bit intoxicated still.
Will I take this substance again? Yes, of the stash I have, in higher dose. Would I buy more? At forty bucks a gram, absolutely not, it has to drop to about 15 to be in sane equilibrium with the common prices of MXE and Ketamine.
Overall a nice but mild experience.
One day after a friend's wonderful report I got my own parcel and decided to imbide as well, 50mg sublingual as he recommended.
Physical fitness was not good: I'm recovering from a bacterial lung infection and am on Amoxicillin. The time of day was just right though: the early morning, without having had breakfast, just after my morning coffee kicked in.
T+0:00h -- I sprinkled the 50mg saltlike glistennig powder under my tongue and mixed with saliva. It dissolved easier than MXE and aside from MXE's bitterness there was a minty/camphoraceous but FOUL taste to it, not unlike what one would expect of an organochlorine ketone. I don't use "disgusting" easily but this chemn tasted particularly bad, bitterness was moderate. Also prominent was a greater degree of anesthesia of the tongue and mouth lining than with MXE. After 10 minutes I swallowed and chased with some water.
T+0.15h -- it could clearly be felt that effects were coming about, a bit earlier than MXE. Its more vasoconstrictive than MXE: cold fingers and toes!
T+0:20h -- The effect was relatively more stoning and peaceful, but also less euphoric and miraculous than MXE. There was a tendency to close the eyes, behind closed eyes a fformless three dimensional shifting mist was faintly seen. In this mist, things appeared and dissolved.
T+0:30h -- Full bladder, had to take a pee, a stronger effect than with MXE Visuals were faint but very rich: fishes, stromatolites, onderwater life, far more animal life and less inorganic matter than usual for me on MXE. The gram potency was such that, though different in nature, 50mg sublingual NENK was approximately equivalent to 20-25mg sublingual MXE, it felt a little shy of half as potent.
T+0:45h -- Phosphene salvos were shooting and boiling away in exquisite detail, but the short duration of action is the kiss of death of this compound. While the visions wanted to psychologically intensify I could already feel the NENK getting pulled off the receptors.
T+1:00h -- The visually rewarding phase ended and I ate my breakfast. Second full bladder, NENK is really taking the piss!
T+1:30h -- mostly sober, but in mildly enhanced mood and a wee bit intoxicated still.
Will I take this substance again? Yes, of the stash I have, in higher dose. Would I buy more? At forty bucks a gram, absolutely not, it has to drop to about 15 to be in sane equilibrium with the common prices of MXE and Ketamine.
Overall a nice but mild experience.
coolcucumber
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MXE seems infinitely better.
My dissociative tolerance is relatively low, at this point I could hole off a total of 100mg MXE and when I was pristine this was about 80mg, so a tolerance of +25% Please note that the visuals were FAINT but present. Interestingly I just been back to bed to catch some extra sleep (the NENK made me feel like it) and once there there was more such imagery, so its well possible that NENK's potency is not too far removed from that of Norketamine. It still interfered with my hypnogogic phase.
About nasal, this topic is full of bloodied noses, and also plugged up ones, which might indicate that nasal bioavailability may be low. This could have many reasons, such as the NENK damaging or rendering less active the permeability. Given its vasoconstriction, that might well be through decreased blood supply to the mucous membrane of the nose.
Theories a plenty
My tolerance is miniscule, if I were to take 40mg MXE now it might well be a near overwhelming experience.
We must crack this nut guys, there must be some way short of injecting that will make this drug shine.
About nasal, this topic is full of bloodied noses, and also plugged up ones, which might indicate that nasal bioavailability may be low. This could have many reasons, such as the NENK damaging or rendering less active the permeability. Given its vasoconstriction, that might well be through decreased blood supply to the mucous membrane of the nose.
Theories a plenty
My tolerance is miniscule, if I were to take 40mg MXE now it might well be a near overwhelming experience.
We must crack this nut guys, there must be some way short of injecting that will make this drug shine.
amanitadine
Bluelighter
Why does everyone have such faith that this molecule will eventually "shine"? Sure, SAR suggests n-ethyl is moving in the right direction, but SAR is only so good, a prediction. There is a reason why Parke- Davis went with N-methyl, as well as 2- chloro as opposed to bromine, etc. Who knows why . . but they were nothing but thorough in their trials. Maybe this compound just sucks. All indications are just such.
@wayab:
I see MXE has a potency 1.5x that of Ketamine
You see 220mg NENK doing what 150mg Ketamine does
I guesstimated a potency for NENK of approximately 1/2 relative to MXE
The numbers add up, I think we might be seeing the same thing.
