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how much do you usually take?

130mg followed by a 70mg one an hour later. then i take a 70mg every hour or two to keep me up until the end which is bad for you.
 
@dan88 i have sources to these and they do feel kinda different than most pills i have taken. i think folley explained it pretty simple. in the synth for the MDxx thats in these pills something happened with the isomers and change its affects a bit. i still rolled super hard but it was different. i felt super lazy and all i could do was just lay there and just feel the mad euphoria. folley is right about the isomers in my opinion that is.
 
Folley said:
The Defqons/Tri Forces/Speakers/Q-Dances? Those are actually a bit weaker, MG for MG... they use special mixes of the isomers (parts that make up a chemical) in those pills, more of the R or S isomer will change the high slightly. I think the R side is weaker than the S, so the pills that have larger amounts of that isomer would actually be weaker than regular MDMA

Most MDMA is racmic (equal parts R and S), and the racmic is the most effective version of MDMA
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source?
 
I think you're probably mistaken, Folley. Producing any mixture of stereoisomers other than the racemate is more expensive, difficult, and time-consuming, and I doubt anyone would do it without advertising the product as being something different and charging more accordingly.
 
It is more expensive to put 200mg in a pill, which is why those pills sell for a lot of money, and why everyone knows that they're very strong pills. I've never heard an Ecstasy dealer talk about isomers, or anyone at all suggesting that anything other than a racemate of MDMA is being sold outside BL. If I saw a scrap of evidence to the contrary, I might consider it, but given the poverty of proof, skepticism is the rational course.
 
Vader said:
I've never heard an Ecstasy dealer talk about isomers
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Um, neither have I lol... most hardly know what MDMA is. Dealers don't have any impact on the pills they get though, so I don't see how that matters


You're free to disagree, but several people claiming to be close to the source have backed up what I said... and many people report different subjective effects. If anyone was going to do it, it would be those benevolent pressers up in Holland
 
Care to share the corroboration? Appeal to authority isn't a good look. Of course dealers have an impact on the pills they get, when something is in demand it is supplied, that's the most basic principle of economics.
 
k but vader i think theres more to this than you realize. the synth of MDMA is a complex one to say the least. there are variations in isomers in every batch i would think as every batch has slightly different effects than the last. maybe i know nothing of the synth but from experience of a lot of different pills US pill and NL pills, id say folley is correct IMHO. for instance 2 different NL pills iv taken seemed waaaaaay different. not the same feeling roll. defqons vs powerbutton/QDANCE are a world apart as far as how the roll feels. powerbutton was super intense lots of energy and defqon had low energy and lots of euphoria. not to mention the difference in gurning and eye wiggles was very noticable between the 2 pills. well that makes sense to me.
 
Vader said:
Care to share the corroboration?
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Well fine since you won't take the time to look for yourself...


Dannygauge said:
Defently not too strong but when it kicks in even half it can put you on your arse, people that dont know what old skool pills are like go for defqons but the people who do always go for speakers, speaker pills havent had the empathogenic qualities removed when synthesized unlike the red defqons.
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LucyLovesMolly said:
Although he probably really doesn't know what hes talking about. Neither do i, but here it goes.

The "S" isomer of MDMA is more potent by weight when compared to the "R". It is also more stimulating and shorter lasting.

The "R" isomer of MDMA is the least potent of the 3. It is more psychedelic and longer lasting than the "S" isomer.

Racemic MDMA (mixture of "S" and "R" isomer) is what we want. This is where the empathy and "magic" comes from.

So the mg content can only do so much when looking for the best pill.
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Dannygauge said:
Lets just say SWIM is close to people who work in labs and make these also and they fully explained removing the em pathogenic qualities in mdma.

When being synthesized they remove it only due to make people feel more fucked which alot of people want in this world due to not actually wanting to enhance how they feel dont actually understand the true mdma effects and so fourth i would right a detailed explanation but SWIM doesnt personally work in a lab. But if you ever find anyone who works in a lab they will tell you! The prices of this substance with the empathy not removed is normally double the price and you normally find most of the mdma is like these as it sells better from what ive been told.

If you dont believe me idc but SWIM is just trying to explain it correctly to people who know what true mdma thats why so many people who take mdma most of the time say ive lost the magic but when they get the empathy stuff there like YES THE MAGIC IS BACK!
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in a nutshell. i took defqons multiply times and yeah just floored basically in pure euphoria mode and low empathy for sure. very good roll though.
 
I usually plan to take 200 mg's but it always ends up over 300 anyways. 4 hours of rolling is just too short :S
 
Folley said:
Well fine since you won't take the time to look for yourself...
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I don't consider somebody talking utter bollocks as a source. I mean come on, chemists choosing to remove the empathy?! There's a lot of factors that affect how you feel on MDMA, but not one of them is that the chemist has chosen to remove the empathy
 
3 x 100mg standard ecstasy pills. That'd keep me going for 5 hours, the 3rd pill is optional, might just want to relax a bit after the 2nd.
 
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