The Psychedelic Being

[Ismene]

I was brought back to life by "alien life support" and felt it, too.

Nobody can really tell me "nope, what you experienced did not happen".

What if some hillbilly came to you and said "I had an anal probe the other night after I drank 27 pints of budweiser". Would you automatically beleive him?

 

[coelophysis]

Not everyone is allowed the experience.
Not everyone can get there.
I don't know if you've had the experience or not honestly...

you become "one" with it, and it teaches you more information than you can fathom, including how your real living day to day life is one big lie and a giant conspiracy. Not to mention, you get to meet the aliens.


I'm going to say it one last time.
You guys have not had the experience yet.
lol

If it hasn't happened to you, there is absolutely no way in hell you can ever understand it.
guaranteed.

I'm not the only one it has happened to either. Many more around here..

You guys didn't "get the message" yet.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, just what I believe is the reason why you don't know what I mean.
you have not had the experience I speak of.
myself and others have, on various drugs.
even people I know who did it without drugs by almost dying some other way.

you seriously have to almost REALLY die for it to happen. (I think, but could be wrong)
this isn't your basic out of body experience I'm referring to..
I believe what I've experienced is the REAL out of body.

I was brought back to life by "alien life support" and felt it, too.
It felt like I was hit with a defibrillator.

Nobody can really tell me "nope, what you experienced did not happen".
I would never believe that in a million years. I KNOW what I felt. I know what happened to me.
I spent months trying to figure it out.
I don't come in here to lie.
I actually have a job now and work and am part of functioning society.

It's possible if your mind is too closed or you are too much of a know it all or a super genius who can't except that you maybe don't know everything that exists, you may never "get the message" at all. No matter how many drugs you do or how close to death you may come.


What I refer to is a step (or ten) ahead of a normal breakthrough experience.
closer to near death/really out of body.
that's when you get to meet the "real god" and real entities. But they're aliens



If anyone has felt the aliens and spirit pool like I did they'd know it right away.
a very small percentage of people it be, that's for sure.

If anyone is reading this and made it there, congratulations! Know you aren't alone and if you need help come talk to me! I can show you more about what happened to you and help you maintain your sanity! For those that haven't made it, don't strive for it.
It has to happen on it's own.
just go abut your life.
I believe if you really deserve it, it will make itself known to you in one way or another.

How can you be so positive you've had some sort of definitive experience? How can you really sit there and tell people that YOU know, and that THEY don't know. You're the one who has made a few very faint connections between completely RANDOM thoughts, you've tied them together the best you could and now you preach them as definitives.
I'm sorry to say, but you're the one who needs to work on keeping your mind open, because it seems like you're conforming to your own made up ideas and setting them in stone. Then you tell people how wrong they are and that it'll happen to them if it's meant to happen to them, but it's rare, and only you are the chosen one. (Basically)
HOW can you be so sure though of these things, how, just how?


You've done too many dissociatives. If you've got a job and you're staying clean now, that's good. I'm sure you'll come back down to earth eventually, Bowie.

 

[webbykevin]

What if some hillbilly came to you and said "I had an anal probe the other night after I drank 27 pints of budweiser". Would you automatically beleive him?

No, because i would be laughing so hard I would be unable to speak at that point.

 

[webbykevin]

How can you be so positive you've had some sort of definitive experience? How can you really sit there and tell people that YOU know, and that THEY don't know. You're the one who has made a few very faint connections between completely RANDOM thoughts, you've tied them together the best you could and now you preach them as definitives.
I'm sorry to say, but you're the one who needs to work on keeping your mind open, because it seems like you're conforming to your own made up ideas and setting them in stone. Then you tell people how wrong they are and that it'll happen to them if it's meant to happen to them, but it's rare, and only you are the chosen one. (Basically)
HOW can you be so sure though of these things, how, just how?

"it's like when a child is pestering it's father with unending questions such as who made the universe, who made god, what did god do before he made the universe, when did he make it, how long is long ago, why why why why why ?".......

...... end eventually the father says " Oh shut up and eat your bun ! ".

(Alan Watts)

 

[coelophysis]

So I am the child and eyes_wide_open is the father? Is that what you're implying?
Yeah, sure, definitely, lol.

 

[webbykevin]

So I am the child and eyes_wide_open is the father? Is that what you're implying?
Yeah, sure, definitely, lol.

No No lol, interesting that is the meaning you gave to it, Frued would have a field day with you

I meant we are asking questions that have haunted the thinking mind of man for eons, and there really is no answer to these big questions, only the enjoyment of asking them and tossing around ideas, but eventually the question is unanswerable because the subject is unspeakable.

because Tat Vamasi as the Hindu's say - You're It, and you cant bite your own teeth, and when you make the serious inquiry into the self you find there is nothing there you can describe, because the moment you try and use symbols / language you have lost the essence of the thing, it's an experience you have to have, and then you find there is no way of putting it into words.

 

[eye_wide_open]

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So I am the child and eyes_wide_open is the father? Is that what you're implying?

No, oh intelligent one! That is what you are implying! Don't worry I don't blame you for not being able to see. You haven't seen it yet.

