The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Sepher]

best way to tell if you have the freebase or hcl?

aMT HCl should be white, or just off white powder that will dissolve quite readily in plain old cold water. The freebase won't dissolve in water without something to help it along. I use vodka and coke as often as not with mine. The freebase I've seen over the last 12-18 months has always been orange, one a dirty, dark orange almost brick-dusty in colour, the other being a much lighter and brighter pale orange. Can't say as I noticed much difference between the two, both performing as expected. The freebase will run on foil quite easily so you can chase it. Not so with the HCl i'm led to believe.

 

[Sepher]

Loremipsum, if reading up on trip reports where it was the aMT freebase used you have to allow for the fact that freebase is generally reckoned to be around 20-30% more powerful weight for weight than the HCl and adjust dose accordingly. 40mg freebase would produce a harsh, dirty stimulation without ever breaking through to properly psychedelic territory for me, 80mg freebase being plenty enough to get full on OEVs and brilliant, highly detailed CEVs , but I'd probably need 100mg of the HCl to get equivalent effects. Wouldn't suggest you jump right up to 100mg all the same. Your planned 80mg seems a reasonable dose given you're unfamiliar with the full psychedelic effects as yet. Can always go higher next time if it's still not quite where you want it to be but at 80mg you should definitely get obvious OEV visuals like colour shifts and tints, fractal-like or geometric patterning on surfaces and textures, CEVs to some extent depending on how much you get from other hallucinogens without too much in the of the harsher effects you'd get at high[er] doses.

 

[Confield]

So is there a difference nausea-wise whether it's the freebase or HCl?

 

[Transform]

There shouldn't be.

 

[kingme]

for me, the first time i tried ti was the most nauseaous by a long distance. the next few times it got a lot better. i dont think it has something to do with me becoming adjusted, just that that one time might have been just a bad time to trip, regardless of the chemical.
also, i can alleviate a lot of the nausea with some odansetron, at a very low dose, that works wonders somehow. but now, i just dont need that if i control the comeup properly (as in, in a proper set and setting, with a relaxed mind and rested body)

 

[Jesusgreen]

For me I felt like the nausea the first time was all the negativity from the anxieties and problems in my life I was refusing to deal with - I dealt with a lot of them in that trip, and so I felt like that was a major contributing factor in the nausea being greatly lessened the next time.

Do you feel this could have been the case for you too kingme? I'm really curious as to if nausea + psychedelics could actually stem largely from psychological mindstate rather than anything physiological.

 

[SONN]

has anyone here combined high dose AMT with oral DMT?

I've heard that it's not effective enough as an MAOI to facilitate oral DMT use but I was wondering if a high oral dose taken at the exact same time as DMT might work better because perhaps more of the MAOs would be metabolizing the AMT rather than the DMT... maybe even mix it with chocolate? lol

maybe it's just wishful thinking but it seems that these two chemicals compliment and synergize with each other really well from what i've read so AMTahuasca is intriguing to me.

 

[Jesusgreen]

^ Although I doubt it would work, I'm really curious too, as I love aMT, I love DMT - but hate the short duration, and haven't tried oral DMT - the combo sounds delicious to me if it'd work without an additional MAOI.

 

[OTGee]

I have never tried DMT but that would be one hell of a combo. I over used this substance a lot for a while but think in the next couple of months I will order some and go back to its warm embrace. Although I ruined the magic completely for a while it might be back, I really used to love aMT and I hope my experience with it is not over as my past few trips on it have not been enjoyable. I haven't taken it in a good couple of months though.

 

[psood0nym]

Re: aMT huasca - Yeah, that probably won't work because aMT's MAO inhibiting properties are not nearly as strong as has been rumored. You can't take aMT with ayahuasca either because taking a powerful monoamine releaser like aMT with an MAOI like harmala or whatever just might kill you. I've injected pure synthetic DMT intramuscularly while on aMT. You're not missing much really. The DMT totally takes over. You'd need something like a slow IV drip of DMT to really find a balance with aMT. It's all good though because mixing aMT with 4-AcO-DMT will get you pretty close to the experience you're shooting for. Ayahuasca with mescaline cacti is sort of what I hoped DMT with aMT would be (hard to stomach, that one). I've FUCKED myself twice chasing that high, and I'll probably still try it again. It's that good.

