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How we rolled in the 90s when the pills were super strong

The whole debate is eerily similar to discussions about the 'pre-ban 4-mmc' myth IMO. There is no super strong pre-ban meph , there were however pre-ban (and pre hype) receptor sites. I think all of this can be explained as a function of nostalgia and long term tolerance. Retail MDMA does vary wildly in subjective effects and potency by weight between different batches, more so than grey market research chemicals do. Apart from overall purity I'm inclined to believe that changing enantiomer ratios play a noticeable role with that. But I have difficulties to accept that there's been a general decrease in quality worldwide over a period of more than a decade or a sudden discontinuity, a watershed after which pills or molly were significantly lacking compared to whatever was available before.
 
Yeah, that was the last time I did Ecstasy...around 1998. I think they looked like a Mitsubishi logo...but the 1 thing I really liked, was how good-looking everyone was...=D

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People keep brining up "Ooh I see people WAY more fucked up than the ones in this video".

Well, Post the damn video then so we can see.
 
Excited says that te dose of a true pill could be the same as the 90s. But you are not the same. You have muchured, you have changed. I look at he schene now with the same eyes as then, but from a different view point. now I see these kids getting out there with orbits, leds, wands, even stringing led rods. The moves are all different. When you see these glowsticks come out in the middle of battery land you know whats up.
 
thelastclubkid said:
i agree too... its not a tolerance issue... there is something different... it could be something as simple as the synthesis process has changed and that results in a different ratio of the MDMA isomers... people who say MDMA=MDMA typically dont understand that MDMA is a combination of two MDMA isomers and the ratio determines exactly how the MDMA affects you...
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Wow, I know this is first page but I didn't see it quoted, this is so far off. mdma is mdma is mdma. If it's mdma hcl, its the same as it was any other time it was the same thing...
 
sir_thizzalot said:
Wow, I know this is first page but I didn't see it quoted, this is so far off. mdma is mdma is mdma. If it's mdma hcl, its the same as it was any other time it was the same thing...
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I gotta agree. When I roll it is mdma I am ingesting. Been rolling 12 years, responsibly, and still going strong. I have had lackluster experiences with lower doses of mdma. I take my dose and than a small redose 90 mins later, I am good.
 
Roofiezz said:
Maybe you arent all getting the right pills!? < expand who you get them from . .
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Right! I live in Alabama and havnt been able to find any mdma tabs in 3 years. All the stuff here is adulterated crap. I really stopped looking a couple years back. I would pay double if I could get a new hookup. Its really that bad here. Easier said than done. Especially for someone me and my wifes age. Early 40's.
 
fastblue said:
Right! Easier said than done. Especially for someone me and my wifes age. Early 40's.
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Man, do I relate to that!! My wife doesn't do any drugs, but I still do. It's kinda hard for a 58 yr old guy to find a connection. I can just see hanging out at the local high school..."PSSST!! Hey kid!! Got any good dope I can score?" That oughta go over well.8)
 
We rolled / acted differently in the 90's as we had less responsibilities! The scene was different - our attitudes were the same. I would guess that in 20 years time the new users of today will be reflecting back at todays raves and thinking 'OMG' how things have changed.

Must add that the pills were not really that 'Super Strong' compared to today! They way that users, use and the entire acceptance / understanding of the 'drug culture' has changed so much that we measure experience (especially with MDMA) to MG's of substance ingested.
 
Bearlove said:
Must add that the pills were not really that 'Super Strong' compared to today! They way that users, use and the entire acceptance / understanding of the 'drug culture' has changed so much that we measure experience (especially with MDMA) to MG's of substance ingested.
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After much discussion with my 90s rave pals, and doing a few new pills, the old pills definitely had a bigger kick - defo more amphet. Someone said something about isomers being a difference, I wish there was a chemist on this forum...

But again the upside is I am ready to function the next day as long as I get my valium.

I'm gonna lay it down (ready to get flamed) 1991-1994 UK pills lasted 4 times as long and were only comparable to todays super strong 200mg pills. Now I go out and the pills I currently have are v.close, but I don't get that 4hour ride without doing 3 of them. And I don't get utterly monged and blissed quite as much.

Summary -

circa early 90s pills - wasted, high, loved up, dancing solid for 4 hours, clothes soaking in sweat, totally blissed for 2 days (no doubt on huge endorphin release from dancing), pains in chest from too much strain, physically and mentally gone for a whole week.

todays (good) pills - high, dancey, last about an 60-90mins, clothes dry, no massive physical damage, mentally ok within 24 hours (albeit blissed and not feeling like doing much except chillin)
 
mark881 said:
After much discussion with my 90s rave pals, and doing a few new pills, the old pills definitely had a bigger kick - defo more amphet. Someone said something about isomers being a difference, I wish there was a chemist on this forum...

