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Psychedelics & soldiers or warriors

I'm probably wrong but I thought this is what the US government hoped for when they tried research on LSD. I thought since Charles Manson fed LSD to people and had them kill, the military could do the same thing.

Some seriously fucked up stuff. Just my speculation.
 
A warrior considers himself already dead, so there is nothing to lose.
The worst has already happened to him, therefore he's clear and calm;
judging him by his acts or by his words,
one would never suspect that he has witnessed everything.
~Carlos Castaneda
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referring to ego death
 
freedstar said:
I thought since Charles Manson fed LSD to people and had them kill, the military could do the same thing.
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I don't think the LSD was the important thing there tho - Jim Jones killed 900 people and never fed anyone LSD.
 
Ismene said:
I don't think the LSD was the important thing there tho - Jim Jones killed 900 people and never fed anyone LSD.
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Don't know about that. I'm sure psychedelic use had some affect on warping those kid's minds, with Mansons help of course..

I read what the murderers had to say about what they did after spending time in jail. I think it was along the lines of 'I wake up knowing everyday that I am a destroyer of life and this is my punishment.' but they also say that at the time of the murders it felt good. Like it was the right thing to do.
 
Yeah I was going to say - I'd LOVE for government to implement psychedelics into their armed forces. The wars of the world would end overnight.
 
freedstar said:
Don't know about that. I'm sure psychedelic use had some affect on warping those kid's minds, with Mansons help of course..

I read what the murderers had to say about what they did after spending time in jail. I think it was along the lines of 'I wake up knowing everyday that I am a destroyer of life and this is my punishment.' but they also say that at the time of the murders it felt good. Like it was the right thing to do.
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Yeah but the problem is after you're arrested and rotting in jail what else is there to say? Are you going to say "I killed because I'm an asshole who enjoyed it and the LSD had nothing to do with it" or will you say "I'm a great guy but the LSD made me do it. I won't take LSD again..will you let me out of jail now sir?".

Obviously - everyone is going to say the latter and blame acid.
 
Flickering said:
Yeah I was going to say - I'd LOVE for government to implement psychedelics into their armed forces. The wars of the world would end overnight.
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I'm not following that logic. Armed forces are there to carry out orders, if they are unwilling they will just be replaced. It's the policy makers, those who decide on these things, politicians... those are the ones that would be nice to see open their mind and eyes using psychedelics, but I'm afraid it will just make them unable to keep up in the rat race, the filthy games that are played during election time. Then there is also the possibility or likelihood that a trip would cause an overwhelming amount of cognitive dissonance that would make functioning and keeping up appearances too hard. I think you'd want some time to ponder about new realizations and after you would've done that nobody probably wants to listen to you anymore.

so... pipe dreams. (Speaking of pipe dreams, totally makes me imagine mario and luigi, those green pipes and the mushrooms they eat to give them micropsia - to freely interpret super mario :D )
 
Anyone dumb enough to join the military does not have the right kind of intelligence to get the point of psychedelics.
 
Im pretty sure they already tried applying psychedelics to the battlefield, specifically lsd. If you go on youtube you can watch old school military footage of british soldiers getting "electric" or what ever you want to call it. It didnt turn out so hot
 
I think Charles Manson was able to use LSD to de-program/re-program people and get them to engage in acts of violence that they normally would not do. So yes, psychedelics have been used to program people into having a "warrior" mentality.
 
Fossil_Diver said:
I think Charles Manson was able to use LSD to de-program/re-program people and get them to engage in acts of violence that they normally would not do. So yes, psychedelics have been used to program people into having a "warrior" mentality.
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I think Charles Manson was the important bit - not the LSD. They would have been just as violent if he'd never used LSD. Jim Jones ordered his men to go and kill that senator and they wern't on LSD. Lets not confuse cults with LSD - there's a thousand cults who have used violence.
 
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Solipsis said:
There is a video to see online (you can search for it on youtube) of - I believe - British soldiers who are fed LSD. They become disinterested in following orders and maintaining proper composure for war situations and instead walk around laughing and hang from the trees. So if that answers your question, the answer would (again) be no.
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I dont think any drugs should be used IN combat, but training on psychedelics would really get you in-tune with your weapons and equipment and maneuvers and squad members... so on and so forth. On my last acid trip, I was doing tactical room clearing maneuvers and shit with my Dragunov. That was fun lol...


I dont see why everyone is SO against it, "oh no war is bad!" Really? Well we wouldn't have civilization without it.



For the OPs question, which was "Can psychedlics be helpful for RECOVERING soldiers with PTSD and the like?"

Yes. But it could also bring up a VERY bad trip full of bad memories. MDMA would most likely be more effective
 
It depends on the context of the war or fighting. For hand to hand and close quarters among many combatants the frenzy of a psychedelic trip could prove useful. Such as tribal fighting in the amazon or viking raiders on aminitas. In todays modern combat I imgaine it would be debilitating. It isn't as simple as swinging a blade anymore...there is orchestration on a global scale now.
 
If I had the choice between fighting a sober man or a man on mushrooms I'd pick the guy on mushrooms every time.
 
TheSpectre said:
Didn't ancient marauder vikings take mushrooms before going into battle?
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Some historians believed berserkers drank brews of amanita muscaria (fly agaric mushrooms) before battle, but these are GABA-ergic dissociative/deliriants rather than psychedelics. This might lead to some loss of inhibitions and fear - Psilocybin mushrooms on the other hand would make combat very difficult at the least, but more likely impossible.
 
Im the op I think what would be usful that comes to a mind that has experianced psy drugs
Is understanding things in a way other people can not
Also the self discovery from the experance can unlook potentual in you chosen field
Thinking outside the box helps when compeating in any relm
 
Jesusgreen said:
Some historians believed berserkers drank brews of amanita muscaria (fly agaric mushrooms) before battle, but these are GABA-ergic dissociative/deliriants rather than psychedelics. This might lead to some loss of inhibitions and fear
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It would have to be at a dose so low you couldn't actually feel anything tho - otherwise your co-ordination would be hopeless and you would be stopping to vomit the moment you did anything strenuous.
 
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