Miami face-eater thread

"Some have speculated that Rudy Eugene was under the influence of the psychotic-like drugs.. ." ahhh yes, of course, the ol anti-psychotic antagonists. . . And terrible grammar. . .

" it's a simple synthesis, it's made up of two molecules.. " uh-huh.

Man, this story is amazing, but equally amazing is the press coverage, and the publics reaction. So depressing and hilarious at the same time. Such is the paradox of 21st century life in planet America. .
 
She believes Eugene was drugged unknowingly. The only other explanation, she said, was supernatural — that someone put a Vodou curse on him.
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That's an interesting call. lol
 
Bomboclat said:
Where is the pepperspray or tazer? Why dont the cops use tranquilizers? (though I guess with tranq's you do pose the risk of under/over dosing people).
This was an unarmed man, and although yes, he was being psychotically violent, I do not believe that shooting and killing the man was the only option.
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The cop probably didn't want to use a taser to interrupt the attack because as long as both men were still physically connected, tasering one would shock the other by contact. And the victim was old and in bad shape already.

Was the perpetrator shot as he left the victim and moved toward the cop? Sure, the cop could have used a taser here, but I dunno. I get what others are saying about this being a moment where no training can really prepare a person to keep calm and think rationally. It's sad that this happened, especially if this guy was otherwise a normal (enough) dude, and he just had one freakout. What's equally worse is the this tragedy for the victim.

CNN's now comparing the effects of "what he was on" with the effects of "ecstasy." Sounds about right. :\

Call me old and jaded, but I just don't get the whole "bath salts" movement (to be fair, I've never tried any of them) or feel any need to defend it. Legalise and regulate the non-dangerous classics (marijuana, LSD, MDMA) and there won't be a need to produce substitute highs that can be pretty dangerous because everyone will already be satisfied.
 
CNN's now comparing the effects of "what he was on" with the effects of "ecstasy." Sounds about right.

Call me old and jaded, but I just don't get the whole "bath salts" movement (to be fair, I've never tried any of them) or feel any need to defend it. Legalise and regulate the non-dangerous classics (marijuana, LSD, MDMA) and there won't be a need to produce substitute highs that can be pretty dangerous because everyone will already be satisfied.
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Yeah I agree with that.

I saw some guy on 'cops' who they found on the street naked, and very agitated. They guy was sweating so hard and having these spasms and telling the cops he was naked cos he'd been up for 3 days on bath salts and wanted to get arrested cos it was the safest place for him or some crap. I was like who the fuck wonts to take a drug like that?
 
phactor said:
He was killing another individual and would not stop and was too messed up to follow directions. That is how it goes. Same thing for a hostage situation. The hostage taker is placing another individuals life at risk, the hostage taker will be taken out if possible.
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Like I said, i understand that, I just dont feel like using deadly force was the only option. There are many ways to subdue a man that he seemed to just skip over. I get it, you need to make a fast life/death situation here, but first assess the situation and all possibilities.

In all seriousness, I understand where youre all coming from here, and I thank you for sharing your viewpoints, theyve all been very insightful and great to read/reply to. :)
 
are you serious? Moving forth and passing bills to make something illegal over "speculation?" There HASN'T been a toxicology report yet and it's spoken about like this dude was definitely on an empty-termed drug called "bathsalts." This seriously blows my mind.

I see no difference in somebody honestly speculating the use of "bathsalts" or infected by a virus and is the start of a zombie apocalypse. Both speculations are retarded and funny, but we aren't quarantining people because of a "possible" virus.
 
I see no difference in somebody honestly speculating the use of "bathsalts" or infected by a virus and is the start of a zombie apocalypse.
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You're saying, that if you were to put money on it, you could not identify either of those two possibilities as being any more likely than the other?
 
UK - The Miami face-eating case should not stampede US into a 'bath salts' ban

Guardian

David Nutt
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 31 May 2012 15.53 BST

With reader comments

Media panic about 'bath salts' in Florida's lurid story has led to calls for bans, but UK mephedrone experience argues caution

What are drug laws for?

It seems ridiculous to suggest such an obvious question, but in the midst of yet another highly-charged scramble for new drug bans, we should be asking it again and again. What are drug laws for? Drug laws are to protect people, to reduce drug harms. If a ban will not reduce the suffering or harm caused by drugs, then it should not be introduced.

The terrible story of the homeless Ronald Poppo, whose face was mauled by Rudy Eugene before Florida police shot him dead, has horrified and fascinated media audiences worldwide, and generated an explosion of misinformed and hysterical speculation. It is believed that Rudy Eugene may have taken "bath salts", which have been inaccurately described as "LSD-like" by many sources.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/31/miami-face-eating-case-bath-salts-ban
 
from what i have read they are still waiting for the toxicology report to come back from the autopsy, the whole bath salts things is still a guess by the police at this point
 
lol no that isn't what I am saying. I'm just saying that if people want to come to a conclusion and pass new laws because of a situation before the facts are released, you might as well pass new laws affecting the other popular possible cause(virus) lol it wasn't meant to be taken literal. More like a joke poking fun at the irony of the two most popular beliefs. Bathsalts, ironically being an unknown concoction of drugzz that turn you into a cannibal and a new virus that turns you into a cannibal.

For the record, if one of those were indeed the cause of this situation, I'd bet on a possible research chemical in the "bath salts". Which RC? Maby a pcp analog would be my guess. I can't see a person going through stimulant psychosis and wanting to eat.

My honest opinion is the guy had some sort of breakdown and I don't believe psychoactive chemicals were involved
Lol I should have typed /sarcasm or something :p
 
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does anyone think they ever will release a toxicology report so we'll find out with this depraved motherfucker was ACTUALLY on?

BATH SALTS is not a fucking drug, it's a unknown mixture of drugs.

and there is seemingly NO evidence leading us to believe he was on 'bath salts' other then the fact that he was eating someones face.
 
SONN said:
does anyone think they ever will release a toxicology report so we'll find out with this depraved motherfucker was ACTUALLY on?

BATH SALTS is not a fucking drug, it's a unknown mixture of drugs.

and there is seemingly NO evidence leading us to believe he was on 'bath salts' other then the fact that he was eating someones face.
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qft
 
I hate that psychedelics will get a bad rep because of this.

the RC scene is getting out of hand. Yes this man may have had an underlyinh disorder that could have been broughten out by an overdose, or yes he may have accidently taken an extremely large dose of something because he didnt know what the hell it even was, but come on. No one can think making pounds of unresearched psychoactive chemicals available to the general public is a good idea. People like the ones on this board or the ones of the inner circles of chemists who actually are safe, and use miligram scales, or maticulously lable everything to avoid a mixup, or make sure to account for set and setting, and dont go handing these out to everyone are a rare breed. The general public doesnt know shit about drugs they take. Hell most people who do drugs dont even know the most basic things about drugs that have been around for 50 years, how do you think they will act with drugs that just came out last month.

The seen should have stayed quiet, but it didnt. Now that its one your average street corner bad/weird shit will happen, and because of that the backlash on not just RC's but all psychedelics will be severe
 
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