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I got varying degrees of nausea on the comeup of this one. Not so much during peak effects.
The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three
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paigethylamine
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yeah what I've noticed with this psychedelic is that the hallucinations are easy to interrupt or get distracted from, total darkness and quiet at 10 mg was everything I needed.
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thinking about taking some right now
Well maybe my stomach just needs to get used to it, i'm guessing it was from swallowing the drip from the back of my throat that caused the stomach irritation. I don't get this at all with anything else (like mxe for example) but maybe this one is a little different.
Same. I usually get awful nausea on the come-up that forces me to sit/lay still, but once I'm peaking, all bodyload is gone. Worth it, imo, even though sometimes when I am in the nauseous phase, all I want to do is die.
Also I finally got around to picking up my gram of 4-aco that has been waiting at the post office for weeks. It's HCl, so I'm hoping no degradation happened. Hopefully I'll be trying some this weekend (8
I am thinking plugging it might help with the stomach issues, but i would much rather insufflate it because it is so much easier. If i have a problem again the next time i don't want to give up, i'll probably try it atleast another 3 or 4 times.
I actually dont think plugging will solve it, you will most likely experience a worse bodyload, but with shorter duration. Plugging makes the drug enter really fast and the concentration rise very quick, which can be worsen nausea.
But if you wanna experience something intense, try plug, you peak after 10-15min.
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the come down is rough on me, Im working on getting a script for ativan anyway because I spend 90% of my time angry, and sometimes I smash and kick things. Such a prescription would be dually beneficial, I have a lot of feelings I need to snuff out. A friend of mine hooked me up with some, having one of the better days I've had in months. Anger and feelings are manageable.
background info:
me and gf, both 27 y old. experiences with LSD (30 times or more the past few years) 2cb, 2ci, 4aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, ...
me and my girlfriend each took 15mg (4-aco-dmt) yesterday... I was a little nervous during the come-up but especially because I noticed my girlfriend was a bit anxious... Something we both didn't have 3 weeks ago, when we tried this batch for the first time. (on a lower dose, 10mg)
We were laying in the couch, snuggling with my girl... then we had sex for a while and took things to the bedroom but then it got too weird all of a sudden cause i was peaking... (normally i don't have any problems with this, at least not on lsd) We went outside for some frsh air and it felt really good. Back inside we spent the rest of the time on the couch laughing our asses off and having fun with each other (very mushroom like)... listening to music, being silly,good bodyload, good high, nice visuals, I was really having a good time.
After T+3.5 most of the effects started fading and I was feeling fine, I did notice I had to go pee every 15 minutes... and I felt some pain in my back when i was pissing (kidneys..) I went to the bathroom 5 times in an hour (big amounts of pee) Then I started to feel bad, i was dizzy and hot and cold and all of a sudden i started panicking.. I had to go outside, head between my legs because i felt like passing out. My girlfriend gave me some dextrose because it felt like i had low bloodsugar.. (this all happened in 5minutes) I called my friend who's a doctor and asked him if he wanted to come over for a little checkup.. By the time he got there I was feeling ok again.. So i had a panick attack... and i was low on sugar..
It ruined the trip even though it was in the end.. I felt irresponsible for some reason.. Because I just ordered a whole bunch of RC's and now I feel like I'm playing with my health or something..
I took a xanax and went to bed at 1AM.
This morning, 6AM, my girlfriend wakes up because she had to throw up. She threw up 3 or 4 times (a lot). Helped her out and got out of bed to go to work... she called her work and she's staying home. I'm taking off the afternoon and have a bad case of diarrhea all of a sudden..
Could it be related? What are your thoughts on this? Has anyone experienced anything alike?
me and gf, both 27 y old. experiences with LSD (30 times or more the past few years) 2cb, 2ci, 4aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, ...
me and my girlfriend each took 15mg (4-aco-dmt) yesterday... I was a little nervous during the come-up but especially because I noticed my girlfriend was a bit anxious... Something we both didn't have 3 weeks ago, when we tried this batch for the first time. (on a lower dose, 10mg)
We were laying in the couch, snuggling with my girl... then we had sex for a while and took things to the bedroom but then it got too weird all of a sudden cause i was peaking... (normally i don't have any problems with this, at least not on lsd) We went outside for some frsh air and it felt really good. Back inside we spent the rest of the time on the couch laughing our asses off and having fun with each other (very mushroom like)... listening to music, being silly,good bodyload, good high, nice visuals, I was really having a good time.
