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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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SONN said:
Honestly you should try it with syrian rue before you decide you don't like it. There's a trip report on bluelight that says his euphoria was better than meth hahahaha. I think the euphoria I experienced on the beach was of a similar magnitude during my ++++. I literally cried tears of joy for almost thirty minutes afterwards and I decided to get up and ride a wave on my boogie board lol. Also I read that the first time you do meth the amount of stimulation you experience over your whole body is supposedly equivalent to 19 orgasms at once.

4 ACO DMT!>Meth=19 orgasms at once.


I find that fascinating.
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This was exactly like me! ahaha :D

The euphoria with this psychedelic is nothing comparable with any other compound/combo tried, better than meph, crystal mdma, candyflipping, or even crack (hate that evil shit btw)! Not really strong OEVs, but compensates on crazy hyper real CEVs, and euphoria. <3
 
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1. The material had been placed in a paper wrap about 2 weeks earlier but I decided not to take it. I casually left it in "the box" under the scale. Could it have degraded/transformed into a more potent psilo-something?
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I had 2c-i on a piece of paper just sitting in the drawer for 2 weeks due to not wanting to take the dose.. When i did take the dose at a music festival i noticed it to be a bit overwhelming in deed.. In fact i actually went to the security people and had them drive me to the med tent.. It made me feel safe because i was really freaking out man.. so not i wonder the same thing as you did..
 
Hey man I thought drug synthesis wasn't allowed.

If everyone knew leaving your drugs out for 2 weeks made them stronger... there would be a lot of drugs laying around.
 
Synthesis and degradation are two VERY different things.

No 2c is going to turn into psilo-anything. It should have gotten weaker but the 2c's are pretty hardy substances, degradation wise.
 
yesterday had a peak experience with 4-aco-dmt ++++. i take what i said before, the OEVs are not weak, it was just because of my tolerance. this time i waited 10 days since my last psychedelic, and this chem truly shined now. im speechless, it won hands down the best had until now with ketamine + lsd visually.
 
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I took this stuff (3 hours ago), then ate something, and I think it ended my trip, or at least severely weakened it. I endeding up having diarrhea too.

Not even the headspace is different now.
 
Is it just me that feels this such awesome psychedelic that should be given to everybody, particulary friends?

I get so much of Psilacetin, that im thinking in creative ways to approach friends in trying this stuff. I have the ideia of getting some weak mushrooms, placing inside Psilacetin (doing a slight cut, insert, and glue it some honey or something sticky), and telling them its ultra strong mushrooms from heaven. :D I think this would work to some degree since most people are Ok with ideia of trying at least one time mushrooms in their life but not research chemicals, or even acid. What you guys think?
 
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I think that's highly unethical. Please don't do it.
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Its a non-confirmed pro-drug of something natural and on shrooms. I think im just improving the shrooms, and people taking shrooms 1st time are already betting on "lottery". Also I would do this in a very controlled set & setting, and with friends. The point is not to intoxicate them, but deliver a beautiful experience that otherwise would be reluctant.
 
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You are asking if the ends justify the means, something we won't be able to answer. If you lie about it, why not just have it in 'mushroom tea'?

Its not very hard to get mushrooms, I would post about the prices, but its slightly cheaper than weed. You probably know your friends more than we do though.


I think my stuff was bunk or it was some sort of adverse drug reaction. Took it sublingually, swallowed, got a little nausea and then I got the headspace I was tripping, ended up watching my rug for a bit, and then I moved some heavy stuff around and it was over. I am wondering if Tramadol cancels it out. It did seem to make me vaping weed a little more trippy, but it was no mushroom trip.

I am going off Tramadol to see if that is why it didn't work. How many days should I wait?
 
fly- said:
Its a non-confirmed pro-drug of something natural and on shrooms. I think im just improving the shrooms, and people taking shrooms 1st time are already betting on "lottery". Also I would do this in a very controlled set & setting, and with friends. The point is not to intoxicate them, but deliver a beautiful experience that otherwise would be reluctant.
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You shouldn't play father with your friends. They are their own people and should reach their own decisions about what drugs to take. Secretly feeding them a research chemical they have no agreed to take is unethical no matter how you look at it. People react differently to everything including 4-aco-dmt, some don't find it to be that similar to mushrooms (IE some people find it closer to DMT) and this may not be a welcomed experience to all of your friends. The fact is, this kind of deception is never acceptable, even if it is well-intentioned.
 
IamMe90 said:
You shouldn't play father with your friends. They are their own people and should reach their own decisions about what drugs to take. Secretly feeding them a research chemical they have no agreed to take is unethical no matter how you look at it. People react differently to everything including 4-aco-dmt, some don't find it to be that similar to mushrooms (IE some people find it closer to DMT) and this may not be a welcomed experience to all of your friends. The fact is, this kind of deception is never acceptable, even if it is well-intentioned.
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I see your point, but arent mushrooms effects highly variable too? At least I know what im giving them. Anyway, I think im dropping the ideia, I will just be honest and tell what I know about this amazing compound. Thanks for the advice. :)
 
fly- said:
Is it just me that feels this such awesome psychedelic that should be given to everybody, particulary friends?

