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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2
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Absolutely shitty fucking day. My mum absolutely destroyed my taper plan by flushing all my Etizolams down the toilet (after opening my mail without my permission. No money to buy some new ones and no doctor worth his salt is going to prescribe be any after my previous history).
Was planning titrating from 20mg a day to 0 in the space of a week or so). Hopefully I won't have a seizure or something.
Was planning titrating from 20mg a day to 0 in the space of a week or so). Hopefully I won't have a seizure or something.
wcote
Greenlighter
Aye, if from what I understand 1mg of etiz equals 10mg Diazepam, then you have your self a 20 x 10mg a day habit..... get yourself to a DR. Because you are DEFFO at a very very high risk of a seizure, and even risk of death.
Any DR worth their salt will prescribe to you. Your past abuse does not matter, you will be put on daily consumption or pick up.
Any DR worth their salt will prescribe to you. Your past abuse does not matter, you will be put on daily consumption or pick up.
FlippingTop
Bluelighter
couldn't give a fuck, I probably deserve a seizure. Been experiencing anxiety related symptoms for years, sleeping 1-3 hours a night and even then the most a doctor would do is throw me a couple of zopiclone (might as well have been sugar pills) and tell me to have a warm bath before bed. Now on top of all that i'm going to have benzo withdrawl to cope with thanks to this system of doctors being too scared to script anything stronger than calpol.
shit yourself to A&E ....if you really really really aren't going to seek medical help and I strongly advice that you do then I can only suggest you get yourself some alcohol, that may well tide you over until you can get yourself properly sorted. I know I'll get shot down in flame for suggesting it but its better than nothing at all.
As I said I still strongly advise you go straight to A&E and seek professional help, I know this might seem like a big thing to do, but it will cause you allot less hassle than arriving there in the back of an ambulance.
As I said I still strongly advise you go straight to A&E and seek professional help, I know this might seem like a big thing to do, but it will cause you allot less hassle than arriving there in the back of an ambulance.
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I really wish I could go to hospital but if I had another episode then my family sure as hell would throw me out. I still have two etiz left so hopefully that should tide me over today + tomorrow so I can order some more for monday. The reason I take benzos is because they allow me to functional normally, go outside, talk to people etc. Doctors always just assume i'm drug seeking even after several suicide attempts.
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To be fair to the GPs they aren't really in a position to provide you with a long term script for Benzos for social anxiety and Benzos arent the answer anyhow.
If your GP is not offering you any kind of treatment, you have these social anxiety issues and have attempted suicide I'd get myself a new GP, I've done it a few times and it really is not difficult you just ring up another surgery and register, if there full ring another.
Filling your self up with Benzos is just going to end in a right old mess, believe me I know, they are for short term ( maybe 3-4 weeks at most) use, you tolerance is way out of control. I am currently in the same situation with Diaz....again.
I'm sure its elsewhere in this thread but read the Heather Ashton Manual (google is your friend) its a great resourse on this subject.
Find yourself a new doctor if your not happy with the one you have they will refer you to a substance abuse service who will help you get off those Benzos and at the same time the doc should start to provide less dangerous meds for the anxiety and maybe get you some counseling.
Its a disgrace that you seem to have been left to fend for yourself when you are clearly ill and in need of medical treatment.
I've just started (today) tapering off Diaz so feel free to drop me a PM switching to Diaz is going to be a better option of possible for the taper as it has a much longer half life
I gave up the booze last year (Fek that feels like good thing to say ..so I keep saying it :D) so thats not an option for me and I would advice strongly you don't replace the benzos with booze as that is easily done and will just make things worse.
Best Wishes
To be fair to the GPs they aren't really in a position to provide you with a long term script for Benzos for social anxiety and Benzos arent the answer anyhow.
If your GP is not offering you any kind of treatment, you have these social anxiety issues and have attempted suicide I'd get myself a new GP, I've done it a few times and it really is not difficult you just ring up another surgery and register, if there full ring another.
Filling your self up with Benzos is just going to end in a right old mess, believe me I know, they are for short term ( maybe 3-4 weeks at most) use, you tolerance is way out of control. I am currently in the same situation with Diaz....again.
I'm sure its elsewhere in this thread but read the Heather Ashton Manual (google is your friend) its a great resourse on this subject.
Find yourself a new doctor if your not happy with the one you have they will refer you to a substance abuse service who will help you get off those Benzos and at the same time the doc should start to provide less dangerous meds for the anxiety and maybe get you some counseling.
Its a disgrace that you seem to have been left to fend for yourself when you are clearly ill and in need of medical treatment.
I've just started (today) tapering off Diaz so feel free to drop me a PM switching to Diaz is going to be a better option of possible for the taper as it has a much longer half life
I gave up the booze last year (Fek that feels like good thing to say ..so I keep saying it :D) so thats not an option for me and I would advice strongly you don't replace the benzos with booze as that is easily done and will just make things worse.
