Would you care to explain further as to how they're not necessarily addictive, the evidence suggest otherwise that in fact they're extremely addictive. I don't think you necessarily have to abuse drugs to become addicted either. I've seen the naive patient take their prescribed dosage for years and then blindsided that their completely addicted to the drugs their doctor prescribed them. I don't think it takes a special person to become addicted to anything, just seeing the different people in rehabs and besides just that the thousands of individuals from all walks of life with addictions ranging from alcohol to heroin... it doesn't discriminate against anyone.
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Physical dependence on cannabis
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fakeplastictrees4
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I have been smoking weed daily for almost two years now, starting at 16 and have noticed since my smoking has slowed down the past few months I have had bad insomnia and a loss of apetite. I didn't put the two and two together but if you're relying on something for so long then obviously you will build up a dependance. It doesn't have to be because of the drug but because of the fact you're letting yourself go to what the drug does to you. One could just as well eat normally, or go to bed without smoking if they dont forget how 
RobotRipping
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@yteek: If i have a legitimate anxiety disorder and only stick to the dose prescribed and i don't abuse them for recreation then benzos are not addictive, however they still cause a massive physical dependency, i'm not denying that but out of all the people prescribed benzos, only a certain percentage will actually enjoy them to the point they take them recreationally and abuse them.
I abuse them badly to the point of not remembering anything for months but not everyone is like this. In your example the patient isn't necessarily abusing the drugs. Not all people will end up addicted and compulsively abusing their medication; plenty of chronic pain sufferers will become physically dependent on opiates/opioids but not all of them will end up addicted to them.
Again, this is just a matter of semantics and distinguishing between physical dependence and addiction. For example with SSRI's, you don't get high on them yet build dependence and tolerance and even have withdrawal (SSRI discontinuation syndrome, nice name for it). There are plenty more examples so physical dependence can occur without addiction. We can use different definitions of addiction, such as addiction is when the drug starts to have negative consequences in your life, that's still distinguishable from physical dependence.
I abuse them badly to the point of not remembering anything for months but not everyone is like this. In your example the patient isn't necessarily abusing the drugs. Not all people will end up addicted and compulsively abusing their medication; plenty of chronic pain sufferers will become physically dependent on opiates/opioids but not all of them will end up addicted to them.
Again, this is just a matter of semantics and distinguishing between physical dependence and addiction. For example with SSRI's, you don't get high on them yet build dependence and tolerance and even have withdrawal (SSRI discontinuation syndrome, nice name for it). There are plenty more examples so physical dependence can occur without addiction. We can use different definitions of addiction, such as addiction is when the drug starts to have negative consequences in your life, that's still distinguishable from physical dependence.
weekend addiction
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I used to be a very heavy smoker. At my peak I was smoking a gram and a half of killer weed out of a vape every single day. Believe me I was stressed and couldn't eat, sleep, or be friendly the day I ran out and couldn't find any. I can easily say I will never use that much again. But now I barely smoke anymore so I don't experience the same problems.
Chainer
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Robo, many, many, many of my friends have had crippling addictions to valium and xanax. Benzos are entirely abusable and highly addictive. That's not really an opinion - it's like trying to say oxycodone isn't addictive. They are in every way, physically and mentally - and unlike most drugs, benzo W/D can *kill* you.
Many of us here at Bluelight have had issue with benzos at some point. When I was 18, I was taking up to 5-6mg xanax per day, and was very addicted to them. I was acquiring them through street purchases, not from a doctor - I'm not sure why you'd think the method of acquiring a drug would effect it's addiction potential.
I understand the point you are trying to make with physical addiction and mental addiction, but this is an HR website primarily, and to state that benzos don't really carry addiction potential is not only silly, but irresponsible.
Many of us here at Bluelight have had issue with benzos at some point. When I was 18, I was taking up to 5-6mg xanax per day, and was very addicted to them. I was acquiring them through street purchases, not from a doctor - I'm not sure why you'd think the method of acquiring a drug would effect it's addiction potential.
I understand the point you are trying to make with physical addiction and mental addiction, but this is an HR website primarily, and to state that benzos don't really carry addiction potential is not only silly, but irresponsible.
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Despite, if they're being used as prescribed by your physician.... its still possible to create a mental dependance along with the physical dependence. That just in the nature of the drug, especially after prolonged use and some doctors tend to overprescribe which multiplies the problems associated with the drug.
rave_itsrealfun!!!
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Just completed my 2nd sober day and it was a little rough. My gut feels like shit and I almost puked from a measly 3 eggs this morning. I am normally able to feast as I am a weight lifter and I attempted to do so but the food was just so disgusting.
It is very obvious to me that something is quite wrong with my internal organs, this is definately not just mental.
It is very obvious to me that something is quite wrong with my internal organs, this is definately not just mental.
you could try mirtazapin if its that bad and youre worried about losing muscle mass. itll help you sleep as well.