Re: aMT and amphetamine: This is not over stimulating at all in my experience. In fact, it's one of the best combos I've done. A sub-psychedelic dose of aMT with 15 - 30 mg of Adderall is fantastic for "functional" socializing. Drinking with the combo (or GHB) is great for party conversations -- probably the best social combo I've tried, and I've tried lots. I imagine you could substitute something like 2-F(M)A for the Adderall, though be careful because obviously it's unknown territory. You can try mixing other serotonin releasers like 6-APB or whatever, but that's flirting with disaster because of the potential for crazy releasing interactions. 2-FA at least seems to be a lesser serotonin releaser proportion-wise than a lot of the other MDMA/mephedrone wannabes out there.

 

[Survived Abortion]

I think the idea about adapting to the change in awareness is a good one, because I do the same thing myself. I have come to realize how much the body-load is psychosomatic. If I am feeling edgy and anxious during a come up, I will most definitely feel nauseous, where as feeling realxed and calm will most always be related to an easy ride up for the body. I have also begun to understand the techniques to turn a body-load in to a body-high.

But it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with the idea of 5-HT3 receptor agonism either. Think of it like this; how do we know that the process of using meditation/breathing isn't in some way linked to the agonizing or antagonizing of 5-HT3 receptors? We know that changes in respiration changes the ratios of oxygen to carbon dioxide. Undoubtedly, breathing changes affects the endochrine system (you can feel your adrenaline at work for example), and it's highly plausible that one of the results of such a reaction further down the cascade is an alteration in serotonin agonism in the gut. So indeed, oral psychedelic administration increases action at the peripheral 5-ht3 receptors. But using the techniques described, one might be able to regulate that state (like regulating blood pressure through biofeedback).

One of the most incredible things I experienced on my sole aMT trip was that I was able to control what was happening in my body - such as relaxation of internal muscles - through the power of my thought. It's something I have been able to do for a little while now even during sober states of altered awareness (induced by focusing on breath whilst deeply listening to music etc.) But I could even see it visually on aMT. I felt like I was unwinding everything in my body. Each time a negative thought crept in, it would be experienced as some physical discomfort, and so I was easily able to rectify it by allowing that thought to pass through me and cultivating thoughts of beautiful things. The more joyous I felt, the greater the body-high became.

 

[Disco Doctor]

Am I right in thinking taking MDMA is a no-no with aMT? I have a three day event this weekend and have both - just wondering if it's even a good idea to take both in the same weekend? Could I do one the following day after the other or would my brain turn into a raisin?

Thanks in advance for any tips.

 

[Sepher]

Am I right in thinking taking MDMA is a no-no with aMT? I have a three day event this weekend and have both - just wondering if it's even a good idea to take both in the same weekend? Could I do one the following day after the other or would my brain turn into a raisin?

Thanks in advance for any tips.

aMT is both a strong Serotonin releaser and a Serotonin ( 5-HT2 ) receptor agonist in its own right. In theory it's not advisable you do it with another strong Serotonin releaser no, though if you're careful with dose and do [much] less of each than you'd normally do dropping them individually it's possible to combo aMT with stimulants to pretty good effect. I've used 6-APB for instance with good results. The one thing to avoid IME is having them peak together as the stimulant push from the MDMA will seriously drive the aMT, possibly too much. I'm thinking psychosis / Serotonin Syndrome territory.

If you were to do MDMA one day with aMT the next ( or vice versa ) I think Serotonin depletion would greatly diminish the positive effects of aMT and probably increase the negative but not tested myself.