I get so much of Psilacetin, that im thinking in creative ways to approach friends in trying this stuff. I have the ideia of getting some weak mushrooms, placing inside Psilacetin (doing a slight cut, insert, and glue it some honey or something sticky), and telling them its ultra strong mushrooms from heaven. :D I think this would work to some degree since most people are Ok with ideia of trying at least one time mushrooms in their life but not research chemicals, or even acid. What you guys think?
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This is extremely unethical, and very anti harm reduction. It's important if you ever give anyone a drug they know exactly what they're taking, the effects to expect, any possible interactions with medication they might be taking, and what dose they're taking.

Doing something like that would be a really bad idea, if these people are open to mushrooms, explain to them that 4-AcO-DMT is a similar 4-substituted tryptamine to Psilocin, and produces similar effects. Tell them a bit about it and see if they're interested - if they are, share the fun! If not, then that's fine too, remember it's their choice to make, not yours - giving people drugs without their consent, no matter how similar the drugs may be to what they're already taking, is NOT okay.

Sorry if this sounds a little harsh, but it's a serious issue, dosing people without them knowing like that is very anti-harm reduction. Just let them know what it is, explain things, I'm sure they'll be excited to try it, and if they're not, then let them enjoy their mushrooms as is :)
 
My psychonaut shuttle crew in geostationary orbit above Vanuatu reports the following:

Psilacetin Fumarate
15mg: Oral. A strange visual grid was overlaid upon things, but it was more of a kind of conceptual overlay, then a visual. Just a subtle visual enhancement. Lots of emotional boost. Subject did a lot of crying and self-reflection, and came out of the other side a few hours later feeling very centered and calm.

35mg: Oral. Now it's starting to get interesting! Repetitive patterns like wall texture, carpet, come alive. Subject vomited on the come up. Glyphs and phosphenes appear out of thin air, linger for a few seconds, and vanish. There is an introspective, and vastly expansive headspace.

50mg: Oral. "Whooaaaahhhh". 30 minutes after dosing, subject is tinkering around on their computer. Music begins to sound very unpleasant and mechanical. Subject tries to turn it off, but the framework of language is rapidly degrading, almost as quickly as the vibrant and organic fractals are overrunning subject's visual field. Subject loses contact with reality for a brief period, having met a peculiar, rotund, glass-like yellow being. A brief foray of vomiting ensues, after which all traces of body load are gone. Subject proceeds to phase into an indescribably intense psychedelic experience for roughly 2 hours. Effects drop off back to the fractal/visual phase for another 2 hours, then a mushroom-esque giddiness is present for another 2.5 hours.

50mg: Oral. A great experience. The chaotic/impersonal feel of the last experience is replaced with an experience of profound connectivity and understanding. There is a '4th dimension', as if one is moving in directions which it really isn't possible to move in. Subject describes no sensation of gravity or euclidean relativity, despite being otherwise aware and lucid to surroundings. Beautiful fractal visuals. Symbols and designs of profound meaning are intuitively conveyed. Beautiful fractals visual both eyes open and closed, but they are not to the point of overwhelming vision.

80mg: Oral. Now this is just pushing it. There is some bodily discomfort, combined with the same overwhelming psychedelic immersion as the first 50mg experience.

130mg: Oral. This was a bad idea. Total psychedelic and physical ass-kicking. One of the lighter-weight subjects is mildly jaundiced the following morning. It looks like the optimal intense/safe dose was many many mg ago.
 
I took 10 mgs and laid down in the dark to practice some newbie witchcraft. I decided to start off with astral travel. I have like 5 grams of 4-aco-dmt saved up in brown bottles that was purchased about a year ago. It's still just as good, and I haven't done it for about a year. I haven't done anything in a long while, this 10mg was way more than I bargained for. I felt a spiritual force / energy that was very powerful, I was visited by beings who I still haven't determined why.. but I did traverse the astral plane. This is a very powerful drug, I don't know that I am ready for 35-50 mg of this drug, my head would probably explode. The most I've ever done at once is ~20mg.

I mean really all I wanted was to experience some astral travel. I spoke with satan my dark lord and master. I'll definitely be revisiting this soon. I highly reccomend this in total darkness, with silence and laying down... you'll get a lot more out of it.
 
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considering how strong this chemical was for me at 30 mgs, I must say I'm shocked to see how many people are pushing 50 mg or more mark.

39 mgs of this chemical was the most I ever did and that was a ++++ involving a rainbow hand coming out of the sky, going into my mouth and down into my body, and then I had a whole body orgasm feel for several hours, and a very very spiritual experience ensue.
 
I recently tried 4-aco-dmt for the first time, insufflated 10 mg and then about 15 mg an hour later. I was definitely feeling effects, but it was very mild. I could have easily dosed another 15 or mg but for some reason i got a very upset stomach from this. It was very similar to the stomach queaziness you get after eating mushrooms but definitely much more uncomfortable for me. Anybody else experience this? It actually prevented me from re-dosing again and it really ruined the trip for me. Is this normal?
 
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