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Overrated and underrated drugs

Znegative said:
I feel like with coke, you really have to specify how you're administering it, because in my mind coke is like three different drugs. There's insufflated coke, there's iv coke, and then there is freebase coke. Iv and free base are more similar but theyre still different.

When insufflated I think cocaine is WAY over rated, and I would prefer amphetamine any day over it. Iv coke though is so much different, its almost psychedelic IMO. I've shot quite a few stims, some with pretty good rushes too, but nothing as crazy as the IV cocaine experience. The way I see it, cocaine in general makes for a shit study aide. I've tried drawing and writing while high, but I just get too antsy. The only way I can enjoy is sort of by sitting back and just riding with it
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I have no experience with IV coke, but I do with the other 2. I agree that snorting coke and smoking freebase coke are WAAAYY different. With snorting I get wired off my balls and I feel amazing, but its such a chilled type of wired. Love to sit back have a cigrit and listen to the tunes. Smoking it tho, the instant I exhale its "HOLY SHIT I AM JESUS CHRIST I CAN DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING RIGHT FUCKING NOW!"

I prefer taking lines over smoking though, its way less jonesy and freebase makes me feel, for lack of a better term, too cracked out. But at the same time, I can't sleep after a night of lines, but I can literally pass the fuck out and sleep for 12 hours approx 20 minutes after taking a hit of rock.
 
Overrated
Benzodiazepines
lacking euphoria; highly amnesiac.
Cocaine (and to a lesser degree other stimulants)
expensive; high anxiolysis; lacking any intoxicating effect other than immediate mood-improvement.
Alcohol
Short duration of action; physical side effects.

Underrated
Intermediate Barbiturates (Particularly Butalbital -- doses around 1500 mg daily)
less amnesia than benzodiazepines; more anxiolytic effects without highly somatic effects
Carisoprodol (Soma)
More euphoric than benzodiazepines; causes more disinhibition with less side effects than ethanol.
8750 mg daily maximum dose; deteriorating cognitive skills above this dose, even in between intoxication.
Buprenorphine
In doses <4mg: causes similar euphoria without reinforcing / addict seeking behavior with full opioid agonists
(note: i've been on 4 mg of suboxone however for roughly 5 years)
 
prayersfor.rain said:
Overrated - coke, meth, ecstasy (I haven't tried much else besides pot, booze & nicotine)

Coke gives me anxiety. (so does coffee & caffeinated sodas)

Meth - I don't get any high whatsoever. I don't feel like I'm on anything. I'm just awake. For a long time. I really can't figure out what to do with all that time. It's freaking boring, being awake for so long.

Ecstasy - All I wanna do is curl into a ball and be warm, grind my teeth and chain smoke menthols for about 2 hours. I have no clue how my friends eat those pills and "go to the bar". I don't even move really.
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sounds to me like you've only been sold pure pseudo or ephrine as "meth". So people do rip people off with sh*t like that.
 
I am sorry bro but if you are not getting any high from meth obviously it's fake... Same with ecstasy.. if you can't imagine chilling at a bar or in public it sounds like you had some random RC's in your shit
 
Overrated -pot. I cant stand pot and am super annoyed by people who are so incredibly in to it. I cant function on weed and if you can smoke all day and "function," that's great. But it gets embarrassing when you want to surprise someone in a public venue to, "smoke someone up with flame weed," and the guy turns red in front of everyone else and says no. But you. Keep going and pushing throwing out words and phrases like"Fla
E" "dank" "medical grade," etc. Then they show you their grinder and Keefe and the worst- "you can tell how great it is- smell it." It smells like weed, dammit. And no, I'm not going to apply for medical marijuana because of my back. I don't garden and i don't care how many plantain can grow to make weed that tastes like blue cheese


Most underrated- crack. Mostly the social stigma surrounding crackheads, crackbabies...etc but if you are with cool people and have decent stuff, the bellringers and drugged out stories and activities are great. Its when all the crack baggage gets in the way then crack lives up to its reputation - paranoid, thieving, scheming...etc. I just liked taking great hits, having crazy conversations, and having the people and environment cool so you can throw out some shit and everyone takes turns and has a good time.
 
AlphaOdure said:
Underrated
Intermediate Barbiturates (Particularly Butalbital -- doses around 1500 mg daily)
less amnesia than benzodiazepines; more anxiolytic effects without highly somatic effects
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I totally agree with you on this one, man. Butalbital is one of my favorite drugs, not to mention it nearly completely rids me of my near-daily migraines and severe tension headaches. It's really a great medication, one that I hope never gets taken off the market in my day.
However...1500mg per day?!? Look, I've taken up to about 1000mg in one day, and that's WITH a tolerance, and it gets me so pill-drunk you would think I'd had an entire 30-pack to myself (I'm 125 lbs & never drink). 1500mg is quite excessive and around the L.D.50 for that particular drug. Just thought I'd throw that out there, because 150mg is a great therapeutic dose...shit, I take 200-300mg/day. But I'm thinking you accidentally put an extra 0 in there. The only formulations of the drug in the U.S. only have 50mg butalbital per pill (Phrenillin, Fioricet/Fiorinal). Anyways, peace out, and glad someone else out there realizes the great potential of this drug!
 
