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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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^ Nope that seems correct Axed, nice find. :) In which case I'd start even lower then.

I agree with Pegasus though, since 4-AcO-DMT degrades into it's illegal cousin 4-HO-DMT, aka Psilocin, sending it out in HCl form which degrades so much faster would be quite risky. However, it has been done, and I'd imagine at the very least they'll probably put some drying agents in the pack to keep moisture out. Maybe in some European countries Psilocin itself is legal and it's just Psilocybin that is illegal? That's the only thing I could think of that would explain someone taking that kind of risk.
 
Probably anyone with 4-aco-DMT should assume it's for all intents and purposes just as illegal as a bag of shrooms. Use discretion when handling and transporting the stuff, obviously.

Thing is that 4-aco-DMT is just so damn good it's worth the risk ;)
 
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Why would a vendor sending the hcl version through the mail? Isn't it entirely possible that some degrades before it reaches the recipient, making it Schedule I? Or maybe it degraded before even being shipped out?
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I emailed the vendor about this, hopefully they give me a satisfactory response.
I haven't paid yet, so I could always try and find someone else to buy from, but 4-aco vendors tend to be hard to find.
 
2 hours ago I snorted 5mg 4-AcO-DMT (slightly off-colour from when I got it, so it's likely some has degraded to Psilocin, but it's impossible to say without having it tested) - I previously avoided the nasal ROA with this substance as I heard a few reports finding it much weaker than oral, or completely ineffective - that didn't sound right to me but it was enough to put me off any attempts of my own. I decided to go with 5mg since it was small enough for me not to worry if it was too light or I didn't feel it - plus I'd heard good reports from 5-10mg of Psilocin taken nasally.

Nasal is definitely worth considering. I don't remember ever exploring the 10-15mg oral range with this, but I imagine the intensity of 10-15mg oral is likely to be quite similar to 5mg nasal. It hit me a lot harder than I expected, as I was basically looking for light anti-depressant/mood-boosting effects rather than a full trip, and I'm definitely tripping - albeit rather mildly and very comfortably. :)
 
Have a good trip Jesusgreen!

4-aco-DMT is one of the few psychedelics where snorting it works just great. No increase in side effects. And a quicker come-up (although don't expect an instant come-up) so you can sniff a few milligrams every several minutes to work your way up to the level you'd like to be at.

In my experience sniffing it seems maybe 30-50% stronger than eating it. Not quite the doubling of intensity like 2C's... but YMMV.
 
Regarding the come up, I'd definitely like to warn people about that. If you take a larger dose nasally with this, expect to be hit hard, and you'll likely face some uneasiness and nausea since you come up so fast. My pupils were fully dilated just 5 minutes after my dose, and I started peaking approximately 30 minutes in - much much quicker than oral/sublingual.

A slight burn upon insufflation but it fades very quickly, none of the "Oh dear jesus what did I do!?!" firey death of 2C-x ;)
 
Lol I snorted 60mg along with an initial 40mg oral dose of the best 4-aco-dmt on the scene -snip- and I'd say it didn't come close to a 30mg 2c-e trip or an eighth of really good cubes. This stuff just doesn't do too much to me :( It was quite a nice trip though.
 
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I used to have the same with 2C-E, I'm still not quite sure why but I used to be able to tolerate extremely high doses. I was tripping often during some of that time, so tolerance was a factor - but this also happened my first few times. I remember taking as much as 50mg before and not being overwhelmed, whereas now 15mg is quite a strong trip for me.

Strange indeed. I'm not sure why you're not affected strongly by it. 75mg oral sent me out of my mind, visuals too intense to see the room (I'm speaking literally here not figuratively), thought I was dead and trapped in some kind of limbo - craziest experience of my entire life. I couldn't imagine a total of 100mg in one experience 8o
 
Taken from another forum. I thought sharing since its very well outlined and objective info about effects profile:

