RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V1

[Blake7]

I had a little trouble finding a vein but now redosed with 54mg. Feel slightly lethargic so far.

EDit - Didn't feel much difference after my redose but I did get a bit more energy after a while.


I know nothing of dexmethylphenidate personally I'm afraid

EDIT - ^^ This seems to be disscussed in this thread but didn't follow it to it's conclusion.

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=158704

hope the link's allowed

 

[Thanatos]

That link didn't discuss the Dex-stereo isomer of MPH... 32 pages is a lot to scan for. Hopefully someone can give a yes or no answer.

 

[uyillusion]

Dosage: 40mg (+ 17mg 1 hour in + 20mg 1hr 50 mins in)
ROA: Oral
Other Drugs: Alcohol (8.2 units over 3.5 hours)
Subject: Healthy 96 KGs
Experience: 4-FA (150-170mgs), MDMA(80-100mgs), Cannabis, GBL(1.5-2.1 mls)

So I have experience with 4-FA last taken 3 weeks ago; MDMA last taken 80mg 2 weeks ago
and years since I last tried cannabis and GBL. Thought I would try something different
this week so I decided to order some Ethylphenidate which will be my first time with this
substance. Watching some rugby and ill be comparing this to 4-FA alot.

T-0: Swallowed a 40mg bomb on a 2 hour empty stomach.

T-7: A little jaw tightness already? cant be...

T-17: Feeling it a little now, looking good.

T-31: Come up similar to 4-FA but less intense more control, more jaw tension for sure haha

T-38: Chatting to friends on FB, still feeling good, very smooth feeling. Enjoyable not sure
if i prefer it over 4-FA? But perhaps I do lol.

T-45: Feels like a dose of 130-140mgs of 4-FA so far, not as strong as im used to but the
urge to talk is perhaps the same as 150mgs of 4-FA. Feel a little heart pressure not much but more
than 4-FA for sure.

T-51: My view? I highly recommend this; the dose amount has worked very well.

T-1 hr: 17mg bomb down the hatch, experience seems to have leveled out. Perhaps 40mg wasnt
the right spot although I still feel very good

T-1hr 4 mins: My thoughts seem to concentrate on 1 thing when I focus, but I guess thats no surprise
really since methylphenidate is a treatment for ADHD and I can now see why its used haha. Much less
of an urge to chat compared to 4-FA.

T-1hr 25mins: Definite feeling of time distortion, time feels to move a little slower; something
i've felt on the come up of 4-FA.

T-1hr 50mins: 20mg bomb down the hatch, last one I think to time the end of the evening haha. 4-FA
might be neurotoxic but its less moreish as Ive never redosed with 4-FA.

T-2hrs 11mins: One of the major downsides to this is that it doesnt last very long. Why I like 4-FA
is because 1 bomb and im good for the night. Feeling great however.

T-2hrs 27mins: Feeling quite stimulated now, the clearness of earlier is harder to find.

T-3hrs 11mins: Starting to come down now. Went to bed around an hour and 10 minutes after this update, had trouble sleeping so perhaps
I nodded off 2 hours later.

NEXT DAY: Woke up around 8am feeling fine, little cloudyness in the brain I popped a multivitamin
when I went to bed with a protein shake. Feels clean, less damaging than 4-FA but much more
moreish. 40mgs seems to be a good place to start but perhaps for me not enough, Highly recommended!

 

[Cyanoide]

^

Nice report. But I really can't emphasize enough how different Ethylphenidate is when snorted. The come-up is everything but subtle, the rush is extremely strong and can be quite overwhelming. I have problems focusing on anything when it really hits me. And the crash is absolutely terrible.

 

[intelligentmind]

What does this drug compare to? Or is it completely different to other drugs? What's the high like, how long does it last & does it release serotonin and/or dopamine, or anything else in the brain?

 

[Cyanoide]

What does this drug compare to? Or is it completely different to other drugs? What's the high like, how long does it last & does it release serotonin and/or dopamine, or anything else in the brain?

Some compare it cocaine, but I don't agree. Maybe with lots of alcohol it resembles cocaine slightly. Obviously it's very much the same like Methylphenidate. But in a way it feels quite unique.

Insufflated, it hits you in a minute and the high lasts for 30-60 minutes with some residual stimulation. Strong rush, strong euphoria. But quite often many experience anxiety or even panic. Horrible comedown, especially after repeated dosing. This is very moreish stuff.

Orally, it takes about 30 minutes to feel it and the high is much more subtle and functional. The duration is about 1,5-2 hours.

Ethylpenidate is a strong dopamine and norepinephrine release inhibitor, but it definitely affects serotonin too. However it's not a plain forward stimulant the same way amphetamine is, it's a bit more messy. I don't find it to be very functional, I have difficulties concentrating on one task. EPH is not as stimulating as e.g. speed or coke.

