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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 5)

Survived Abortion said:
You shouldn't be combining these two at all. aMT is an MAOI, so no wonder it causes major potentiation of 6-APB. There is a very real risk of serotonin syndrome with the combo you are suggesting.
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I'm aware of this. Been bitten on the arse with it once where the experience briefly threatened to get away from me till it settled at the peak dropping both together, fully understand the risks. I believe the MAOI action of aMT is a little overstated, it being a fairly weak one, but caution absolutely advised. Not a recommendation but I'm well enough versed with the combo to dose it right for me, always with the staggering advised above. Thanks for your concern all the same! Quite right to state that, for others' benefit reading as well as my own. :)

A scale should be used no matter what. Even if it's just to stay in the habit.
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Agreed. Like I said, eye-balling is not something I would ordinarily recommend. I was quite explicit on that point! ;)
 
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what doses do you use for the amt/6apb combo?

i find amt very stimulating even at low doses so combining with another stim must be some crazy stimulation?
 
Taking each on their own, not comboing I usually do 250mg 6-APB, 100mg aMT, standard doses for me. Never, ever go higher than 100mg aMT come what may. Not a good idea for me. Deemed to be high doses for some people those anyways, the 6-APB at least. Comboed 150-200mg 6-APB, leave to fully peak, at least two hours till I know there's nothing left of the come-up to drive anything further, then 80mg aMT absolute max, sometimes I stay nearer 50mg if I'm just after adding visuals with a bit more of a psychedelic style headspace to the 6.

Kinda depends what I want to be dominating the experience really, friendly, chilled-out stim or something more properly psychedelic. Serenely euphoric blissful stuff either which way, hugely so. :) YMMV! I've worked up ( and perhaps more accurately, occasionally down after further adjustment! :\ ) to these doses over the last 12-18 months. Caution is absolutely advised, as per SA's post.
 
I love 6-APB and all, but I really think AMT should not be adulterated with anything. It's just such a fantastic drug, and from reading experiences it seems you can get a whole different experience from changing the dose alone.

I think both would be terrible at a club/rave, never mind a combo. 6-APB has music enhancement like no other, but felt very lazy. AMT was extremely trippy AND rolly at 55mg for me, and I had massive life-changing revelations. Thanks go to JesusGreen for being the final line of persuasion to fuel my curiosity for it. ;)
 
David the Chansey said:
I think both would be terrible at a club/rave, never mind a combo. 6-APB has music enhancement like no other, but felt very lazy.
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I only ever use it on big nights out at clubs etc. great fun. Although I'm trying the 5/6 apb combo this week see if it gives extra punch :D
 
David the Chansey said:
I think both would be terrible at a club/rave, never mind a combo. 6-APB has music enhancement like no other, but felt very lazy.
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You might want to consider 6-APB + MPA for clubbing material. It makes a good combo. The MPA adds a cleaner, pushier stimulant hit to cut through what can be the perfectly chilled but quite lazy heaviness of the 6-APB just as you say. Nice synergy between the two, 6-APB suddenly becoming a lot more visual for someone who normally gets no visuals at all from it, and added enough energy and bounce to get the dancing shoes working. Not as much as with E though, it's no MDMA replacement. Comedown is rougher than the usual 6-APB comedown, really thick-headed and foggy, ok after a sleep. No suicide Tuesdays from it. If you do consider it be aware MPA is a methamphetamine analogue acting on the dopamine pleasure / reward system. Some addictive potential there perhaps.

It's just such a fantastic drug, and from reading experiences it seems you can get a whole different experience from changing the dose alone.
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True dat! Very different at different doses. Once you've played with those the attractions of other differences in combo become worthy of investigation though. ;)
 
Hello everyone :)

Are there any means of testing the substance to determine whether it's the real deal or not? Sending it to the laboratory is out of the question, unfortunately.

The thing is, a friend of mine recently purchased another batch of 6 apb and after testing 100mg, the effects comprised of a rather nauseous comeup, and after 1,5h of lying down on the bed, followed around 3 hours of being slightly alert, no visuals, no special feelings, barely no music appreciation, just the feeling of immense coldness and dilated pupils.

After all the reading done on the effects of 6 apb this surely can't be the 'real stuff', although another friend claims the stuff looks the same as the last time they tried it and it was supposedly great...
 
^ 6-APB should show similar results to MDMA in Mecke and Marquis reagent tests - there's a lot of chemicals this wouldn't rule out, but if it doesn't show similar results you can rule out it being 6-APB for certain.

Do you have existing tolerance to MDMA or similar compounds? If you do this could substantially reduce effects. Also, 100mg for many people is not enough, it's usually enough to get a pleasant experience but not the strong intense rushes of amazing euphoria that people tend to find at higher doses. For me 150mg is my ideal dose.

It's also quite possible what you have is 6-APB but of a lower quality/impure, many people have reported poor effects from lower quality 6-APB at a medium-regular dose, but then when upping it to a high dose the effects are more consistent and better. I personally found weaker 6-APB to be disappointing at normal doses, but at slightly higher doses than higher quality stuff it produced similar results.