This info is coming from my experience on 13 mgs of 4-aco-freebase
2000mg of 4-AcO-DMT fumarate is equivalent to 1057mg of 4-AcO-DMT freebase.
that means I took the equivalent of 24.59 mgs of 4-aco fumarate (the most popular form being distributed)
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Pros
1. 5 hour duration that is perfect length
2. Very very little mindfuck
3. Increased compassion/love
4. Made me rethink how I speak and act around people (becoming a better person)
5. I laughed for with hysterical joy for minutes on end
6. Songs like Hard to Concentrate, Haii-Meiko, Hotel California, Wet Sand induced even more uncontrollable laughter
7. Long peak (atleast it "seemed" like a long peak
8. Made me realize I wasn't ready for an ayahausca out of body experience
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Cons
1. Bumpy come up
2. Very slight headache the day after (went away after an hour)
3. Slight nausea during the comeup
4. Not very intense visuals
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Neutral
1. Made me think about past life experiences
2. Made me more paranoid about transporting paraphernalia via car (probably positive)
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Final Rating----> 9.7 out of 10
This was hands down my favorite psychedelic experience. Once I got past the comeup every single moment was pleasurable in some way even the come down. It is definatly rivaling with lsd's quality. Lsd is so much more expensive and rare that 4-aco-dmt wins the competition overall quite easily.
I would say at the peak (1-2 hours total) I reached a level 3. I saw buddah with some 3 dimensional triangles. The colors were purples and blues. I'm sure I saw some other amazing things that I cannot remember. While staring at my tie die tapestry the colors morphed and changed. All in all I've had much more impressive visuals but the euphoria and music enjoyment compensated for this shortcoming easily.
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the amount of reading i have done about 4-aco-dmt it sounds so beautifull, i wish i could get hold of it :'(
 
how is the "hungover" of 4-aco-dmt? compared with LSD? do i need to sleep next day all day like LSD?

how long after can i sleep with this one?
 
another question. i had 30mg of 2cb 2 days will the cross-tolerance will the effects profile change (like diminish euphoria) or i just need to up the dose like LSD (150% ) to get the same effects pretended?
 
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It will diminish the effects greatly, making the trip bland and boring, and, imo you will be wasting your 4-aco-dmt.
 
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It will diminish the effects greatly, making the trip bland and boring, and, imo you will be wasting your 4-aco-dmt.
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with lsd its not the case, it just needs to up the dose. oh well 27mg +/- down the throat. in case it gets boring i will mix it with 4-ho-met or add mxe, plus i have n2o too ;)
 
last night was possed by a demon (yep), and then felt the presence of angels with my death cat.. then experienced death-rebirth.. trip report soon
 
4-aco-dmt - whats the best dose/setting

Interested in this compound and am getting ready to try experimentation. People seem to say the experience is similar to mushrooms, and I always had a significant bodyload on mushies, which meant that I never liked to be in public areas. However I hear 4-aco is more euphoric and am wondering is this something that is tolerable in public areas? Would it be ideal at a EDM show, or a more mellow concert?

Also I'm thinking a dose of 20 - 25 mg as I weigh about 230 lbs, if you have any ideas as to the most ideal experience with this chemical..

Maybe Ill take it down at the local "laser light show," sounds fitting for any chemical, psychedelic or not.
 
I don't have any experience going to concerts on 4-aco, but when I took 30 mg on the beach (mind you I only weigh like ~140 lbs) I had the best trip of my life and the most epic ++++ ever.

Then a few months later I tried 35 mg in the woods and actually tripped significantly less hard. There is a slight chance that impurities may have been at work but it was probably more to do with set and setting. However, there is also the chance that my 'peak' experience on 30 mg somehow was one of a kind and couldn't be repeated even if I'd done like 50mg, who knows.

The positives about being at the beach on it were the warm sunlight and the cool breeze making me feel really nice, also I had a nice spot to lay down on a towel and a friend with an ipod speaker so I could listen to music when I wanted. Also the beautiful clouds in the sky, the sand on the ground, and the endless ocean did a LOT for me visually.
 
I have taken 4-aco-dmt out at music events (synth/noise/techno) and it can be totally euphoric, really fun and like super clean digital mushrooms. However, it can sometimes have a really abrupt comeup and there have been a few times my friends have run away from a party when they are coming up because they get overwhelmed. I think as long as you keep in mind you are coming up and you will be ok in 15 minutes, it isn't really too much. 4-aco-dmt gives me great visuals. At marathon techno events I will start with a 2c-something and then take around 15-20 mgs of 4-aco-dmt a few hours later.
 
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