It can be extremely nasty and frightening if you overdo it even a little bit (especially snorted), with panic attacks, heart palpitations etc. I've always found it hard to find the sweet spot. Alcohol goes together extremely well with it, alcohol takes away anxiety and jitteriness.

One of the positive sides about Ethylphenidate though is that it's one of the few RC stimulants that isn't neurotoxic.

 

[pbuilder]

Dosage: 40mg (+ 17mg 1 hour in + 20mg 1hr 50 mins in)
ROA: Oral
Other Drugs: Alcohol (8.2 units over 3.5 hours)
Subject: Healthy 96 KGs
Experience: 4-FA (150-170mgs), MDMA(80-100mgs), Cannabis, GBL(1.5-2.1 mls)

So I have experience with 4-FA last taken 3 weeks ago; MDMA last taken 80mg 2 weeks ago
and years since I last tried cannabis and GBL. Thought I would try something different
this week so I decided to order some Ethylphenidate which will be my first time with this
substance. Watching some rugby and ill be comparing this to 4-FA alot.

T-0: Swallowed a 40mg bomb on a 2 hour empty stomach.

T-7: A little jaw tightness already? cant be...

T-17: Feeling it a little now, looking good.

T-31: Come up similar to 4-FA but less intense more control, more jaw tension for sure haha

T-38: Chatting to friends on FB, still feeling good, very smooth feeling. Enjoyable not sure
if i prefer it over 4-FA? But perhaps I do lol.

T-45: Feels like a dose of 130-140mgs of 4-FA so far, not as strong as im used to but the
urge to talk is perhaps the same as 150mgs of 4-FA. Feel a little heart pressure not much but more
than 4-FA for sure.

T-51: My view? I highly recommend this; the dose amount has worked very well.

T-1 hr: 17mg bomb down the hatch, experience seems to have leveled out. Perhaps 40mg wasnt
the right spot although I still feel very good

T-1hr 4 mins: My thoughts seem to concentrate on 1 thing when I focus, but I guess thats no surprise
really since methylphenidate is a treatment for ADHD and I can now see why its used haha. Much less
of an urge to chat compared to 4-FA.

T-1hr 25mins: Definite feeling of time distortion, time feels to move a little slower; something
i've felt on the come up of 4-FA.

T-1hr 50mins: 20mg bomb down the hatch, last one I think to time the end of the evening haha. 4-FA
might be neurotoxic but its less moreish as Ive never redosed with 4-FA.

T-2hrs 11mins: One of the major downsides to this is that it doesnt last very long. Why I like 4-FA
is because 1 bomb and im good for the night. Feeling great however.

T-2hrs 27mins: Feeling quite stimulated now, the clearness of earlier is harder to find.

T-3hrs 11mins: Starting to come down now. Went to bed around an hour and 10 minutes after this update, had trouble sleeping so perhaps
I nodded off 2 hours later.

NEXT DAY: Woke up around 8am feeling fine, little cloudyness in the brain I popped a multivitamin
when I went to bed with a protein shake. Feels clean, less damaging than 4-FA but much more
moreish. 40mgs seems to be a good place to start but perhaps for me not enough, Highly recommended!

Great report, And i like how it specifys that even a dose of a grand total of 77mg's gave you issues sleeping, even just when orally ingested which should smooth out the experience. Don't confuse EPH with coke, it might have similar effects but generally the euphoria will never hit the same strong euphoric peak as cocaine can provide, which is good in a sense because even when snorted it is a more linear drug as far as instant highs and instant comedowns go comepared to blow, and at least from what I know about ritalin/methylphenidate, has a much longer half life. Being the ethylphenidate version, they likely have very similar half lifes and side effects, and thus even just a half gram of EPH in a night is well within overdose range for its brother ritalin. Thus re-dosing to attempt the peak euphoria of cocaine only adds to a building stimulatory effect that you may not have even felt yet because of its half life. That is why it can even be more dangerous than coke, because you can easily redose thinking you have already peaked when you really haven't.

I'd say compared to cocaine the absolute peak euphoria from a dose of EPH is at most 50-70% that of the peak euphoria from cocaine. If you're lucky. And add in a much longer half life, and re-dosing too often trying to chase the euphoria will do nothing but get you in trouble. My personal recommendation, don't re-dose more than AT A MINIMUM every 2 hours, preferably 3 because in this sense it is worse than cocaine, because of its longer half life,and a lower overall potential euphoric peak, you're only just exchanging a far lower peak each re-dose with a much longer lasting stim effect that can and will also lead to the same abrupt come-down and fiending, impending doom etc that coke is known for, yet with a far lower dose and without ever even reaching the same peak cocaine has to offer. Like I mentioned before, I'd say EPH is anywhere between 3-10x as potent per mg as far as potential side effects go compared to cocaine, and it has a lower overall peak of euphoria, so chasing the high is almost worst than cocaine. Tread carefully my friends.

