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Overrated and underrated drugs

PillToChill said:
I don't get how H can be underrated, it's known as the most addictive substance even by non-drug users. That's gotta mean it's pretty damn good and popular. (I love opiates so I don't even wanna know howmuch I'd love this.) It's already so highly rated in general..
Ok hydromorphone, oxymorphone & maybe fentanyl might be more potent/more addictive. Idk. But they're not so famous at all.

I may be wrong here. I'm a heroin virgin.
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It's funny because people just automatically assume that the more potent a substance is, the greater its addictive, habit-forming potential as well, and I think that's a fallacy of sorts.

Heroin is a potent substance for sure, but I can't imagine it being any more or less addictive than the other opiates floating around. I know that there are others who will vehemently disagree with me, but the research has shown that heroin isn't much more addictive than alcohol and that nicotine is, in fact, even more addictive than heroin.

In the scheme of things and all things considered, a substance's addictive, habit-forming potential relies on more than merely the substance itself; one has to consider an individual's body chemistry, one's predisposition to addiction, their family history and genes, as well as the route of administration.

I have never shot heroin, or any drug for that matter, but from what I've seen and what I've been told, IV heroin is a new animal altogether as opposed to when it's insufflated, for example.
 
overrated - codeine. good shit but the hype it gets in hip-hop these days and street prices for the syrup are insane. underrated - dxm when mixed with weed. fucking awesome.
 
overrated:

coke (just because it's hard to find good quality coke anymore) I do like the high of clean cocaine
DXM
opiates
benzos
amphetamine
methylone

underrated:

4-AcO-DMT
 
verso said:
It's funny because people just automatically assume that the more potent a substance is, the greater its addictive, habit-forming potential as well, and I think that's a fallacy of sorts.

Heroin is a potent substance for sure, but I can't imagine it being any more or less addictive than the other opiates floating around. I know that there are others who will vehemently disagree with me, but the research has shown that heroin isn't much more addictive than alcohol and that nicotine is, in fact, even more addictive than heroin.

In the scheme of things and all things considered, a substance's addictive, habit-forming potential relies on more than merely the substance itself; one has to consider an individual's body chemistry, one's predisposition to addiction, their family history and genes, as well as the route of administration.

I have never shot heroin, or any drug for that matter, but from what I've seen and what I've been told, IV heroin is a new animal altogether as opposed to when it's insufflated, for example.
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In my case I don't think it'd be wise to mess with H. Opiates are just so damn addictive to me.
Anyway, your post kind of agrees with my point of view. I say I can't see it being underrated because nearly everyone (non drug-users included) thinks it's the most addictive drug in existence. I didn't say I fully agree though. Some people like stims more for example. (meth, coke, .. )

Heroin just has an especially bad reputation in terms of addiction. Therefore people will automatically assume the buzz is amazing. Which I certainly believe. :D That's why I don't think it could ever be underrated, and I mean in general, not just by opiate users.

edit: I wouldn't say alcohol is as addictive as heroin. It is addictive ofcourse, but it has way more immediate side-effects that make it alot less pleasurable. I don't know anyone addicted to alcohol. Opiates is another story though. (Sure, there are quite some people who waste their lives on alcohol, but that's not really the subject of the topic.)

And comparing it to nicotine.. Well.. Nicotine is certainly freaking addictive, and bad for you. But I never heard of anyone being so addicted to nicotine he'd blow all his money on it or something like that. That and it doesn't get you high. So they're not really comparable imo. Atleast not when speaking about over- and underrated drugs.
 
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overated:
heroin, I'd prefer pharmaceutical opiates over street unknown quality heroin all day everyday. I hate playing roulette when buying street drugs.
cocaine, for the same reasons as above. If we could solve the levamisole problem and get anywhere remotely clean cocaine, even if I have to acetone wash it, I would take it off this list, but cocaine these days is such a hit and a miss, usually a miss.
oxycodone
Research Chemicals
Klonopin/Clonazepam. The only good ones IMO are triazolam, midazolam, temazepam, alprazolam and flunitrazepam.
Lyrica- I hear about ppl using it recreationally, and have never really felt what they described with it.... good for nerve pain though

underrated:
morphine. ppl hate on it because it's shitty oral/nasal BA, and extensive 1st pass metabolism, but it is hands down the best pain killer.
And of course, OPIUM man this shit is so hard to find! I would rather make my own or support a local grower, because ever since like, 2008 I have not been able to get decent opium, it's like it went out of style. I guess everyone switched to tar heroin....
 
verso said:
It's funny because people just automatically assume that the more potent a substance is, the greater its addictive, habit-forming potential as well, and I think that's a fallacy of sorts.

Heroin is a potent substance for sure, but I can't imagine it being any more or less addictive than the other opiates floating around. I know that there are others who will vehemently disagree with me, but the research has shown that heroin isn't much more addictive than alcohol and that nicotine is, in fact, even more addictive than heroin.

In the scheme of things and all things considered, a substance's addictive, habit-forming potential relies on more than merely the substance itself; one has to consider an individual's body chemistry, one's predisposition to addiction, their family history and genes, as well as the route of administration.

I have never shot heroin, or any drug for that matter, but from what I've seen and what I've been told, IV heroin is a new animal altogether as opposed to when it's insufflated, for example.
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That's true - euphoria in itself doesn't necessarily correlate with addiction potential, and heroin is relatively comparable in that respect to nicotine and alcohol - and less addictive, by most accounts, than crystal meth. However, I have seen studies where opiate addicts were given several different opioids intravenously, many of which - fentanyl, hydromorphone, oxymorphone - are more potent than heroin. However, the test group showed a very strong preference for heroin (and morphine) over other opioids. Heroin crosses the blood-brain barrier very rapidly, and I think it mostly has to do with specific receptor affinity and such small details that make them more euphoric.