Perhaps you'd like to hear it from somebody else, recently in the trip forum too?
You think I'm BS'ing you, but clearly, I'm not.
I hope you get the chance to see it for yourself one day but unfortunately it's risky business lol.
I don't plan to try and go back anymore myself.. (on drugs)

I swore on my travels I met with some sort of beings. I have briefly encountered some sort of spirits or something on various trips, but something about these things gave me pause, more than I would like to admit they made me wonder if they were real, a question that has never really crossed my mind on all my other psychedelic experiences. Something about the interactions with these interdimensional beings suggested intelligence,

Probably most strangely of all of these wormholes was the fact that i would close my eyes, be instantly shuttled away on a rocket ride for years, lives, etc, just to open my eyes and realize that literally no time has passed. perhaps a minute, at most. I might as well have been ripped entirely from this dimension and travelling on a parallel twisting universe, perhaps the collective unconscious or something, I dont know, I cant rightly explain it. It gave me questions I never thought I would have honestly.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...nced-Wormholes-to-Parallel-Twisting-Universes



Sorry guys, It's not just psycho me.
I have lots of people here wondering what's going on.
Please, cut the crap.

You can't deny it anymore.
It's right in your face. All over.
Just look around...
If you can't see keep looking. It's not hard.

Should I get more evidence?
because I have it.

 

[webbykevin]

Thanks eyes-wide-open for bringing the thread neatly back ON topic

So these entities, what do you think they are ? (I guess you had better be careful in your answer and make sure you use enough ambiguous words so people don't get the idea you are trying to preach that you know the truth.)

But seriously now, just what the hell is going on with so many people from aboriginal shamans to dead heads having what they describe as entity contact in the psychedelic state of hyperspace ?

What do you intuitively feel about the beings you have perceived in these states ?

Are they real, are they in your head, what else could be going on ?

I have had these kind of encounters and at the actual time of the experience it would be hard to convince me that they were not separate autonomous sentient being living or existing somehow in a different dimension that somehow I am able to access on tryptamines and other psychedelics.

Then, the more time that elapses after the experience I tend to swing more towards the "it's all happening in my head" hypothesis.

But it's soooooo real when it's actually happening, and the mushroom says some incredible things that are so alien and different to the way my mind works it just doesn't seem possible that they were thoughts or ideas buried within my own psyche.

I also have a space open for the possibility that everything is conscious in some way, and somehow what is happening on plant based hallucinogens is that we are contacting the spirit or the essence of the consciousness of that plant, and somehow it presents itself as a being or that is how it must present itself for us to not completely lose our minds.

I took Mckennas challenge and asked the mushroom to show me more of what it actually was to itself, and like Mckenna i lasted about 20 seconds before everything got so strange that I got scared and pulled out of that, well begged for it to stop actually.

And like most of us I spend a shit load more time talking about psychedelics than I do actually taking them in high doses, and as Mojave Dan used to say "If you want opinions about dogs ask people, if you really want to know about dogs ask a dog". So the answer s may lie in hyperspace and all I need is the courage to make a deeper investigation. Sounds easy when your straight, but anyone who's knees don't tremble before taking a substance haven't taken enough or gotten anywhere close to the places I'm talking about.

 

[lastest]

lol the true gods that created us are the aliens.

 

[somaeye]

it seemed not just obvious at the time but totally apparent that what was talking to me was the essence of LSD itself,

I was wondering why you thought that? Was there something more specific that made you think that?

 

[somaeye]

If anyone has felt the aliens and spirit pool like I did they'd know it right away.
a very small percentage of people it be, that's for sure.

When most people meet the true God, Psychedelics, they think God is an alien. However, to God, most people are the aliens. McKenna thought They were "machine elves". He didn't realize that he was the machine elf. He was seeing Them thru the filter of himself. He was an alien to the Realm of God, Psychedelics, because he didn't accept or believe that They are the true God. They were showing him how he looked to Them.

"But to all who did accept (Them, They) gave power to become children of God, " -- St. John, 1,12

"Do not forget, then, that there was a time when you who were pagans.... do not forget, I say, that you had no Christ and were excluded from membership of Israel, aliens with no part in the covenants with their Promise; you were immersed in this world, without hope and without God." -- Ephesians, 2,11

 

[webbykevin]

When most people meet the true God, Psychedelics, they think God is an alien. However, to God, most people are the aliens. McKenna thought They were "machine elves". He didn't realize that he was the machine elf. He was seeing Them thru the filter of himself. He was an alien to the Realm of God, Psychedelics, because he didn't accept or believe that They are the true God. They were showing him how he looked to Them.

"But to all who did accept (Them, They) gave power to become children of God, " -- St. John, 1,12

"Do not forget, then, that there was a time when you who were pagans.... do not forget, I say, that you had no Christ and were excluded from membership of Israel, aliens with no part in the covenants with their Promise; you were immersed in this world, without hope and without God." -- Ephesians, 2,11

Would it not be better (in the interests of open discussion) to instead say something like "In my opinion psychedelics are a form of God itself"
instead of preaching like you have the ultimate truth and if only we would listen to you we would have the absolute answer.