I do recommend EPH over cocaine though to anyone tryna kick the blow habit though, cause of the longer high and less fiendish-ness of the chemical, it does have its upsides. It's kinda like a taper chem to coke in a sense. Because I would compare the actual feeling of the high close to cocaine than say even adderall. Which makes sense too because it is also a NDRI drug, very similar to cocaine. where as amphetamines in general just release large amounts of dopamine without the inhibiting effect.

 

[Cyanoide]

Great report, And i like how it specifys that even a dose of a grand total of 77mg's gave you issues sleeping, even just when orally ingested which should smooth out the experience. Don't confuse EPH with coke, it might have similar effects but generally the euphoria will never hit the same strong euphoric peak as cocaine can provide, which is good in a sense because even when snorted it is a more linear drug as far as instant highs and instant comedowns go comepared to blow, and at least from what I know about ritalin/methylphenidate, has a much longer half life. Being the ethylphenidate version, they likely have very similar half lifes and side effects, and thus even just a half gram of EPH in a night is well within overdose range for its brother ritalin. Thus re-dosing to attempt the peak euphoria of cocaine only adds to a building stimulatory effect that you may not have even felt yet because of its half life. That is why it can even be more dangerous than coke, because you can easily redose thinking you have already peaked when you really haven't.

Extremely important point. The short duration of the actual main effects tell little about the long half-life. I've made this mistake once and almost ended up in hospital. Ethylpenidate builds up even though you don't even feel it being very active, and redosing will only add to this accumulation and it can be quite dangerous. That's why I recommend redosing only when it really feels like the effects are gone, trying to increase the euphoria while peaking is almost suicidal.

 

[lynx2051]

Yeah, I have to agree that EPH is only good with alcohol.

 

[uyillusion]

So to update my report, I've had a little headache for most of the day this is not something ive experienced with 4-FA. I do get a mild ache for a few hours the day after 4-FA but that goes quickly and doesnt linger around for the day but with Ethylphenidate its lasted for nearly the whole day and has seemed more pronounced. Im not a psychopharmacologist but i will guess that the ache has been from oxidative stress.

 

[brighton]

What a good starting dosage for ethylphenidate? is 20mg equal to 10mg Methylphenidate?

 

[Blake7]

And the crash is absolutely terrible.

By the crash do you mean the horrible anxiety that sets in? I gave up ethylphenidate for that reason as dosing would lead the most unpleasant anxiety then I read a post on BL recommending etizolam. Yesterday I Iv'ed 35mg ETH, after an hour I started to feel slight anxiety so I popped an etiz and it cleared in a few minutes later. I redosed with 50mg ETH at around 2 hours. I redosed with 60mg ETH a few hours later and popped another etiz soon after. I was up for a few more hours without feeling any anxiety and popped another 2 etiz before going to bed to guarantee rapid sleep and woke refreshed this morning. Etizolam really is a miracle drug when It comes to Ethylphenidate. The two go hand in hand. Spread the word. Today I've done 160mg of Ethylphenidate and 2 etiz with no anxiety whatsoever.

I'm not planning to stick to this regime every day just in case your wondering. It was just an experiment.

 

[David the Chansey]

If you're snorting then you can just start small and adjust accordingly. If you're taking it orally then ~20mg seems to be a good starting point, but I think most people take ~50mg these days. But of course, an allergy test and slowly increasing the dosage each time is the way to go.

 

[uyillusion]

On the Friday night I had a 40mg bomb, followed by 17mg 1 hour later and then another 20mg bomb 50 minutes after that. Had a headache for the most of yesterday so I dosed a single 50mg bomb last night which set me up for the evening fine and I didnt have anymore, woke up this morning and my head is fine. 80mg felt like a little too much where 50mg oral felt the right place for me, the only problem with Ethylphenidate is that its duration is not very long at all.

 

[Psyche150]

A few days ago I did a session where I snorted five grams over roughly thirty hours before passing out. I had previously done two grams a few days prior to this so that was my tolerance level during this binge.

Before each dose I would wash my nostrils for about a minute by snorting water from cupped hands, then I would load a syringe with benzocaine and 2ml of water and squirted them up each nostril.

I would immediately snort a line of roughly 100~200mg of a mixture of racemic ethylphenidate and benzocaine powder in a 4:1 ratio, switching nostrils half way through the line.

I would wash my nostrils again fifteen minutes later.

I would repeat this roughly every 1~2 hours.

Before the binge I took 1g of magnesium and 5g of etizolam, redosing 2~4g etizolam every 4~8 hours.