After T+3.5 most of the effects started fading and I was feeling fine, I did notice I had to go pee every 15 minutes... and I felt some pain in my back when i was pissing (kidneys..) I went to the bathroom 5 times in an hour (big amounts of pee) Then I started to feel bad, i was dizzy and hot and cold and all of a sudden i started panicking.. I had to go outside, head between my legs because i felt like passing out. My girlfriend gave me some dextrose because it felt like i had low bloodsugar.. (this all happened in 5minutes) I called my friend who's a doctor and asked him if he wanted to come over for a little checkup.. By the time he got there I was feeling ok again.. So i had a panick attack... and i was low on sugar..
It ruined the trip even though it was in the end.. I felt irresponsible for some reason.. Because I just ordered a whole bunch of RC's and now I feel like I'm playing with my health or something..
I took a xanax and went to bed at 1AM.
This morning, 6AM, my girlfriend wakes up because she had to throw up. She threw up 3 or 4 times (a lot). Helped her out and got out of bed to go to work... she called her work and she's staying home. I'm taking off the afternoon and have a bad case of diarrhea all of a sudden..
Could it be related? What are your thoughts on this? Has anyone experienced anything alike?
Delysid, your trip sounds similar to some parts of one that I had recently, off of a new batch, and a new vendor. Mine was also HCl, whereas I've only had experience with fumarate before.
a) Anxiety on the come-up, definitely. 4-aco seems to have a bit of a rough come-up compared to something like LSD. So that's nothing unusual.
b) Peeing all the time while tripping.. also not unusual imo. Do your kidneys still hurt, or have they pained you at any point past the trip? If not, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It might have been psychosomatic.
c) In my last trip, I was ecstatic because I wasn't nauseous during the come-up (and I normally find myself on the verge of vomiting for the entire come-up). However, at some random point during the plateau/come-down, I was walking with my friends, and all of a sudden it was like my muscles were giving up on me. My whole body became heavy, and I felt like I was going to vomit if I didn't sit down. As soon as we reached our destination, I had to lay down on the floor and just breathe. The moment passed, but it was quite uncomfortable.
d) Shortly after my friend came down, he vomited in my trash can (bleck). I found this really strange, but thinking back on it, he was probably dehydrated. Could this have been the case for your girlfriend?
a) Anxiety on the come-up, definitely. 4-aco seems to have a bit of a rough come-up compared to something like LSD. So that's nothing unusual.
b) Peeing all the time while tripping.. also not unusual imo. Do your kidneys still hurt, or have they pained you at any point past the trip? If not, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It might have been psychosomatic.
c) In my last trip, I was ecstatic because I wasn't nauseous during the come-up (and I normally find myself on the verge of vomiting for the entire come-up). However, at some random point during the plateau/come-down, I was walking with my friends, and all of a sudden it was like my muscles were giving up on me. My whole body became heavy, and I felt like I was going to vomit if I didn't sit down. As soon as we reached our destination, I had to lay down on the floor and just breathe. The moment passed, but it was quite uncomfortable.
d) Shortly after my friend came down, he vomited in my trash can (bleck). I found this really strange, but thinking back on it, he was probably dehydrated. Could this have been the case for your girlfriend?
Penthos
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The comeup can be a little unnerving because of how fast it happens. The effects build upon each other at an alarming rate, especially when you're used to a 45-90 minute come-up time. I avoid this by putting it into a drink and slowly drinking it over 20 or so minutes. But I find I only need to do this with dosages above 20mg.
As for sleep, I can sleep at the drop of a hat after the 4 hour mark. YMMV.
As for sleep, I can sleep at the drop of a hat after the 4 hour mark. YMMV.
Thanks for the reply.