Approximately:
50mg MXE = 75mg K = 100mg NENK
65mg MXE = 100mg K = 130mg NENK
100mg MXE = 150mg K = 200mg NENK
I see MXE has a potency 1.5x that of Ketamine
You see 220mg NENK doing what 150mg Ketamine does
I guesstimated a potency for NENK of approximately 1/2 relative to MXE
The numbers add up, I think we might be seeing the same thing.
Approximately:
50mg MXE = 75mg K = 100mg NENK
65mg MXE = 100mg K = 130mg NENK
100mg MXE = 150mg K = 200mg NENK
Obsidius
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^asante: you ever tried to hole on NENK via sublingually ingesting like 200mg at once?
i tried about 150 intranasal but it did nothing more than the equivalent of 30-40mg MXE to me, besides blocking and bloodying my nose. i guess nasal is a shit ROA and someone mentioned NENK was pretty inactive plugged. so if you dont wanna IM, there is only sublingual left i guess.
i tried about 150 intranasal but it did nothing more than the equivalent of 30-40mg MXE to me, besides blocking and bloodying my nose. i guess nasal is a shit ROA and someone mentioned NENK was pretty inactive plugged. so if you dont wanna IM, there is only sublingual left i guess.
I decided to not let it be a complete waste and take 30mg Methoxetamine sublingual. 10 minutes, 20 minutes, tis proceeded to ram me with synergistic dissociative effect. At 40min I was very much under the influnce and wolfed down a peanutbutter sandwich.
I sat on the toilet and closed my eyes. I saw the darkness lighting up and breaking up int three dimensional space. I was gonna Hole! A sacred moment! At that point the cartoon character Eric Cartman appeared, between me and the Hole, aiming a bullhorn at me shouting "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUCK MY BALLS, MR GARRISON?!" I thought "oh shit, now you've done it!
This was hitting me so hard, I took 3mg Bromazepam (equivalent of 5mg valium) and headed for bed. In bed I heard (hearing only starts for me at 120+mg MXE normally) Cartman's voice "OH MY GOD THEY HOLED ASANTE! YOU BASTARDS!"
I plunged into a unique Hole. All the profundity was there, but also the mundane. unlike most of my MXE holes this was high velocity, I zapped between the most unlikely viewpoints seeing and experiencing things I've never seen at great speed, all across the universe.
The Hole was intense and very rapid, it had its own flavor by combining the NENK with MXE. It was a VERY favorable place to be in, I'm still gobsmacked at the variety of experience I encountered.
The Hole lasted from 1:45-3:30 in the experiment, a good solid 1 3/4 hour of WILD exciting yet profound Hole.
As disappointed I was, as excited I am now about the synergism between NENK and MXE. This was AWESOME!
Obsidius, if NENK blocks your nose that isnt just inconvenience, its also drug not entering your system, so yes it does seem nasal sucks for NENK. And thats not to mention all those nosebleeds all over this thread. NENK just doesnt sit well in the nose, it doesnt get absorbed and it bleeds.
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Obsidius
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^asante, would a 95% EtOH solution with NENK be better for sublingual absorbtion? i was thinking 100mg-150mg in 2-4ml, depending on how well it dissolves and then holding the liquid under your tongue for 10 minutes. the sideeffects of the nose arent worth the hassle with NENK, but if sublingual works, i'd try this ROA.
The syngery with MXE sounds interesting, since MXE alone got boring for me. i usually mix it with an phen or tryptamine these days.
^^danharper01: i heared its pretty much inactive oral, like ketamine is.
The syngery with MXE sounds interesting, since MXE alone got boring for me. i usually mix it with an phen or tryptamine these days.
^^danharper01: i heared its pretty much inactive oral, like ketamine is.
Jesusgreen
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I'd love to hear some reports of higher sublingual doses, or maybe IM. Seems like nasal admin isn't the way to go with this chem then, and I sort of had a niggling feeling this might be the case.
I'd particularly like to hear about ~150mg-200mg sublingual for example, just to see if at this higher level it provides a more full experience or if with sublingual this compound is lacklustre too even at higher doses.
I might have to get my hands on this just for experiment's sake if it isn't already illegal before I do.
I'd particularly like to hear about ~150mg-200mg sublingual for example, just to see if at this higher level it provides a more full experience or if with sublingual this compound is lacklustre too even at higher doses.
I might have to get my hands on this just for experiment's sake if it isn't already illegal before I do.
Incunabula
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That's quite a mouthful of bitterness, isn't it?
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Ugh, yeah. I'm not much one for putting chemicals in my mouth in the first place, and that seems like a lot of powder. Good luck to those of you who are willing to experiment with this ROA though - it seems like it could be more worthwhile than snorting. I'll watch you and the IM/IV experimenters from the sidelines...
Jesusgreen
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Fair point. Anything beats the chemical burns from dosing 2C-xs sublingually without first dissolving them in solution though. Which I'm guilty of having dumbly tried.