The efficacy of redosing did not diminish noticeably during the binge.

I started to experience headaches best described as "pressure" after roughly twelve hours that intensified during the binge, before passing out the headaches were equivalent to a bad migraine. Laying down alleviated the headache roughly 80% but would return to previous levels of discomfort during the action of standing up or laying down.

I slept for 34 hours and woke up with no residual effects aside from a blocked nose. I had no noticeable depression or dysphoria which I was expecting. Cognitive abilities seem unimpaired. I also had approximately a dozen extremely varied, complex dreams that were very lucid and detailed. None of them were nightmares.

** I have written this report of abusing extreme doses of ethylphenidate in a binge scenario for informational purposes. Please do not attempt to extrapolate safety data from anecdotal reports. This was an extremely reckless session and could have caused long-term suffering or death. **

 

[Cyanoide]

By the crash do you mean the horrible anxiety that sets in? I gave up ethylphenidate for that reason as dosing would lead the most unpleasant anxiety then I read a post on BL recommending etizolam.

No I mean the comedown, especially after repeated nasal dosing. I get so agitated I feel like I want to kill someone. I need insane amounts of alcohol, benzos and Lyrica to kill the comedown.

 

[Psyche150]

No I mean the comedown, especially after repeated nasal dosing. I get so agitated I feel like I want to kill someone. I need insane amounts of alcohol, benzos and Lyrica to kill the comedown.

Can I inquire as to the doses and RoA of your sessions? I find 5~10g etizolam sufficient to make it tolerable, I'd take the Lyrica too if I had any. Delaying the comedown till you're ready to sleep is advisable if an option. Some very easy going stimulation helps to reduce your focus on how shitty you feel too, I use light reading material such as forums or just writing notes about any interesting thoughts you've had lately. I always find just sitting and focusing on negative thoughts compounds with your out-of-whack brain chemistry to make a much more miserable comedown than it needs to be.

That may sounds like hippy-dippy bullshit about positive thinking but it works for me. Try some things to shift your mindset in a more tolerable direction, it may give you some relief.

 

[RobotRipping]

^you do mean 5-10mg right? lol 5-10 grams would be a bit much, then again u mentioned snorting 5 grams of EPH in a few days. My best is like 3 grams in a week and i wanted to kill myself afterwards.

I was feeling kind of messed up before taking EPH the other day, like not right in the head and ever since the second line or so i snorted i've been feeling much more stable, kind of like it kick started the production of some neurochemicals to keep me balanced. I know this is unlikely but it definitely feels like it had some sort of profound effect on me.

 

[Cyanoide]

^you do mean 5-10mg right? lol 5-10 grams would be a bit much, then again u mentioned snorting 5 grams of EPH in a few days. My best is like 3 grams in a week and i wanted to kill myself afterwards.

I was feeling kind of messed up before taking EPH the other day, like not right in the head and ever since the second line or so i snorted i've been feeling much more stable, kind of like it kick started the production of some neurochemicals to keep me balanced. I know this is unlikely but it definitely feels like it had some sort of profound effect on me.

I usually snort 10-15 mg (smaller doses when redosing, usually the first line is 20-25 mg). There's nothing that helps with the comedown except for other drugs. It feels like damn fvcking hell on earth and without other drugs I'd go insane. No attitude change or "try to think positively" helps, not a bit. The only optiion left is to sedate me to the point where I don't care anymore.

 

[Psyche150]

^you do mean 5-10mg right?

Haha, yeah mg. Think 5-10g would kill an elephant.

I usually snort 10-15 mg (smaller doses when redosing, usually the first line is 20-25 mg). There's nothing that helps with the comedown except for other drugs. It feels like damn fvcking hell on earth and without other drugs I'd go insane. No attitude change or "try to think positively" helps, not a bit. The only optiion left is to sedate me to the point where I don't care anymore.

Ah, I worded myself poorly. I meant "positive thinking" is an example of the hippy bullshit that doesn't work and what I'm not suggesting. I'm saying you're going to feel shit no matter what, so pop whatever drugs that'll help but then instead of just sitting and focus on the comedown, try to occupy your mind with very light stimulation to draw some of your focus away from how shit you're feeling. Browse some easy-going forums or type up some ideas you've had lately. Those are just examples that I do, there's usually something you can do to occupy your mind somewhat so that the comedown isn't continuously your primary focus. Drugging yourself up the best you can and keeping your mind somewhat occupied on easy going tasks is a two-pronged attack that alleviates the suffering the most for myself.

I encourage anyone reading this to give it a go, drawing your focus away from the comedown with mentally untaxing activities might work for you as it does for me. I find the more you focus solely on the comedown then the more you spiral down into it and accentuate your suffering.