Best Wishes
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
LOL, you're probably right about the excuse thing. I will have to think up some better ones now. Only kidding, i will be trying to start it soon. From what i have gathered most researchers agree that Benzos start loosing their anxiolytic effects within a few months of constant use. Luckily that hasnt happened for me yet. But i dont want to be getting to that stage and then having to take ever increasing amounts due to tolerance..
Good luck with your taper ! I have found that making up your mind 100 % to do something is atleast half the battle. At least that was the case for me and smoking cigarettes. It wasnt all that difficult once i had 100 % determinatedly made my mind up. Not saying that its going to be easy to taper off benzos, im possibly talking nonsense in even making the comparison with cigarettes, but hopefully the point is a valid one..
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Where Wolf?
Bluelighter
Just wanted to add to the chorus above: 20mgs a day is a very high dose of Etizolam. Get to a doctor. I've recently tapered down from 10mgs + a day to 5, and that's taken a month of dropping 1mg a week. I suspect it'll be at least another month before I kick, and possibly longer if reducing 1mg a week-ten days gets harsher as I approach zero.
I'm not 100% sure about the equivalency charts that state 1mg Eti = 10 mgs diazepam, they don't - and never did - feel that strong, i.e. alprazolam-strong to me (and I'm talking pharm supplies, not the shitty RC crumbly blues). I've read claims elsewhere that etizolam is 5 to 6 times more powerful an anxiolytic than diaz:that seems more credible to me. But, of course, YMMV.
Anyway, whether 100 or 200 mgs a day, that's WAY too much to taper off of in a week. More like 6 months to a year, if you switch to diaz on prescription: but I have found dropping my etizolam dosage easier than trying to taper off of Valium. And with the short half-life, I'm hoping that it won't take too long for my brain to return to some semblance of normality once I'm clean.
I've found pregabalin to be helpful on dose-drop days, but that's not much help on New Year's day. Get to a hospital if you haven't left already.
I'm not 100% sure about the equivalency charts that state 1mg Eti = 10 mgs diazepam, they don't - and never did - feel that strong, i.e. alprazolam-strong to me (and I'm talking pharm supplies, not the shitty RC crumbly blues). I've read claims elsewhere that etizolam is 5 to 6 times more powerful an anxiolytic than diaz:that seems more credible to me. But, of course, YMMV.
Anyway, whether 100 or 200 mgs a day, that's WAY too much to taper off of in a week. More like 6 months to a year, if you switch to diaz on prescription: but I have found dropping my etizolam dosage easier than trying to taper off of Valium. And with the short half-life, I'm hoping that it won't take too long for my brain to return to some semblance of normality once I'm clean.
I've found pregabalin to be helpful on dose-drop days, but that's not much help on New Year's day. Get to a hospital if you haven't left already.
Your an honest man and that's to be applauded :D Your to be in the right mindset to cease taking something, I'm not convinced that's the same thing as actually wanting to stop taking it. You obviously wan to take due to your addiction and any feeling that you don't want to take it will likely dissapere when the WDs set in.
What you need is solid determination like you had with cigarettes (i gave up 10 years ago after a 15 year tobacco and hash habit).
Drop me a PM anytime of you want to talk about it of want help getting schedule together, I generally have tapered faster than the manual says, more pain but less chance of falling off the wagon
Best Wishes
wcote
Greenlighter
if you have a seizure and your walking up stairs you could die. let along walking across the road,
Talk it from an epileptic, seizures are fucking horrible. Thanks to seizures, I cant drive, iv fucked my back for life, I cant join the Army, and whole load of more things on top.
Talk it from an epileptic, seizures are fucking horrible. Thanks to seizures, I cant drive, iv fucked my back for life, I cant join the Army, and whole load of more things on top.
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Your an honest man and that's to be applauded :D Your to be in the right mindset to cease taking something, I'm not convinced that's the same thing as actually wanting to stop taking it. You obviously wan to take due to your addiction and any feeling that you don't want to take it will likely dissapere when the WDs set in.
What you need is solid determination like you had with cigarettes (i gave up 10 years ago after a 15 year tobacco and hash habit).
Drop me a PM anytime of you want to talk about it of want help getting schedule together, I generally have tapered faster than the manual says, more pain but less chance of falling off the wagon
Best Wishes
Thanks atm. I may well be taking you up on your offer at some point.
Where Wolf?
Bluelighter
How you doing, man? Post word when you can, I suspect I'm not the only BLer to be a little worried about you...
Managed to scrounge a flew diazepam off a mate, sorry if I scared anyone. Explained the situation to my mum and she threw them away because she assumed that they were ecstasy or something. Hopefully these will tide me over until I can get some more. Thanks for the concern though and i'll keep everyone updated 