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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

SamhainGrim said:
I think there are fake Martin Dows flooding the market as we speak
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Yes there are, I got some about 6 months ago, only bought a hundred, gave about 90 to a friend, seem to vary between 1 and 5mg per pill (mainly they were around the 1-2mg mark IMO), I'm not even sure they're diaz. They were a step up from a couple of types of "roche" I'd bought previously though. They just looked like standard pakistani roche tbh.

I am not very experienced with benzos though, so my opinion is not gospel.

I've got some Indian generics now I'm happy with, though I've been told they not 10mg by a more experienced benzo user, but they are consistent, which is what i'm looking for, and they are diaz.
 
@ Skyline_GTR.

I'm glad to hear your Etizolam withdrawl wasnt too bad. Apart from insomnia, how about any anxiety issues though ?. You dont mention this at all, so presumably it simply isnt much of an issue for you ? Did you notice any increase in anxious/negative type thoughts atall on your withdrawl ?

(when i start my taper off Etizolam i think i'll be able to cope with the insomnia somehow or other, but the potential effects on anxiety levels/general state of mind are already concerning me)
 
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mydrugbuddy from one person to another the WD you get will be completely different. So you just gotta play it how you it comes to you. :\

When you drop you will find out, but do the taper REALLY SLOW. I cannot express how important that is, it aint a race!!! Who cares if you add another month on?
 
Had some Zepose 10mg from india Cipla LTD, they were pretty good I'd say for the price. Can't compare against scripted stuff as I so rarely get any but I know Diaz reasonably well, its become a good friend of mine ;)
 
DoG Valium

what a fukin rip off !

I mean the pooch was prescribed em n the vets charged about £36 if i remember rightly.

Same as human valium as well so that was an expensive 56 blues well the dog had 2 but just wasn't feelin em .
 
Ive got some martin dow 10mg valium, pretty sure they are fakes lol some of the pills are facing in different directions in the packet, and they have "Roche 10" on them lol, got about 100 and every batch number is the same, same as the ones I got a few months ago :\. Definitley some diaz in there though they do vary, I dont take them that often though so cant really be sure. A lot better than the last ones I got anyway, which were white and just had a score on them, they were weak atleast these are alot ebtter,
 
mattnotrik said:
got about 100 and every batch number is the same, same as the ones I got a few months ago :\. Definitley some diaz in there though they do vary, I dont take them that often though so cant really be sure. A lot better than the last ones I got anyway, which were white and just had a score on them, they were weak atleast these are alot ebtter,
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I was wondering about the batch number thing too. Every order of Etilaam ive received from overseas over the last few months has had the same batch number. Was beginning to think something was dodgy. :\ How many pills are meant to be in a batch (roughly), Could one batch consist of thousands of boxes? Otherwise they cant be selling that few to still be on the same batch as the product is listed as their number one best seller. Does this definately suggest that the packaging at least is fake ?

The product itself seems to contain the proper ingredient, but their strength does seem to vary.
 
I dont really know much about the ins and outs of pharm companys or diaz products but the pills facing in different directions in the packet, is that normal? If not its a bit strange could be that they are fakes, but that happens with every diaz ive ever bought, not sure if Ive ever had any real ones, the more recent martin dows are the strongest ive had though, these are the exact ones. Apart from the ones on mine have a batch number written vertically on the far right in like red, so fuck knows Also where it says roche on this mine say martin dow, so .. fake?

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I'd say fake, but if they got diaz in and you happy with them, why worry.

I think they the same as the "Martin Dows" I picked up and ended up giving away. Low dose at best.
 
mattnotrik said:
I dont really know much about the ins and outs of pharm companys or diaz products but the pills facing in different directions in the packet, is that normal? If not its a bit strange could be that they are fakes, but that happens with every diaz ive ever bought, not sure if Ive ever had any real ones, the more recent martin dows are the strongest ive had though, these are the exact ones. Apart from the ones on mine have a batch number written vertically on the far right in like red, so fuck knows Also where it says roche on this mine say martin dow, so .. fake?

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Fucking fakes!! although mine have 'under license the hoffman la roche, basel, switzerland, but still i expect 30mgs to put a dent in a phet high :( pissed off!
 
I won't even consider Roche any more, there must be 10X as many fakes as there are real ones.

Just got badly ripped off from a PK shipment, all fakes or so low dose there next to useless and I got them in for a taper ....oh the fun of it all ;)
 
Go back about 6 months and you'll see i predicted this would happen , flood the market give people a taste & in some case an addiction and then re flood the market with fakes rip loads of folk off n make $$$$
 
I made a post on here around 6 months ago sayin that the snide benzo market would go tits up, this was when folk were all chatting about it n i believe i was right.

N don't start please
 
How am I starting? I'm just pointing out that a) there were already many snide benzos long before 6 months ago. And b) then saying 'well I'm glad I don't have to enter the market then' when you've just been making predictions on it doesn't really much sense. That was all, not starting anything brimz.
 
been getting Roche blister pack valium for ages now... only tend to buy them in blister packs, although had some MSJs awhile back which felt ok-ish... but kinda off. the roche always seem to do the trick though, even if they are fakes. tbh mine probably are fakes.. but fuck it... as long as they work
 
mydrugbuddy said:
@ Skyline_GTR.

I'm glad to hear your Etizolam withdrawl wasnt too bad. Apart from insomnia, how about any anxiety issues though ?. You dont mention this at all, so presumably it simply isnt much of an issue for you ? Did you notice any increase in anxious/negative type thoughts atall on your withdrawl ?

(when i start my taper off Etizolam i think i'll be able to cope with the insomnia somehow or other, but the potential effects on anxiety levels/general state of mind are already concerning me)
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Good luck with the taper.. I think some of it will depend on what your mind state was before you started on the Etizolam.. if you took it for insomnia then the insomnia is going to be back big time.. if you took it for anxiety then the anxiety is going to be back for sure..

For me, no real anxiety issues have been experienced except a couple of times when the actual fear of a serious withdrawal developing got the better of me, even though only mild WD symptoms eventually materialised, like the rebound insomnia (which was always a given) and head zaps etc. But then i had no anxiety before all this started, it was just to get a good nights sleep.. towards the end, during december, i had a couple of day time stimulant occasions and that was the first time I took them during the day (1-2mg) for post stim use anxiety/jitteryness..

Most of the negative type thoughts were to do with the fear of serious withdrawal, which as said never transpired.. but I'm still drinking a fair bit every night to get to sleep though, I need to taper down the alcohol now lol.. i've also had the odd 1mg tablet here and there last week, but only when i wake up at 4 or 5am in the morning and cant get back to sleep, and just 1mg does the trick.

So I dont know, I was probably pretty lucky on reflection.. I couldnt believe it had been 7 months of fairly high dose, it just creeps up on you.. I think maybe etizolam is a little more forgiving than some "proper" benzos, but I dont know what part individual genetic make up plays, and I'm sure there could be big trouble for some people abusing it regularly for long periods. I found very little info online about Etizolam withdrawal specifically, but I did read somewhere on BL that one person dropped from 10mg/day to 4mg/day and was promptly hospitalised following a seizure... so the potential is definitely there and a taper is the best option I guess.
 
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