But again the upside is I am ready to function the next day as long as I get my valium.

I'm gonna lay it down (ready to get flamed) 1991-1994 UK pills lasted 4 times as long and were only comparable to todays super strong 200mg pills. Now I go out and the pills I currently have are v.close, but I don't get that 4hour ride without doing 3 of them. And I don't get utterly monged and blissed quite as much.
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I again would question your reply - can you honesty remember the purity of your pills that you took 18 years ago ? Can you honestly say that that 18 years ago you actually thought about the purity of the pills you took or the isomers it was based on? You were new to the drug - the drug was new to the scene. MDMA / RAVE / ECSTASY etc were not (yet) common names. I would also question that the amount of MDMA in a 'Love dove' from the early days contained any more MDMA than say a Defcon / Speaker of today! I personally think that in 20 years time that people will be referring to 'Speakers / Defcons' as we / you do with the early doves etc.
 
All commonly used preparations of MDMA produce racemic MDMA. AFAIK no one has been caught making it sterospecifically or steroseletively, meaning only one isomer is produced or favored. However the most common way was to make MDMA was the way Shulgin did, from PMK. Also sometimes with other methods from PMK. They would make racemic MDMA. However, I read in the UNODC 2012 World Drug Report that X cooks are now primarily using different precursors. Maybe a variation of the original Merck method or from piperonal?

Each way will produce different impurities. Often users grow to like the effects of the impurities or even cuts in street drugs. Sometimes they'll finally get pure shit or something made by a different method and be disappointed. Sometimes they're used to pure shit and get disappoint with impure shit.
 
mark881 said:
After much discussion with my 90s rave pals, and doing a few new pills, the old pills definitely had a bigger kick - defo more amphet. Someone said something about isomers being a difference, I wish there was a chemist on this forum...

But again the upside is I am ready to function the next day as long as I get my valium.

I'm gonna lay it down (ready to get flamed) 1991-1994 UK pills lasted 4 times as long and were only comparable to todays super strong 200mg pills. Now I go out and the pills I currently have are v.close, but I don't get that 4hour ride without doing 3 of them. And I don't get utterly monged and blissed quite as much.

Summary -

circa early 90s pills - wasted, high, loved up, dancing solid for 4 hours, clothes soaking in sweat, totally blissed for 2 days (no doubt on huge endorphin release from dancing), pains in chest from too much strain, physically and mentally gone for a whole week.

todays (good) pills - high, dancey, last about an 60-90mins, clothes dry, no massive physical damage, mentally ok within 24 hours (albeit blissed and not feeling like doing much except chillin)
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You've just said that you need 3 pills of today to last about 90 minutes, that isnt the pill bro, thats you, i am very new to MDMA i have taken it only 3 times, im lucky to be in the UK and get all the good quality MDMA and pills from holland, and whenever i drop it lasts about 5 hours, thats because i have no tolerance whatsoever

What you just described of 90's pills is exactly what i feel now whenever i take it, except for chest pains
 
CrazyJordan said:
You've just said that you need 3 pills of today to last about 90 minutes, that isnt the pill bro, thats you, i am very new to MDMA i have taken it only 3 times, im lucky to be in the UK and get all the good quality MDMA and pills from holland, and whenever i drop it lasts about 5 hours, thats because i have no tolerance whatsoever

What you just described of 90's pills is exactly what i feel now whenever i take it, except for chest pains
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You mis-read - 90mins is what 1 pill lasts. I don't have a great tolerance and wacked a pill for first time in 15 years in December for the Ritchie Hawtin gig. It was nice enough (Pink diamond clean as a whistle) but certainly did not give me the 'hanging jaw' wasted out my head feeling. It also had a lot less amphet in it than what I was used to. Nice enough but nowhere near old skool strength.

I agree the Dutch stuff is proper, it lasts ages unlike the mainstream pills here. I just wish the new pills wouldn't fizzle out so fast, old skool pills 4 hours banging on 1/2 pill. Now everyone I know needs 3 pills for a std night. Like tonite I'm doing 3 pills min. and so is the rest of the gang.
 
That video was great. I rolled on a lot of different pills back in like 1999 to 2000. Clubs and people were definitely different then. It's still fun now... just different, not really sure how to explain I guess. But anyways, I enjoyed the video is really all I wanted to say :)
 
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