 

[kingme]

@Jesusgreen ... well i dont think the nausea from the first time was mindstate-related. it was not the best set or setting, i decided to go meet some friends (sober friends) for the comeup, but everyone was chilled, i had a lowish dose... im more inclined to say that it was my body that might not have been 100% that time... also, there were times with other substances, when even in the perfect setting, the nausea came (2c-e im looking at you!)

i doubt there is much use for amt-huasha. iirc, the mao properties of amt are only relevant to higher doses, and even then they arent that potent. i also suspect if one does take that much amt for it to be useful for thatm the simple effects of it alone wouldnt require any addition. just my 2c

@disco doctor. mdma and amt is not a recommended combo, in fact some report it as being dangerous. now, your brain will not turn into a raisin, but the effects will be diminished with use so close together. personally, id just party normally 2 nights, and have a blast on one with just a single substance. moderation is way better than exaggeration

in regard to aMT + amphetamines... what about aMT with 4-FA/FMA ? the lenghts of trips seem closer between these substances, i wonder why noone has mentioned them before? (though like i said, i dont think this makes for a good combo... sub psychedelic amt doses... are at<10mg no? then why use it at all? anyone have a trip report of this?)

 

[kingme]

also, come on man, again with the aMT combos, but no aMT combo thread? why no love for it? :D

 

[Disco Doctor]

Cheers for the advice. Think I'll leave the MDMA and just go all out on aMT for one night.

 

[psood0nym]

in regard to aMT + amphetamines... what about aMT with 4-FA/FMA ? the lenghts of trips seem closer between these substances, i wonder why noone has mentioned them before? (though like i said, i dont think this makes for a good combo... sub psychedelic amt doses... are at<10mg no? then why use it at all? anyone have a trip report of this?)

I've mentioned the combo before -- here and there. For me it was much more than the sum of its parts, though I'm going off of just one experience. Going off just that I'd say that the synergy between aMT and 4-FA is far stronger than for the other triple monoamine releasers I've used it with (I've used aMT HCl in low intramuscular doses at around 13 mg with 5-APB, Adderall, MDMA, mephedrone, and propylhexadrine to smooth out the crash of each).

 

[lynx2051]

Haven't taken aMT for five months. Did 40mg on a night in and it was an incredible experience. Tried it out in a club and it was horrible. I was sweating buckets and felt very 'unhuman' like while in the club. Just wanted to go home and smoke some weed with it.

If you don't have any downers for the comedown then you'll feel very rough the next day. But you always feel extremely happy buy very drained at the same time. Then when you've slept you feel very refreshed for the next week, that's what is great about aMT.

Might have some tonight.... I just hate it's 12 hour duration.

 

[Intergalactic]

Hi, been reading all your posts for a while now, have learnt a lot from you guys so just wanted to say thanks. Decided it was time to start posting myself...
Have been experimenting with RC's for a few months now. Have tried 6-APB a few times and absolutely adored it Last week I decided to try AMT and got some of the new freebase batch just arrived from a trusted vendor. After reading through all the posts I decided that 40mg would be a sensible starting dose, and took orally, diluted with vinegar and water. Dont know whether this new batch is different, but it was unlike a lot of the trip experiences on amt i had read about. Firstly, it was a lot more trippy and visual than I had expected, some had said they hardly had any visuals at all. Didn't feel much in the way of stimulation or empathy though, which was a shame. And although overall I enjoyed the experience, I think the lows outweighed any of the highs. These were - constant nausea for the first two hours of come up, with physical sickness at least 5-6 times also felt very 'mongy' throughout, not being able to focus or have the kind of clarity of mind that I had read about from other users. Have also found that even two days after the experience, I still feel tired and lethargic - none of the lovely afterglow that some have experienced. Felt like my kidneys were still aching for up to 24 hours afterwards as well. Although it was fun, and hey, you never know until you try, I don't think I will be doing amt again, which is a shame as I had so many high hopes for it. Maybe it just didn't like me, I dont know. Maybe it was this new batch? Has anyone else tried it yet?

 

[Vinz]

I tryed it a couple times and really enjoyed it even tough i'm more into stimulants and usually not enjoying tryptamines. There's no egotrippin' with this one and i feel more like my true self then when on stims. Plus it shares some similarities with other alpha methylated compounds such as mdma, amp. A definite "once in a while" drug. I like to call it "shroom-dma" :-D...