RCs are underrated. Sure, I've only done alcohol, tobacco, weed, shrooms, Kratom and speed beside them. But I see how RCs can be a lot of fun, and not as substitute of classic stims/psychs, but fun in their own unique way. Sometimes even better then the originals - I like 4-HO-MET better then shrooms. But I am a kind of person who likes variety, anyway.

Tobacco is probably most overrated drug I tried. Totally can't understand people who smoke.
 
Underrated:
-Propofol surely is the most underrated drug of all times. :D
-Tramadol is heavily underrated, because people don't know how to use it or have a poor metabolism phenotype (both absolute amounts of 3 CyP450 enzymes and their ratios, CYP2B6, CYP2D6 CYP3A4)

Overrated:
-LSD, why does it have to be acid, when there's a shitload of very potent psychedelics available in nature. Surely the low dose and non existant toxicity is pretty cool, but aside from that I don't see it doing much more than mescaline can.
 
crOOk said:
-Tramadol is heavily underrated, because people don't know how to use it or have a poor metabolism phenotype (both absolute amounts of 3 CyP450 enzymes and their ratios, CYP2B6, CYP2D6 CYP3A4)
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Amen, brother. I have had to teach many a person how to use this wonderful drug, and we're talking about people who called it a "shit drug". Then, they learn how to use it, and it's all of a sudden a favorite. Fave coming on 5 years running over here!
 
Overrated: Cannabis, alcohol (even though im a heavy binge drinker myself and enjoy it)

Underrated: Ketamine, MXE

drug that everybody needs to try......... N,N,DMT
 
Overrated: Cocaine (30 minutes decent high and 1:30 h of anxiety and cravings)
IV Heroin (Just heroin with a faster onset, not worth the risks, not that much of a rush. But maybe cause when i tried it i already had some tolerance)
(sometimes) LSD (it's good, but its not the best psychedelic, that's it.)
Underrated: IBOGAINE!!!!!!! It is the best drug ever seen. It's inspiring, ANTIaddicting, psychedelic, lasts a lot, long term antidepressant and most of all nobody says
it but is sooooooooooooo FUN!!!!! It's just the best.
 
Heroin has a very pronounced rush. If it just felt like you sniffed it only faster, than you either did too little, or your dope was crap. What you described sounds like oxycodone.

Underrated:
Propylhexedrine; better than Dextroamphetamine IMO, plus it's cheap and legal OTC style in the USA
 
^do you eat the sheets in the inhaler? im interested in trying Propylhexedrine, what's the best place to find it? just at a local drug-store?

underrated: MXE, kratom, kava
 
overrated - cocaine

underrated - I dont know how you can call a drug "underrated"
 
muvolution said:
Propylhexedrine gave me intense shared hallucinations.
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Shit, I'm sorry to hear that, sounds kind of weird/horrible. For me it feels like a nice mellow dextroamphetamine buzz. The vasoconstriction didn't really get to me like I expected, but after MDPV, I guess my standards for acceptable constriction have dropped drastically.

laCster said:
^do you eat the sheets in the inhaler? im interested in trying Propylhexedrine, what's the best place to find it? just at a local drug-store?

underrated: MXE, kratom, kava
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Yeah, what you do is just bust open the inhaler, and pull out the cotton. Then you put the cotton in a small bowl or cup, and cover it almost completely with lemon juice. 20 minutes works well (though 12 hours worked better..), and you just squeeze the cotton until it is drained into the lemon/propylhexidrine juice, and then chug it down, throwing out the cotton. Effects start after about 30 minutes.

From what I've heard, do not take this drug any other way than oral. The few reports of overdosage/death resulting from propylhexidrine, were cases when people injected the extracted chemical, which caused serious brain damage.
 
Ya, it is pretty mellow when just juicing them. I m real sensitive to stims and I can just catch a buzz off the inhalers when used as directed.

But the time we got shared hallucinations... we were extracting it with chemicals, turning it into a salt, and snorting it. It was pretty nuts.


Overrated: whippits, benzos, meth, oxycodone

Underrated: ayahuasca, passion flower (as an maoi with mushrooms), tramadol, methylone

Especially passion flower, which is perfect w/ mushrooms to make mushroom tea.
 
weekend addiction said:
underrated: lower grade weed. Sometimes I want to smoke a couple bowls and not get fucked up as hell.
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That's an interesting thought, actually. I hate smoking weed because of the anxiety, paranoia, etc. and I cant help but to get good weed. It's all incredibly potent today, at least around here. I wonder if I would have a better experience with shittier weed haha
 
Overrated - Amphetamines, I've just never found them enjoyable. Alcohol is probably the most overrated drug - even if you do get good and drunk, you're gonna hate yourself the next day when the headache, nausea, and general feeling of death tucks you into bed. And no one appreciates how stupidly dangerous it is. And this is coming from a borderline alcoholic.

Underrated - pot, benzos, kratom, mephedrone (although I admit that it can be unpredictable...but when it's good, it's fucking awesome.)
 
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