And then go on to share how your own direct experiences have lead you to this conclusion instead of just cut pasting bible verses. they, to many people including myself are vague and without foundation in reality.

 

[somaeye]

Would it not be better (in the interests of open discussion) to instead say something like "In my opinion psychedelics are a form of God itself"
instead of preaching like you have the ultimate truth and if only we would listen to you we would have the absolute answer.

Would it be better, when you see your father, instead of saying "there is my father", to instead say something like "in my opinion, that is my father"?

You don't say that because you are convinced that you are looking at your father.

Now, if there was someone who had never seen your father, they might wonder if your father actually existed. But is that going to make you wonder if he actually exists? Or, if there is a blind person next to you and you say, "there is my father", and the blind person says, "I don't see anything" -- is that going to make you wonder if your father actually exists?

"The deaf, that day, will hear the words of the book and, after shadow and darkness, the eyes of the blind will see." -- Isaiah, 29,18

 

[webbykevin]

8. Isaiah 36:12

But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

 

[SONN]

http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/enlightenment.html

^ for everyone claiming that you 'need' exogenous ligands to make 'contact' with the places your mind can go.

IMHO, fuck the bible. Any truth it may have to it is superseded by the amount of convoluted metaphorical and incoherent content of it.

 

[somaeye]

Isaiah chapter 36:
"....Then the king of Assyria sent his field commander with a large army to King Hezekiah at Jerusalem....The field commander said to them, “Tell Hezekiah:“‘This is what the great king, the king of Assyria, says: On what are you basing this confidence of yours? You say you have counsel and might for war—but you speak only empty words. On whom are you depending, that you rebel against me? .... Then Eliakim, Shebna and Joah said to the field commander, “Please speak to your servants in Aramaic, since we understand it. Don’t speak to us in Hebrew in the hearing of the people on the wall.” But the commander replied, “Was it only to your master and you that my master sent me to say these things, and not to the people sitting on the wall—who, like you, will have to eat their own excrement and drink their own urine? ”

Then the commander stood and called out in Hebrew, “Hear the words of the great king, the king of Assyria! This is what the king says: Do not let Hezekiah deceive you. He cannot deliver you! Do not let Hezekiah persuade you to trust in the Lord when he says, ‘The Lord will surely deliver us; this city will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.’....“Do not let Hezekiah mislead you when he says, ‘The Lord will deliver us.’ Have the gods of any nations ever delivered their lands from the hand of the king of Assyria?

Chapter 37
....When King Hezekiah heard this, he tore his clothes and put on sackcloth and went into the temple of the Lord. He sent Eliakim the palace administrator, Shebna the secretary, and the leading priests, all wearing sackcloth, to the prophet Isaiah.... When King Hezekiah’s officials came to Isaiah, Isaiah said to them, “Tell your master, ‘This is what the Lord says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard—those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! When he hears a certain report, I will make him want to return to his own country, and there he will fall..."

 

[folding_space]

This thread has degenerated into a shouting match about who saw the truest form of God and where.

Thanks eyes-wide-open for bringing the thread neatly back ON topic

So these entities, what do you think they are ? (I guess you had better be careful in your answer and make sure you use enough ambiguous words so people don't get the idea you are trying to preach that you know the truth.)

But seriously now, just what the hell is going on with so many people from aboriginal shamans to dead heads having what they describe as entity contact in the psychedelic state of hyperspace ?

What do you intuitively feel about the beings you have perceived in these states ?

Are they real, are they in your head, what else could be going on ?

I've provided alternative explanations to all of these questions already, and they were neatly ignored in favor of more shouting.

Why do people commonly experience entity contact while tripping?
This may occur when the psychs deactivate or impair a certain attention-like mental process responsible for the sensation that your thoughts are your own. The end result is experiencing your own thoughts in a disconnected way and inferring that if they don't feel like they're yours, they must belong to someone or something else, some sort of entity.

But these experiences feel extremely real so how can they be anything but?
The feeling of reality is a mental process that need not correlate with any sort of actual reality. This is why people can experience something like derealization. And this is why it's possible for someone to have a drug-induced experience and a sober one that both seem perfectly real despite being contradictory.

Since the de facto mode of interaction here has become throwing around quotes, I will also finish with one that comes to mind:
“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.” ---Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[Ismene]

You can't deny it anymore.
It's right in your face. All over.
Just look around...
If you can't see keep looking. It's not hard.

Should I get more evidence?
because I have it.

Well yeah mate, the trouble is the only evidence exists inside your own head everytime you are tripping.

As I've said - I could bring you 50 hillbillies who have seen aliens. Would that make you believe them?

 

[SONN]

^ I know faith does not prove anything. I know I resembled a bit of a lunatic for short periods of time in the months after my ++++.

I recently read Terrence Mckenna's True Hallucinations and it showed me a lot about the state I was in for a while, as Dennis Mckenna was in a similar one.

The thing is, if there is a 'psychedelic being', and we are somehow receiving realizations and information from it in these states, my question is WHY???

which brings me to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j40jXmXzTU

 

[Ismene]

^^

Can you be sure you arn't seeing it because you've read someone else talk about it?