tentram
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redosing isn't effective in my opinion. overall it only prolongs the analgesia for myself.
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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]
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yeah, IMO the best way to make use of this thread is to use it to learn the simple but fundamental physical chemical principals which make a CWE work, then we aren't reliant on the opinion of people who may not understand CWEs very well to save us and it becomes easy to pick the gems of info in each person's posted notes on CWE (regardless of their specific CWE knowledge) as we make our own techniques better.
Maybe trying to see this thread as a student-teacher thing where you can click the link and find the "best" way to CWE is a bit beyond the capabilities of what this thread can offer convincingly right now?
re brands
A few years ago (not sure about now) a good rule of thumb for CWE-able tabs was to choose the cheap generics, even panafen was a bit too "advanced formulation" for my liking. I found they dissolved way too quick and way too much ibuprofen taste was coming through into the CWE.
Ibuprofen has a peppery/burny effect/taste (it's an mucus membrane irritant and corrosive topically) and it's good practice IMO for CWEers to buy a $2pack of ibuprofen, dissolved some in water and taste it, spit it out!
it's good to know if your CWE taste heaps like ibuprofen.edits: typos, probably didn't even get them all
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88brenno
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Agree, but when someone asks you how YOU done it personally it is a different story, especially when they have tried it before with bad results, if you are going to perform a CWE then obviously you should read many posts and other techniques as it could be dangerous, if you don't know that then stick to coffee for fucks sake. After reading other people advising him to use 100-200 mL that is ridiculous and unnecessary with what he is using, and I am suprised you did not quote that person when posting.
My technique is fine I use very little water kept cold at all times and as you can see above that was 40 pills worth ran through 3 different filters, it just sounds like your implying I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to CWE yet everyone I have taught loves the method, he had tried other methods and I told him my method which works quickly and efficiently.
My technique is fine I use very little water kept cold at all times and as you can see above that was 40 pills worth ran through 3 different filters, it just sounds like your implying I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to CWE yet everyone I have taught loves the method, he had tried other methods and I told him my method which works quickly and efficiently.
indybreaker
Bluelighter
and your method has been the most effective and best yet. I have read through this thread since it was created and if Ive pissed anyone off for the constant questions then just remember it is for HR and that I have read everything and researched before posting as it became quite curious as to why it wasnt working for me.
Dr Phibes
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I thought that PST was way more difficult than CWE. Harder to source, process (especially to get right), and unpredictable. Am I under an illusion?
Dr Phibes
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That is a really good point. I think we can all take something away from that. Or not.
pinkanga
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Nah just as annoying. .... <snip> and you shake for 10mins. Just as annoying as a CWE. Maybe a little more annoying, and way less hassle than going to a chemist.
In other news I got a box of 100 pan fortes this week. I thought yes this is going to take the pressure off for a while. No need to hit multiple chemists etc... well they lasted less than a week. Too easy. Theyre right there in there drawer... Im no working til 4pm... bam there goes 600mg.
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Jakeperson
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I would say PST is even easier than CWE. Way less involved and you don't have to wait for the shit to drip through a coffee or lab filter.
Dr Phibes
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If you take the right drugs and have a few spare hours you may discover, like me, that the light actually goes off when you close the fridge. Sonny Jim.
Dr Phibes
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Was my first thought, especially with Ibu based. 25ml??. use 150ml Ibu is almost completely insoluble.
Ashley
Bluelight Crew
I tried PST today for only the third time, but this time with excellent results. Previously, I had tried 100g and then 300g (not noticing much at all from either). Today I dosed 600-800g of poppy seeds and I quite enjoyed it's effects. I find it far superior to codeine, and I have been consuming codeine semi-regularly over the last couple months. The seeds came from <snip> by the way, so I was quite surprised at how potent the high was / is (PST has legs!). 
Ash.
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Dr Phibes
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^ I tried it for the first time ever today thanks to posters like you Ash and others, (you know who you are) and I am impressed. Used 500g in the end (started small).
and others, (you know who you are) and I am impressed. Used 500g in the end (started small).
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bobbydarren
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far more exercise involved with pst, and the sadness of getting a result 1 use, but nothing or barely anything the next time.
Btw, Has anyone noticed possibly toxic side effects from pst. I am now sure pst is the cause. My left ankle/foot becomes engorged and bright red and hot . If I press on the foot where it is bloated, a white mark will appear and it will be many seconds before the white mark goes away. What is happening is that my left foot/ankle [entire lower leg really] is filling up with fluid [fluid retention]. It will be red and bulging, and will eventually return to normal a number of days later.
From my limited knowledge this may indicate TOXINS IN PST CAUSING TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT KIDNEY DAMAGE!!! Maybe thebaine?
Interested if anyone else has noticed this side effect. Never had this reaction from clean [pharma] opiates.
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88brenno
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Damn bro how does one get prescribed 50,000 mg of paracetamol at once
Dr phibes/Ash,
Dont you find ibuprofen is too much of a pain to CWE taking longer and ending up with a milkier product? Not to mention some of them have that plastic coating on them. I could be biased though just eating one or two hurts my stomach sometimes a little.
Does anyone here take milk thistle? I looked at my dads bottle and it said 2.5g 2 times per day, the strongest dose i found was 7g 3 times per day yet I read somewhere on BL someone found 35g so what kind of doses are you on?
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I find that paracetamol is way to toxic to even fathom doing a CWE on para/cody tabs.
No way!, I have made one when desperate but I couldn't bring my self to drink it. Your first mistake could easily be your last with high dose made out of para/cody tabs.
paracetamol is also more soluble than ibuprofen in cold water so that is another good reason not to but neither ibu or para is actually safe in anything other than the very short term anyway.
No way!, I have made one when desperate but I couldn't bring my self to drink it. Your first mistake could easily be your last with high dose made out of para/cody tabs.
paracetamol is also more soluble than ibuprofen in cold water so that is another good reason not to but neither ibu or para is actually safe in anything other than the very short term anyway.
88brenno
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I understand the risk associated with daily use of ANY NSAID is bad, hence my asking about milk thistle, I have my technique so down packed, and am extremely careful handling filters ect, there's not too much room for error providing minimal amount of water is used and kept cold at all times.
Ibuprofen just takes too long to filter IMO and it can get easy to be impatient with ibuprofen.
Ibuprofen just takes too long to filter IMO and it can get easy to be impatient with ibuprofen.
Ashley
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It really isn't as dangerous as you are making it out to be. If you look at how soluble both paracetamol and codeine actually are in cold water, you will realise that it is much safer than you think.
For example, 1g of paracetamol will dissolve in about 70mL of cold water; it is however much more soluble in hot water. Even if you used 200mL of water for your CWE, there would be the equivalent of two 500mg standard Panadol tablets remaining in your solution. Ibuprofen on the other hand is extremely insoluble in both cold and hot water (but still more soluble in warmer water), with less than 1mg dissolving in 1mL of water. So again, even if you used 200mL of cold water for your extraction, you would end up with less than the equivalent of one 200mg standard Nurofen tablet.
People consume these amounts of the aforementioned OTC painkillers daily all over the world every day without any problem. At the end of the day, 200-400mg of ibuprofen or 500-1000mg of paracetamol isn't going to harm you. They are the recommended doses on the boxes! Not the maximum daily dose, just the standard recommended dose for an adult. Granted, over-consumption of anything is not a good thing, that goes without saying.
But really.. Just don't use like 2L of water for your CWE, and everything will be apples.
Ash.
88brenno
Greenlighter
I am well aware of the solubility, anyway you are wrong about daily use not being harmful at even 500mg
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