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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

Sorry but posting things like what you did above was just moronic. If you hadn't got those diaz you would have been at very serious risk as said above. When you end up in these situations they would script you benzos. I know someone who has a history of being suicidal and a drug addict, he was still scripted something like 30mg a day coming off 150mg a day diaz addiction. Going by what you've said above anyway it sounds like the best thing you could do is get some help with your taper. Good luck!
 
Rockstar, man, what's the point of 'just moronic', addressed to a clearly depressed/distressed individual facing a dangerous w/d? Yes, it wasn't a good idea to CT off his doses: and posting here and getting these responses might have helped him realise it. I wish just stopping was an option, too - haven't we all, once it's much too late? Don't mean to give you a hard time, but as another self-inflicted etizolam victim, I can tell you that w/d - even with a fairly gentle taper - leaves you oversensitive and easily upset. It's not helpful to be hit with harsh words.

As to help with tapers...does anyone know if Etizolam shows up positive for benzos in a blood test, and whether such a test would need to be administered before getting a taper script? I'm wondering if it might not make more sense to get on diazepam, legit - rather than tapering down from 5mgs a day of short-acting etizolam.

It's a toss-up, really: either more short-term pain and less long-term dependency, or less short-term pain and a longer taper, if I can find a doc who a) knows etizolam exists and b) isn't scared to prescribe for a taper owing to recent press coverage of frankly opportunistic lawsuits for 'over-prescription'? My current surgery's useless on the subject.
 
You can't just walk in a Surgery and demand a benzo taper these days .

A doctor that has been in practice for over 25 years is more likely to listen and maybe script you , my doc has been in practice since 1973 & does prescribe to long term addicts like myself & also does not put any pressure on me to taper , although i have reduced since i have been with him .


Where as with a younger GP you don't stand much of a chance of getting much understanding , they have had it drilled in to them to not prescribe pams full stop.
 
I'm sorry for causing any drama, but i've been self prescribing benzos for almost two years. Yes, I know it's a stupid thing to do but I literally wasn't getting any sleep at all and could hardly leave the house. I've tried several doctors, and each of them pretty much seem to come up with the same conclusion - i'm too young to be using benzos. They were keen enough to prescribe me promazine (an antipsychotic) and citalopram but all that did was made the situation even worse. Three doctors later, I started ordering diazepam from the internet and pretty my depression, anxiety and sleep problems were pretty much cured. I told my current doctor about this, and he pretty much accused me of drug seeking and said that he couldn't prescribe them to me with a clear conscience.

Fast forward about a year and I switch to etizolam (cheaper and legal) and I start having to take more and more of a dose for sleep. I know that the situation i'm in is entirely my fault and i'm not trying to blame anybody else.
 
@az5000 I understand you self medicating completely, doctors these days would rather u iv heroin, take methadone or drink yourself silly than give u benzos to help your socail anxiety problems. years ago they literally through them at patients , now they make u feel a criminal for asking. BENZO habit OR being HOUSEBOUND, the doctor should at least try a few benzos than as you pointed out, anti pychotics which rarely work for what is a dibilitating mental illness like yours.
life long addiction is better than years/decades of mental pain imo. good look brother, human being have always self medicated their pain since time began, you are neither weak or melodramatic, just a guy in unbearable pain. get well soon donnie
 
I'm going to miss my benzo ridden Australia when I get over to the UK later this year. :(

I forgot to go to my doctor today and pick up a script for flunitrazepam. Sigh.

I should avoid benzo's anyway, but as long as it's not alprazolam i'm kinda safe....

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brimz is totally correct, my doc has been in practice since 1978 & he's been really good about giving me a slow taper off diazepam the past few months. Last month i said i didnt want to be on it anymore as it isn't working anymore & is making me feel dumb, so i asked to be switched from 4-6 mg of diaz per day to an occasional 14 or 21 count script of 10 mg oxazepam & he was happy to do so.

I'm actually quite liking the oxazepam. At first i only took 10 to 30 mg for mild/moderate anxiety & never felt any 'buzz' just anxiolysis, however on new years day i was feeling a little rough the morning after taking mdma & drinking, felt fine when i woke up except for a headache so i took 60 mg of codeine, then later on about 1 in the afteroon i began to have 'moderate anxiety' where i just couldnt relax & generally felt weird in a bad way so i took 60 mg of oxazepam & an hour later i felt sooo much better & even had a really pleasant buzz like i used to get off 20 mg of valium.

In summary i'd say oxazepam is a very nice benzo, you just need to take enough.
 
Just to add to the info on withdrawing from regular etizolam abuse since there isnt much info that ive found, i'll tell my story..

i've always been a terrible insomniac, it comes and goes over the years, but even in better times i have very light sleep, waking up many times, especially during stressful periods.

