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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

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Sonny Jim said:
Milk thistle (Silybum marianum)

Daily maintenance dose:
you want about 180mg of silymarin (actual silymarin content) twice daily. That's 180mg of silymarin (might be written as silybin or flavanolignans) . The amount of silymarin is alawys going to be less the the actual total dried weight of the Milk thistle herb in the tab/capsule. For example the Thompson's one's have 420mg of silymarin (written as 420mg silybin from memory) but have a total amount of dried Milk thistle herb as being something like 3500mg. By the way, Thompsons are one of the best OTC for quality and value IMHO but break them in half and space out the dosing by 45minutes if they bug your stomach, not that I am expecting they'd cause you trouble. They are supposed to be a 2 in 1 dose but I'm not sure if they are time release. This would make things more complicated so maybe crush them if they're the hard tabs.

I like to take it with a bit of food and one other thing I'll add is that very high doses can make soe people feel a bit light headed and maybe be a bit rough in the guts. This should be non existent at the recommended dose. If you want to take more than the recommended dose I recommend splitting it into two doses by about 2 hours.

Milk thistle as a powerful prophylactic :D

The main idea with dosing Milk Thistle is to have your liver saturated with silymarin before you ingest your liver toxins, which is as simple as taking the tablets an hour or so. I usually take at least 200mg silymarin an hour before but a little more, like a whole crushed Thompsons might be better if it's tolerated. I

not directed at you breno or anyone in particulars. I want to say that this stuff really does work (provided you get quality silymarin and most Aussie stuff seems good mate!) but I am not suggesting it can be used to take more liver toxin than you might usually. Just add it to your regular drug taking and you should experience some benefits. In the long term this is a very powerful herb capable of restoring the liver function tests of many booze fucked livers...maybe tell your parents about it ;) a mildly fucked liver can cause all kinds of mildly fucked health concerns, maybe difficult to lose weight IMHO.
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I wanna let people know from first hand experience that milk thistle works. At one stage I was chewing on panadeine extra like lolllies (500apap/15 codiene) and drinking huge amounts of alcohol till I had stabbing pains from my liver and shitting clay coloured logs. From that stage I stated taking nearly a 100g of milk thistle ( yes, taking 3-4 30,000mg tabs) a day and CWE. and things started to get better. Now my shits are a healthy brown, no pain from the liver and had an ultra sound done with nothing wrong showing up.
Everyone should look at taking Milk Thistle.
 
Machete said:
How did this go? If 600mg didn't work, I'd be surprised if anything did because of the ceiling. Maybe you're one of those people who doesn't metabolise codeine well/at all.
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that's what i'm thinking as well - there's no point in trial after trial, increasing to such doses only to wind up being ineffective.

i don't say this very often but, if you're wanting an opiate buzz you may have to resort to something stronger, ie - oxycodone or morphine for example and see how that goes. i don;t recommend this for HR reasons but it seems codeine isn't working for you so try moving on up the ladder in hopes of results.
 
Just want to interject with buzz-killing warning: don't think for a second that CWE codeine isn't addictive. A few years ago when I started doing this I kept on reading how apparently weak-arse codeine is, but trust me, if you use this regularly suddenly you'll need >900mg a day to feel normal, and then you'll end up on Sub-maintenance, which is even worse....

Make sure you spread the highs out, at least a week in between, or you'll most likely look back and regret it....

Also some people have an allele where they convert a lot more codeine to morphine in their liver than other people do, so watch out for that. I certainly had it.
 
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^ Got to agree with that, I think most people here are pretty switched on and informed and aware as to the risks though. Lurkers - be warned ;)

IMO a big risk with codeine use is that it easily leads onto stronger opies when codeine doesn't hit the spot anymore. Even after using codeine daily for over a year the wd's were very mild for me, and although everyone is different I don't think they're the biggest concern when it comes to codeine. The psychological compulsion to use can be dangerous, and doesn't just disappear when codeine stops having an effect.
 
anyone get extreme itches to 'StrongPainXtra' , but not usually get such bad itches to other codeine products?

I seem to, want to see if I have some strange allergy to it, or if they might be putting shit in it that causes this reaction to stop excessive use.
 
^thats what i figured mate. and at <NO PRICES!> for 2 boxes, jst aint worth my time and hassle. ive got 3 repeats on 2m xannies anyway but am more aftrer opiates then nethning.mind u when i did PST years back i felt pretty chillled n noddy, fuck i dno, goldfish brain of mine.....grrr
 
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indybreaker said:
so I dare say im a poor metabolizer as I did a 1060mg batch on the weekend and felt nothing.....
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Dont give up just yet man, thats what happened to me. If you read all my posts when I first started I was saying its rubbish and does not work well at all. Its sort of like weed, the first few times no matter what quality/quantity I would smoke I wouldnt feel a damn thing (yes I was puffing correctly). Same as codeine, dont quote me on it but somehow the body has to adjust itself to it. It takes multiple tries, dont give up on it yet I say.