RobotRipping
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i forgot about this thread.
i've had massive benzo addictions in the past; that wasn't my point. My girlfriend for example can use ativan once a week and doesn't end up addicted like me. If she leaves me ativan to take when i get anxious i always end up getting addicted and physically dependent on it (and go through the script in a week). I've gone through benzo withdrawals 3 times so i understand but it does not necessarily mean benzos are 'addictive' in terms of the definition of addiction. You can be addicted to anything but i'm really just trying to distinguish physical dependence from addiction. They often go hand in hand but it's not always so. Maybe benzos aren't a great example as they are so easy to abuse but still there are many people who don't even like them. SSRI's are a better example of physical dependence without addiction.
for HR purposes; even if you are only physically dependent on benzos you will still face severe withdrawals which will likely lead to addiction if you weren't already addicted in the first place.
@rave_itsrealfun!!!: there are cannabinoid receptors in the stomach so it's no surprise that many people including me feel pretty awful on the inside for a few days after quitting, maybe try immodium and diphenhydramine/dramamine.
Darksidesam
Bluelight Crew
If you are one who depends on cannabis to sleep kind of, and would like to take a night off here and there,
Perhaps try popping 2 450mg valerian root capsules an hour before bed, in place of cannabis that night?
Perhaps try popping 2 450mg valerian root capsules an hour before bed, in place of cannabis that night?
I hear you, benzos are like that for me. I have trouble sleeping after single use of those long half-life benzos like Flunitrazepam or Diazepam. Still I hate how they make me feel and have only ever wanted them to come off stimulants.
Lol are you serious? I can pop 5mg Diazepam and still have trouble sleeping when I'm withdrawing pot lol. :D Valerian root lol
Darksidesam
Bluelight Crew
i can pop 10mg of diazepam and still have sleep troubles,
Its more the state of mind, and calmness that ties together with the benzo,
You shouldnt take benzos all the time though, thats why i suggested valerian root,
not saying it will work extremely well but its better than nothing
rave_itsrealfun!!!
Bluelighter
So it's downregulation of cannabinoid receptors in my stomach that I'm experiencing? Although there is a "physical" withdrawal (i am clearly experiencing physical symptoms, like stomach discomfort) the good thing is that it really doesn't last too long. A week or 2 tops... this isn't heroin guys. But it's enough discomfort to keep people smoking pot even if they want to stop.
I've taken L-tryptophan the last couple days and I got a decent sleep last night. I also have some tea with valerian root in it which I've been having. I've avoided depression or the desire to smoke so far - the only reason I would want to burn is to cure my body... I've had one meal in the past 2 days and still have NO appetite.
Oh and do you guys think caffeine would help? I have a low tolerance, could a lot of tea help stimulate my digestive system?
And yeah this is an extreme case... I will bong a quarter of bone dry crystally nugs in 2 days.
I've taken L-tryptophan the last couple days and I got a decent sleep last night. I also have some tea with valerian root in it which I've been having. I've avoided depression or the desire to smoke so far - the only reason I would want to burn is to cure my body... I've had one meal in the past 2 days and still have NO appetite.
Oh and do you guys think caffeine would help? I have a low tolerance, could a lot of tea help stimulate my digestive system?
And yeah this is an extreme case... I will bong a quarter of bone dry crystally nugs in 2 days.
Darksidesam
Bluelight Crew
^ Too much Caffeine might make you over-anxious
Zildjian
Bluelighter
i sweat like a pig in the oven when i don't smoke before bed
I came REALLY close to a serious addiction to xanax (4-8mg daily). Luckiyl I was only on that dose for 3 months with sporadic use before that, and i was able to detox without medical help and it wasn not TOO bad of a detox. If I was on for another 3 months I woulda had to go inpatient probably.. That shit SNEAKS up on you big time.
I really narrowly avoided addiction to benzos...whilst feeding my opiate addiction the whole time lol. But for a while there I thought I had 2 monkeys on my bad.. I was releived to get off the benzos. It's a really really bad habit and the withdrawal is so bad and scary you can die.. its much worse running out than with opiates.
I really narrowly avoided addiction to benzos...whilst feeding my opiate addiction the whole time lol. But for a while there I thought I had 2 monkeys on my bad.. I was releived to get off the benzos. It's a really really bad habit and the withdrawal is so bad and scary you can die.. its much worse running out than with opiates.
Brian242
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Wow man, See my profile pic? That's a 2 foot scar with two 1/2 foot titanium bars and 12 six inch bolts in my spine from Scoliosis surgery. It also helps with my Leukemia TREMENDOUSLY. In my eyes, you're acting as weed as if it was Heroin.
You don't know me, and I don't know you. I guess I was quick to judge you but i'm sorry for that but yes, it "Saved my life."
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Danny Weed
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That sounds a lot like my case, I smoke about the same as you said a q in 2 days or an oz a week, I also get the stomach discomfort plus bad insomnia for a few weeks after suddenly stopping. I would avoid caffeine unless you are used to it, it sends me mental.
It really pisses me off when people try to say there is no withdrawal from really heavy cannabis use, yeah its nothing like opiate wd but it is mental torture for me.
You have to really go hard with it for a long time, so most people don't experience any wd because they smoke like a half gram a day or something like that.
The depression I get when I stop is crazy! I cant even talk to my family for the first week. I am going to make sure I never run out again after this little forced break.
Darksidesam
Bluelight Crew
yeah man, I can make an 8th last about 2 weeks lol
Vapourizers ftw
Vapourizers ftw