Spiral Arm said:
Is there any reason to think 6-APB might have MAOI properties? I seemed to experience considerable potentiation taking 4-ACO-DMT a couple of hours after 6-APB.
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6-APB like MDA produces psychedelic effects and is expected to be a 5HT2A agonist, this should explain any potentiation.

Also, even combining the less psychedelic MDMA + Psychedelics, or even to some extent straight stimulants and psychedelics usually results in at least some potentiation of both drugs.

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Also, smoked micro doses (repeated 1mg and 2mg doses) of aMT on the comedown of 6-APB - given that aMT technically shouldn't be much more of an MAOI than many drugs we don't regard as MAOIs like amphetamine, I figured attempting to smoke 1mg would be safe given with oral a good dose for me is 50mg - and it would not be dangerous at this level, similar to how even combined releasers and MAOIs like PMA and PMMA can be safe if taken at minute doses.

After smoking 1mg I noticed some mild boost in effects but was still feeling the 6-APB comedown, so I waited approx 20-30 minutes to see how far the effects would build, then repeated this a few more times. After smoking around 10mg over a period of 3-4 hours the euphoria was back at a level similar to the 6-APB peak, albeit less rushy and more relaxed and calm, kind of more similar to MDMA.

No symptoms of excess serotonin like hot flashes, nausea etc were noted - the level of euphoria increase with such low doses was rather surprising though.

I wouldn't recommend anyone trying this combination until we know more about the safety of it.

That said, a lot of people are doing this combo anyway, and if you must, I'd recommend the smoked ROA and working your way up using 0.5-1mg doses, as this way you're able to titrate your way to a safe dosage rather than eating an amount orally and it all hitting you at once - you can notice if the effects start getting unpleasant/too intense. Also, there was a lot of potentiation and as such, a few mgs smoked should be more than enough anyway.
 
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Thanks for the answer!

I was doing ecstasy approx. 8 years ago for less than a year. I thought about a higher dose but I'm afraid of the come up then - the nausea was awful enough already. Dunno, it just seemed weird to me that this would be the 'real thing'. :/ There was some 5-MeO-MipT about a month ago (14mg), could this be the problem?
 
Hey guys,

I'd like to hear your opinions about mixing 5-/6-APB in general and especially for the first experience with the APB-family. I'm experienced with several of the mdma analogues, both in good and very very bad ways.
I'm thinking about trying 100 mg in total with a ratio of 50:50 or 60:40 (6-APB:5-APB) to keep it on the safe side (I'm really not the thinnest person so this should be an okay dose).


So, what are your experiences with this mix, is there a strong synergy (Are 50 mg each of 5- and 6-APB equal to say 100 mg 6-APB intensity-wise or maybe more?) or is taking them isolated maybe the way to go?

From what I've read so far it seems to be a great combination although I got the impression that negative side effects (like the ones leading up to serotonin syndrome with large doses) are a bit more likely to occur. But of course this is very subjective. I'd just like your take on this whole subject ;)

Thanks, gonna keep you updated
 
I've only done the combo once so far, and it was with the 5-APB HCl now doing the rounds, not the previously available succinate. The HCl seems to have more oomph weight by weight according to some reports I've read. Obviously I can't make the comparison. 100mg 5 HCl half insufflated / half oral + 100mg 6 succinate oral was a very nice mix for me. It was certainly more than 200mg 6-APB on it's own which would tend to confirm relative potency somewhat. Not too much for me, but then I do 250mg 6-APB as a matter of course and have pushes as hard as 300mg ( verging too much there ).

Typical mixes I've seen quite a few users opt for is around 40% 5 / 60% 6, and then there are APB mix pellets doing the rounds which are 50mg 5 / 60mg 6 IIRC, not very far away from a similar ratio. General consensus based on my past reading seems to be dose the 5 a little lower than the 6, even with the succinate. As in all things, YMMV! Others will take a different view on relative dosing no doubt.

So, 60:40 split 6:5, 100mg total exactly as you suggest sounds very reasonable for a first experiment. You may find you need higher to get what you want from it but good starting point I would agree.

Few thoughts on the combo originally posted elsewhere:

a cheeky little cocktail of ~100mg 5-APB, mostly insufflated, currently 2 hours in, with the addition of ~100mg 6-APB, oral at about +1hrs. Results so far are, shall we say, interesting. Quite noticeably coming up on it at the 30mins mark, quite strong effects felt at +1hr, and still climbing with the extra kick from the 6 now becoming more and more apparent.

Not quite what I expected. Still feels very subtle and gentle at that dose. I perhaps expected more, though tolerance from last weekends experiments would be one issue, and I generally dose really high with 6-APB as a rule also, single dose of 250mg would be average. Stimulation, mood lift are there, not so sure there's much energy to it though? No visual disturbances to speak of. No real patterning or colouration on surfaces for instance as yet, didn't expect there would be as get precious little of that from the 6. Not quite as euphoric or empathic ( entactogenic might be a better word here? ) as I'd have expected, though always difficult to fully test those qualities when you're sat at home on yer tod, ain't it? Need people and things to really test fully. I'm expecting the 6-APB to add to the nonsense quotient somewhat. Further reports in due course.