Ive had friends who rolled the first time with us and we all took the same pills. It took 2.5-3 hours for my first timer mate to feel any effects whereas we were rollin balls within 20 mins. Experiment with less, a first timer should never ever dose that much (1g +) , a lot of people on here are about HR yet dont say anything about that high dose which is potentially lethal especially if ur body isnt used to it. Just because u dont feel anything (positive effects of the codeine) does not mean there are no risks involved. Try with 300mg and do it a few times, itll work trust me:) Being a non metabolizer is rarer that you think.
 
I'm done with the whole codeine thing, after 3 years of hitting it mega hard it was just fucking me up mentally and physically, and those concrete poos are just over the top.
 
Headaches mainly, I was prescribed pure codeine initially for a back injury, after a while the codeine was having little no effect on that but I found that in the last few weeks before I quit whenever I took codeine I would get these incredible pressure headaches around my temples that nothing would shift, then I got a blocked bowel that was fucking terrible, and also I generally could just instinctively tell that the prolonged daily codeine use was just no good for me, it wasn't as hard to give up as I though, after a few days I seemed to be pretty much over it.

I was taking 300mg twice a day when I was at the end, and I mean every day for months, not good and I'm not proud of it, it was a stupid thing to do..
 
Finding myself quite addicted with the 40x10 codeine packs getting as cheap as they are.

I broke down to my doctor, because finding myself taking up to 1.5 grams of codeine nearly every day, without even feeling any high, getting to the point where heroin is fucking cheaper and easier to procure... Set myself up with an appointment to a suboxone/methadone doctor, doesn't look like it's until november some time.

That said, It's been 3 days clean, and today I just downed a good 170ml of Rikodeine (320mg dihydrocodeine) and a good 70ml of robotussin (DXM 30mg x 10ml from memory).... No high at all, just feeling like a fucking junkie. And I know tomorrow I'm going to drive to a few chemists and get a gram of codeine to tide me over... Feels pretty fucking bad knowing It's just out of sheer boredom that I dose up on this drug. The fact I am no longer prescribed xanax for my anxiety led me to this addiction.

At least my doctor took my pleas for help seriously, I've heard stories of codeine addicts getting fobbed off as it's a relatively minor drug in terms of it's potency. That said, I did also go through 100x 50mg tramadol in less than a week. Along side codeine. with 10mg valium on top just in case seizures come about... :/


I should also mention as I read above, someone whinging about the "concrete poos" ... Yeah, my arse was bleeding the other day, bled for 2 days after "giving birth". Fucked.
 
indybreaker said:
^thats what i figured mate. and at <NO PRICES!> for 2 boxes, jst aint worth my time and hassle. ive got 3 repeats on 2m xannies anyway but am more aftrer opiates then nethning.mind u when i did PST years back i felt pretty chillled n noddy, fuck i dno, goldfish brain of mine.....grrr
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yeah, give up on it, bro. i support you 100% behind that decision. you could spend the amount of money you're wasting on the codeine and buy yourself a stronger opioid.
 
ive all n all probaly attempted about 13 -15 CWE's so im going to stop. i agree with u tentram but the only reason i tried codeine is as its easiest opioid to get. arghhh and after reading ur thoughts sustanon now i dont know...should i keep trying....should i stop? how are babies made>?....etc....etc....
 
how long does the high of codeine last for most people?

last time i CWE'd 600mg i felt euphoric from 30 minute to 40 minute mark and then just a bit more blue than usual, almost not worth the effort
 
goodluck with it all mate! sounds like ur in a bit of a troubled area, but i wish u the best of success in getting out of this boredem and beginning to get on top of things

Stato said:
Finding myself quite addicted with the 40x10 codeine packs getting as cheap as they are.

I broke down to my doctor, because finding myself taking up to 1.5 grams of codeine nearly every day, without even feeling any high, getting to the point where heroin is fucking cheaper and easier to procure... Set myself up with an appointment to a suboxone/methadone doctor, doesn't look like it's until november some time.

That said, It's been 3 days clean, and today I just downed a good 170ml of Rikodeine (320mg dihydrocodeine) and a good 70ml of robotussin (DXM 30mg x 10ml from memory).... No high at all, just feeling like a fucking junkie. And I know tomorrow I'm going to drive to a few chemists and get a gram of codeine to tide me over... Feels pretty fucking bad knowing It's just out of sheer boredom that I dose up on this drug. The fact I am no longer prescribed xanax for my anxiety led me to this addiction.

At least my doctor took my pleas for help seriously, I've heard stories of codeine addicts getting fobbed off as it's a relatively minor drug in terms of it's potency. That said, I did also go through 100x 50mg tramadol in less than a week. Along side codeine. with 10mg valium on top just in case seizures come about... :/


I should also mention as I read above, someone whinging about the "concrete poos" ... Yeah, my arse was bleeding the other day, bled for 2 days after "giving birth". Fucked.
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indybreaker said:
goodluck with it all mate! sounds like ur in a bit of a troubled area, but i wish u the best of success in getting out of this boredem and beginning to get on top of things
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Cheers mate. It's made even worse with the fact I'm drug tested and they don't seem to care about OTC things like codeine. ....


Ended up eating 2mg xanax and 50mg of valium to feel any sort of relief yesterday. although that tells me my tolerance is lowering!!
 
i just caved and got a 600mg codeine and waiting for a mate to come round and give me another box. this is the last time i try and if it doesnt work then i hang up my gloves.
 
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