So along comes this new-ish "RC" etizolam.. never had much experience of benzos etc, just used to use zopiclone & promethazine combined to knock me out in the worst periods, and then here's these etizolam pills that work great in giving me a good nights sleep, or what seems like a good night sleep.

So I start taking them every night from around late May.. well i can count on one hand the nights I didnt have any in 7-8 months, and that was the odd occasion when i went out and got too wasted on booze.

doses started at 2-3mg nightly, and eventually ended up 3-6mg depending on the amount of booze i'd drank or ODT i'd had. but id take them a leaast an hour before i went to bed, to catch some euphoria.

I think the saving grace was the dose variance and mostly never touching them during the day, also it was never a constant dose increase, more up and down, and i didnt feel much tolerance was building, the reasons for taking more were largely recreational and the good sleep was just a benefit. but suffice to say the average was 4mg/night towards october onwards and in fact towards the end, december, I even had the odd one during the day too if I was feeling a little anxious.

So i have a christmas holiday abroad booked, a week away, and think its an opportune time to knock them on the head once and for all, and figured some winter sun would be the best place to deal with rebound insomnia, any mild WDs etc.

but then the day before i go away, I do some reading up on benzo withdrawals which i naively didnt really pay much heed to previously, and shit myself at what i read, and the cold turkey prospect, read quite a few horror stories and the only thing that comforted me was that the literature seemed to imply that etizolam was a little more forgiving in terms of how fast physical dependence develops, with the caveat that genetic make up could make it more liable or less liable for serious WDs.. but because i'd never had more than 24 hours off them in 7 months, I had no idea if there was any physical dependence, I'd never left it long enough to see if WDs appeared. so there was the dilema.. do i smuggle a load in my luggage and start a taper to be continued on my return from holiday. Or do i cold turkey but take a few in case of emergency?

Well I took an emergency 20 x 1mg along with me (holiday was 1 week) and decided to stick it out. last 2mg was the night before we left. felt a bit funny 24 hours later, skin felt strange, everything was too bright (not used to hot sunny weather though!), didnt feel good at all.. first two nights I boshed myself to sleep on wine and whisky. but then the rebound insomnia hit harder than I imagined, no amount of booze helped, didnt get a wink of sleep for next 2 days, started getting (mild) "brain zaps" too, little shocks in my head. But nothing that was too worrying, after 96 hours from last dose, i thought that if it was going to be bad it would have been BAD by then, so the main thing was the annoying brain zaps and terrible insomnia. So i then took 1mg from the emergency bag to get to sleep, this was first in 96 hours... 1mg wouldnt have touched the sides 2 weeks earlier, but this time let me drift off to sleep and got rid of the brain zaps..

back home now, had 1mg again last night but made sure it was only after trying for an hour to fall asleep and therefore wasnt to do with getting recreational effects. I'm very releived it wasnt as bad as i'd thought it might be, no seizures or even close (although i was drinking small amounts of alcohol during the day which i suppose may have helped), so I think i'll just take 1mg on an ad-hoc basis now when the insomnia is really bad. but long term goal, i need to learn to sleep semi-naturally again and thats going to be really hard. dont abuse these drugs daily is the lesson ive learned, it seemed so benign and was easy to slip into the nightly habit for a bit of a buzz and a good nights sleep, but I now realise I was pretty lucky not to have the holiday from hell.
 
Not seen you around in a while Skyline hope your feeling better now. Sounds pretty lucky it wasn't worse tbh, 7 months of daily dosing with diaz would have been much worse W/D's I'd think. I'd been debating ordering some etiz after reading some horror stories about Asian valium found to be containing some horror substances, can never get them for hangovers anymore round here as the guy selling them got sectioned. Etiz seemed a good bet but SHM's story about the vivid nightmares when he stopped after a few days of use put me off. Did you not experiance any of this?
 
^feeling much better now thanks, mostly relieved it wasnt too bad. The first two nights when I slept due to stupid amounts of booze, I had vivid, crazy dreams for sure, but not nightmares.. I guess its a fine line whether a vivid dream turns into a vivid nightmare depending on set/setting/other factors, and since I was in a very nice place and had opportunity to try to relax, that might have made the difference..

But yes I know I was lucky.. the thing that shit me up the most before left was reading about people getting a decent physical dependence from 3mg/day xanax after 4-6 months, and yes xanax is double the potency of etizolam, but I was taking up to 6mg etizoloam a night.. I think it helped that my dose, whilst regularly every night, wasnt consistent, for the latter 3 months it was 3-6mg/night depending on what i was doing, with an average of 4mg probably and until the last two weeks I never touched it during the day really.