+3.5hrs feels very much business as usual these last few hours now the 6-APB has made its presence known and settled down. It's got less of a mental space to it I'd say, 5 compared to 6. It's more straightforwardly stimmy. Got a good bit of jaw tension / gurning going actually now I think on it which I don't get too much of at all with 6 on it's own, even at higher doses, 250-300mg. Sweating a little more, occasional hot and colds exactly as I'd expect from pretty much any drug in this class, no biggie, no body load worth mentioning really to speak of. Just very, very chilled out, tunes sounding bloody good, having a little armchair boogie to myself of a night in on me own. Good! :)

+9.5hrs Aaaaand still going some some 9 and a half hours in, but definitely on the long slow slide back down. Will be a good few hours yet before I can sleep, sure about that, but on the whole a pretty smooth and enjoyable ride throughout, remarkably consistent in character. No real urge to redose now I'm coming down, know that would be a waste of good drugs would be more properly active again this time around next weekend. Didn't become massively much more visual, though there are tints and colour washes and the merest hint of a regular pattern overlaying itself and repeating across the surface rather than deep in the texture of things like you'd get with your 'classic' psychedelics.
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Yeah, usually I'm not that cautious with dosages but I've read quite a lot of reports with signs of serotonin syndrome so I'd like to stay on the safe side for now. I've got both of them as succinate, so maybe I'll do a little adjusting but that's it. What I definitely want to avoid is redosing.

Thank you!
 
Tried the 6&5 combo over weekend. Brilliant times had. As usual in my bar/club environment. Was gonna be long night so shared 100mg 6apb and 50mg 5apb into 5 capsules and swallowed them at intervals over about 4hours. Few ciders over the course of night too. The 5 gives it that energy kick. Superb. No bad comedown either but no sleep until next afternoon.
 
I know, i asked this over and over (but never got a decent answer) but why is it, that i don't get the euphoria i knew from MDMA (for example) nowadays? Whatever serotogenic compound i may take, i feel there should be euphoria but it just isn't there - i'm stimulated, more chatty etc., but that's it - and no, i'm not awaiting too much! Is it possible for receptors to really change in a way, that doing serotogenics doesn't do a damn thing anymore? Can this happen with too much abuse in ones perhaps?

I mean i do get euphoric, with mxe for example, but it's an other kind of euphoria/happiness.

Thing is, i did the 6APB today the 2nd time ever (first time @60mgs just gave me headache; it's almost a year ago) and it was ok, like above said, i was more social/chatty (after the somewhat strange come-up), grinding my teeth etc., even my pupils are dilated like i haven't seen them years, but there's no euphoria.

It isn't really the problem of not having it, i'd be more interested in the reason why?
 
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Tonight's the night.

Sooo considering my weight, having both of them in succinate form, your responses and quite a lot of reading I decided to go with 140 mg total with a 60:40 ratio of 6- and 5-APB :)

Let's see what these are made of.

EDIT: 2 hours have passed, reached a stable, but low plateau. A bit disappointing up until now
 
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can't wait to try this again, in a great environment like a show or festival. def beats taking nasty adulterated ecstasy pills, and people are right: music enhancement is the true strength to be found here.
 
Well, Well...Never say never =D

After 2 hours I got really impatient with the effects. They had already set in approx. 1 hour after ingestion, so nothing was happening which left a pretty bad feeling. The result: I redosed (slowly in a careful manner) and 1 hour ago I took ~110 mg 6-APB which are coming on right now...God damnit FINALLY what I was looking for ^^

EDIT: Holy shit, oooooh yes ^^ The initial 140 mg in total weren't even able to produce a kind of lasting, nice, low-plateau trip. Now I've got to 120 mg 5-APB and 230 mg 6-APB and finally the serotonin is rollin'
 
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That would be a huge dose for me, when I tried it I was going to a free party in a club, put on by my mates! Anyway had 50mgs 5APB and 60mgs of 6APB! Come up just like md for me, slight anxiety but no jitteryness, the next four hours were filled with running round the club chatting to everyone I hadn't seen for a while! Normally whilst on md I keep myself to myself (honeymoon defo over) been eating md for 14 years! Anyway 6 hours after ingestion I thought it would be wise to have a cheeky line off mxe! Tut tut, this is when things got messy, I left the loo's and 15mins later I could feel mxe creeping on, had a girl sat on my lap kissing me, another 15mins pass and my mate describes me completely blanking this rather hot lady, I was apparently just staring at the bar, but my mate says nothing had changed, I could see barmaids dancing ontop of the bar and loads of flashing Christmas lights around them! Anyways I didn't come round til we were half way home only too be told I was kicked out for being too fucked(blasphemy)

Becareful mixing 5 & 6 APB in an unusual environment, being in a club is much different than ROLLING at home, it was pretty weird but enjoyable none the less, but take lower doses still if you plan indulging in a bit of mxe, the results are Extremely Hallucinigenic!
 
Yeah it really is and somehow destroys some of its attractiveness for me, guess it must be my weight.

Am I understanding you right that you had some sort of "blackouts" when throwing mxe into the mix?
 
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