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OVERRATED
Cocaine, insufflated or smoked freebase - no noticeable high worth talking about, except once it's over you kinda want more.
Alcohol - unpleasant effects, easy to go overboard, horrible after-effects
Ketamine/Methoxetamine - stupid drug, turns you into a clumsy buffoon for a while
MDMA - Only good for spending nights at home with a girl.

UNDERRATED
Salvia divinorum - I thought I had my first ego-death experience on salvia, until I later had one on acid. I realized the one on salvia was astral projection - I retained my consciousness, and was clearly me, but dissociated from my body. At sub-breakthrough doses it's awkward and disconcerting, but once I break through it's comparable - though obviously different - to DMT, for me.
 
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over rated: lsd. really all i get from it is a little hazy head high

under rated: speed and mdma. people who say speed is only good to stay awake obviously havent done enough. mdma is <3
 
emexizzle said:
over rated: lsd. really all i get from it is a little hazy head high

under rated: speed and mdma. people who say speed is only good to stay awake obviously havent done enough. mdma is <3
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Can't say I agree with you on the LSD, but I hear you on the MDMA. ;)
 
emexizzle said:
over rated: lsd. really all i get from it is a little hazy head high

under rated: speed and mdma. people who say speed is only good to stay awake obviously havent done enough. mdma is <3
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Whaat? LSD overrated? It's magic on a piece of paper. If all you got was a hazy head high, your stuff was bunk or you didn't take enough.

MDMA isn't underrated imo. It's a very good drug, ideal for parties and I think most people would agree.

With the speed I agree, it's way more than a "stay awake" tool. But it can be used as such, just like it can be used for enhanced concentration in low doses. It's also very euphoric to me and I never get bored when I'm doing something on speed.
 
IMO all drugs that are not psychedelics or heroin are overrated.

Doesn't mean that they're bad, just overrated.

I think cannabis is underrated, I get more high on that than I do on coke, or a number of other drugs.
 
We druggies are an opinionated lot, eh?

First of all, opiates rule. All of 'em. But on that note, I think methadone is underrated. It's not a kick-your-ass, then nod out kinda drug. Wasn't meant to be. It's relatively cheap, kills pain, induces happy euphoria, is long-lasting, and is a great motivational/energizing work drug. On methadone I can work 12-hour days 7 days a week and LOVE IT! I maintain a pleasant appetite and get creative with food. Only drawback: kills libido.:(

The single most overrated drug by far is crack. Just a big hassle for a very, very short-term high that isn't even very good while it lasts. I'd get more out of huffing N2O from whipped cream cans.

I do not think high quality cocaine is overrated. Overpriced, yes. Too much bunk out there, yes. But an IV shot of really good coke is like a spiritual epiphany and an excruciatingly pleasurable orgasm combined. And it lasts. Drink alcohol with it and the high lasts even longer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaethylene

Snorting benzos, addies, painkillers, or any other pharmaceutical pills is absurd. Burns and clogs the nose for not much of a rush. I swear I get off better just chewing 'em up and washing 'em down with hot coffee.

Alcohol and marijuana are underappreciated by many. Sure, I like the more exciting drugs. But when times are tough, you can always fall back on drinkin' and tokin'-- they are like faithful old dogs who will never let you down.

Light beer, novelty malt beverages, and flavored liquors/liqueurs are ALL terribly overrated. I'm ashamed to see them in the same category as real alcohol. Oh, and I love tobacco but big cigars and clove cigarettes are abominations.

Finally, the most worthless "anxiety medication" is Busbar. I think it should be marketed under a more descriptive name: Placebo.

Sorry I ran on so long. Got on a roll, ya know?

Peace&Love,
jasper
 
**overrated- cocaine, alcohol, methylone, mephedrone (sorry but it was), synthetic cannabinoids,most beta ketones not already mentioned,


**underated: Tramadol- a unique chem thats got many uses and safe with benzos if your worried about seizures, a pharmaceutical 5-ht releaser!!!! thats a excellent synergist with opiates
DMT
LSD
nitrous oxide
benzodiazepines in general- everybody usese them but never gives them credit
psilocybin mushrooms
 
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From what I've done.

Overrated:

Weed - I say this because it is everywhere, and I mean everywhere. Almost everyone has done it sometime in their life. Now don't get me wrong I'm not hating on it but from my experiences there are better drugs out there.

Alcohol - Once again same reasons as above. Still love getting hammered though =D

Underrated:

MDMA - Used responsibly with at least a 30 day wait between rolls and tested positive for MDMA. Only then I say that it is underrated because a good number of people who do it don't even test it, that's when I would call it overrated, but "pure" MDMA at most once a month is a great feeling that alcohol or weed can't even get me 1/10 of the way there.

Only drugs I've done.
 
Anyone who says LSD is overrated has never done good acid. LSD is highly underrated, IMHO, mainly because a lot of people either can't handle the intensity of the trip, did it under less-than-ideal circumstances, or want something that simply kills pain and makes them sociable. That ain't what LSD is about.

I absolutely love LSD, but it's something I'd only do on rare occasions-- that is, IF I could get decent acid anymore.
 
I use to think coke was grossly overrated, but I finally started getting some very good coke this year, so now it is just a little overrated and still very expensive lol. I definitely see the appeal now, but would much rather take many other drugs for the money.
 
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