I've tried 4-HO-MET numerous of times and really enjoy it, but I'm looking for something with more depth, can anyone more a comparison with these to? I know 4-HO-MET is eyecandy and pretty lighthearted. Is 4-AcO-DMT alot stronger?
I've tried 4-HO-MET numerous of times and really enjoy it, but I'm looking for something with more depth, can anyone more a comparison with these to? I know 4-HO-MET is eyecandy and pretty lighthearted. Is 4-AcO-DMT alot stronger?
I think people read things like this in threads and it kinda gives you a placebo effect.
I would say 4-aco-dmt is one of the most tolerable come ups out of all psychedelics.
My lady friend's first trip ever was on 20mg, she said she felt a little sick while we were waiting for it to kick in. We were just sitting down staring at some trees. Then I suggested we get up and move and about 5 minutes later we were laughing our asses off and proceeded to go for a bike ride on the town.
The come up is very fast even orally so that may have something to do with it. Gets you feeling wavy real quick
I think people read things like this in threads and it kinda gives you a placebo effect.
I would say 4-aco-dmt is one of the most tolerable come ups out of all psychedelics.
My lady friend's first trip ever was on 20mg, she said she felt a little sick while we were waiting for it to kick in. We were just sitting down staring at some trees. Then I suggested we get up and move and about 5 minutes later we were laughing our asses off and proceeded to go for a bike ride on the town.
The come up is very fast even orally so that may have something to do with it. Gets you feeling wavy real quick
I strongly disagree. I got some nausea, and sometimes anxiety in the comeup, is fairly intense at least for me, feels like a mix of speed + shrooms but it only lasts like 30-40mn so its still quiet torable.
Jesusgreen
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Delysid, I find 4-AcO-DMT is a very anxiogenic compound, and panic attacks have happened to me during many of my trips. The issue I find is this tryptamine has the master key to all those dark cupboards in your brain where you hide all your problems and doubts, and it'll unlock them all and throw everything out into the open, no matter how many skeletons lay in wait.
For me this is one of the reasons I find this a very therapeutic and helpful psychedelic though, as it's very hard to deny any of your problems after it's thrown them out into the open, and then you're left with the ability to deal with them
Generally if you don't want to deal with those dark thoughts I'd suggest a lower dose though. I also find for me insufflating 4-AcO-DMT is less anxiogenic, maybe because I know I have less time until I'm back down again if things do go bad.
For me this is one of the reasons I find this a very therapeutic and helpful psychedelic though, as it's very hard to deny any of your problems after it's thrown them out into the open, and then you're left with the ability to deal with them
Generally if you don't want to deal with those dark thoughts I'd suggest a lower dose though. I also find for me insufflating 4-AcO-DMT is less anxiogenic, maybe because I know I have less time until I'm back down again if things do go bad.
HighonLife
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so whats the difference between the fumarate and the hcl versions of 4 aco dmt?
from what i gathered it requires more fumarate to reach equal results as the hcl?
are there any noticable differences in how it feels? is there anything else worth noting about the two different types? which do most of yall prefer?
from what i gathered it requires more fumarate to reach equal results as the hcl?
are there any noticable differences in how it feels? is there anything else worth noting about the two different types? which do most of yall prefer?
I've found them to be mostly the same in terms of dosages, eg. a 25mg trip with HCl and a 25mg with fumarate had little noticeable differences. The only disparities I've found is that the HCl form seems to give a shorter trip, and the visuals fade away quicker. Although that could just be because of different batches. -shrug-
asparks206
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I thought the comeup was awesome, like blasting off into space. I also really appreciated how rapid it was, within a minute of snooting I could notice a marked physiological change & just knew I was going to on another planet soon. I even liked the comedown, as the visuals clarified themselves before dissipating altogether. Extra bonus: no lingering physical or mental after-effects. The peak & the trip, however, was very intense & unsettling-not a bad trip, per se, but confounding in it's structure to say the least. My main complaint is this guy didn' provide me with any breakthroughs or new understandings about the universe. Maybe it's language is of such a complex nature that one must study it with focus, but it shouts so loud that your neurons cringe. Maybe it's a dopey psychedelic, just for the fun of seeing cool shit
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