Also there was some paper I found that suggested that etizolam is a bit more forgiving than the classical benzos in terms of developing tolerance and physical dependence, and I think this might be the case for me.. but a lot of what I read said that individual genetics also can have a big factor.. some lucky sods in the minority dont get any serious withdrawls at all from benzos on cold turkey. Regardless, I've got a lot more respect for these drugs now, abusing them is some pretty serious shit, but I just didnt think at the time.
 
I'm going to miss my benzo ridden Australia when I get over to the UK later this year. :(

I forgot to go to my doctor today and pick up a script for flunitrazepam. Sigh.

I should avoid benzo's anyway, but as long as it's not alprazolam i'm kinda safe....

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Coming to the U.K are you intresting .

What makes you think we need anymore benzo addicted Menatlists , we have plenty already ;)

You clearly have issues , i mean who in their right mind forgets8o to pick up a RooFie script.

Or do you have special skills that you can use to help us ,or teach us i'm intrested honestly :)
 
Dpends wht brand if they from abroad, there are a fair few decent uns that are cnstsitant

good luck atm mate hope you do better than me

Still on the taper mate TBH these tabs are shite I'm gonna make a big cut in the dose and see how much placebo is really going on.

I though I was ordering proper DAZ tabs but there even faking these now, when they turned up and apart from most of the order being another brand altogether they were all basically the same Blue coloured PK shite we all know and hate so well. Was a vendor I'd used before as well, but what can you do? he suggested I place another order and he'd send me double !! there's nothing like good customer service and this was nothing like............
 
Martin Dow seems to be the most legit atm well it was when I was taking them.Good luck with your taper you will feel much healthier eventually..Im giving up the fags am down to 5 a day from 20 hope to be off them in a few days .Im breathing easier and feel good !
 
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Problem is in PK anything and everything can be copied, you can't trust anything until you've sample it and you cant get a refund from PK. I'm best off the stuff anyhow I have absolutely no self control and always end up doing stupid amounts.

I gave up the fags 10 years back so good luck to you mate, my best advice is to switch to a substitute, the inhalers are good better than the lozenges that I used when I gave up, just trying to stop even when you've cut down is gonna be a lot less likely to be successful than if you use a substitute. My old man gave up after 50 years using the inhalers, he was on them for about 18 months but they broke the ritualized habit and associations and he eventually lost interest.

At least with the subs you can have a drag anywhere you like, train, office pub etc..I'd get some on hand anyway at least that way if you feel; like your gonna cave in you can use them and not light up

BTW, always meant to ask are you actually "the" joe90" 90's DJ?
 
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Problem is in PK anything and everything can be copied, you can't trust anything until you've sample it and you cant get a refund from PK. I'm best off the stuff anyhow I have absolutely no self control and always end up doing stupid amounts.

I gave up the fags 10 years back so good luck to you mate, my best advice is to switch to a substitute, the inhalers are good better than the lozenges that I used when I gave up, just trying to stop even when you've cut down is gonna be a lot less likely to be successful than if you use a substitute. My old man gave up after 50 years using the inhalers, he was on them for about 18 months but they broke the ritualized habit and associations and he eventually lost interest.

At least with the subs you can have a drag anywhere you like, train, office pub etc..I'd get some on hand anyway at least that way if you feel; like your gonna cave in you can use them and not light up

BTW, always meant to ask are you actually "the" joe90" 90's DJ?

Thanks for the advice I think Ill use it.
I'm actually the actor Joe90 here's a link to some of my work.Tell me what you think of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsMx1DGfNk
 
I used to watch that as a kid, I've even got a 10" (thats right a 10") record with the theme tune on as I love it sooo much think its called "No Strings Attached" and has stingray and others on there to. You have a right to your mystery I'll leave it at that, but I went to a do at the Astoria many moons ago and Joe90 rocked the place ....so either way respect tp a man like Joe90:)
 
Problem is in PK anything and everything can be copied, you can't trust anything until you've sample it and you cant get a refund from PK. I'm best off the stuff anyhow I have absolutely no self control and always end up doing stupid amounts.

I think there are fake Martin Dows flooding the market as we speak, so expect a Karachi Roche type situation. Although the counterfeiters still seem to be churning out Roche, god bless 'em.

For some reason Indian meds don't seem to be counterfeited a fraction as much as their Pakistani counterparts. Have you tried the Nicholas Piramal ones? They bought the licence from Roche for the Indian market, like Martin Dow did for Pakistan. I've only had them once or twice but they were really good, definitely as good as anything prescribed in the UK.
 
Yup whole load of Martin Dows.

Best ones are are non-brand, not pretending anything. Easily the best valium non NHS iv had. Guess I was just lucky. Im sure a few people on here get the ones I can, would be VERY surprised if not single person on EADD gets them!
 
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