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The Big & Dandy aMT Thread (3rd incarnation)

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I know this is one of those pointless posts, but that's making me grin mahoosively through my hangover, Interzone! aMT is gawjuss, innit? ;-)

Have a brilliant, safe, fun 2012!

Mxx
 
Gongratulations!=D It's quite a magical substance indeed. I have found that tolerance to psychedelic effects develops rapidly but the amphetamine like qualitites only get better when dosing multiple days. So if you want to trip properly i'd suggest taking at least few days break, but in my opionion the real aMT fun begins when the psychedelier parts have faded, sounds weird right? Hard to explain:D. You gotta see it to believe it.

I got new batch of aMT yesterday (light orangy base with a hint of a shit'esque olfactory orgasm compared to much more whitier and odourless one i had before). By the way I don't even think it smells that bad as other's have said, maybe i have somekind of perverted nostrils or something:\. I didn't even think of the smell when dosing today, when last night i could smell it clearly. Anyways...:D I plugged yesterday 55 mg of it and it was nothing like the one i had before. This time it was a full on serotonergic psychedelic trip. Was kind of disappointed at first because of what i was expecting but once the trip kicked in i was truly enjoying the experience. Not so much CEV's but strong trails and morphing all over the place. Again mentally it was very well under control in regards to the visual aspect. I found that the visuals were much more intensified in light opposed of darkness and when i went outside to smoke i could't believe how bright it was considering it was 9 PM. I vaped small amount's of it at the tail end of the trip and the brought a nice little rush, although very short lived. Vaping seems to lack the psychedelic side completely for me.

As the story goes on, i woke up today early afternoon (didn't really even wake up, the stimulation from vaping it when i should have just gone to sleep pretty much kept me up) ready for another go at the oh, so merry-aMT-go-around. I vaped 10 mg's or something and got the same nice but very short rush especially when followed by a cigarette. About 3 hours ago i plugged 60 mg's and this time the come up was very fast, i was having the same visuals within 30 mins. But to my surpise they faded, although not completely, very fast compred to last night. So tonight i'm not tripping but enjoying the exact same amphetamine like effects i loved so much about the last batch. So the lesson is: don't abuse aMT kids, instead proceed to dose for multiple days with an adamantium-hard determination and you shall have a pretty, pretty good time...

...Perhaps a trip report would have been better but there's really not much more to tell about as the trip never get's so deep as with other straight up psychs, at least at the dosages i've been taking.

Ps. Happy New Years Eve to all beautiful people of bluelight!<3

P.s.s. And to the not quite so beautiful too of course =D

May be a silly question but what do you mean by vape? Do you put the aMT on foil and smoke it? How many mg? Ive only done aMT twice and loved it, will be trying again soon so may try vaping a bit after I have taken some orally next time!
 
May be a silly question but what do you mean by vape? Do you put the aMT on foil and smoke it? How many mg? Ive only done aMT twice and loved it, will be trying again soon so may try vaping a bit after I have taken some orally next time!

Yup, chasing it off foil is the usual method. So long as it's freebase you've got? The stuff I've always had melts to a clear pale orange and runs really well. You get very little smoke off it, but even so it's really hard to keep down. Your bronchi kind of spasm to try and close it out, but fortunately you don't need a lot. 5 - 20mg is the usual range smoked, 20mg being a strong dose according to erowid. I tend to chase a small dose up to get things started waiting for an oral dose to kick in, 5-10mg, or chase 5-10mg 3-4 hours in to kick up a previously done oral dose. It's not worth chasing on its own. Don't get the right effects.
 
I know this is one of those pointless posts, but that's making me grin mahoosively through my hangover, Interzone! aMT is gawjuss, innit? ;-)

Have a brilliant, safe, fun 2012!

Mxx

Glad to ease your hangover Sparky! It is nectar from the Gods. The aMT that is :D, the hangover probably not so much
Though gotta add that i can't recommend vaping it all day long, that seems to make the tolerance rise faster (Duh!). Maybe dose max. once a day by other longer lasting ROA. By vaping the effects aren't so good after all as opposed of taking larger dose by other means at one go.

And Sean: Yes you put on a piece of foil and hold the lighter below. But not too close to burn it. Tilting the foil so the melted aMT moves along the foil following it with lighter makes it leave vapours behind which can be sucked through some tube. If somebody has a better technique, please share. It can be tricky at first.

And as Sepher said, vaping it on it's own isn't really worth it, i'd defintely save the aMT to be taken by some other route. But some people prefer vaping it, so you don't in which group you belong until trying it.

Didn't dose today, gotta take at least couple of days break to let the tolerance drop a little. Combined ethylphenidate with it yesterday. At the latter part of aMT trip though, with small snorted doses. Found it to be success, they synergized exellently, with aMT giving a trippier edge, and topping the ethylphenidates stimulation with aMT stimulation. Very strong mood boost and mental/imagination enchancement. Be wary though when combining them, I haven't seen any other reports combining them. Have dedicated my time since that on to raping my nose with ethylphenidate.
 
So, I had my first 2 experiences with aMT last week in England. Normally I wouldn't only space my trips out 3 days, but it was a short visit to a friend and we had plenty. We took 50mg each the first time, then 75mg each the next time.

In the first trip I completely cured myself of my anxiety. Something I've been trying for years with little/no success. So yay for aMT there :D

However, I came here to ask a question. aMT is a serotonin releaser, right? So should the 30 day rule not apply for it?

It's just, I had no comedown the first time doing it - and I had no comedown the first time I did 6-APB either, but when in England last week I took aMT, then 6-APB a day or two later, then aMT the next day. The 6-APB gave me a bad comedown, then I felt a little better.. but now 4 days after the last aMT experience I feel very lethargic, no energy, vertigo, my vision is a bit off, I feel very spacey, almost drunk.

I'm assuming it's the fact I took aMT twice and 6-APB once in such short intervals, but I wanted to ask here to be sure. Also, if it is the case, I'd like to know so I can avoid ever taking aMT more than once in a month - I don't think I could ever forgive myself if I ruined the magic with serotonergics.
 
^I think part of the reason aMT and 6-APB tend not to have bad comedowns for most is because their slow rise and decline of monoamine releasing action -- the brain has time to make adjustments or something (users probably eat and drink more often during their use than with MDMA or meth [which work in similar ways pharmacologically], too, which is one of the most easy and effective ways to mitigate comedowns). Still, as you've experienced, if you wring out your vessicles day after day with either compound it'll start to hurt eventually. Any drug that releases serotonin for a significant amount of time, and there are a ton of known or probable triple monoamine releasers (norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin) on the market, will leave you feeling drained eventually. Supplementing with 5-HTP for a few days (don't use it longer) might help recovery. I've heard if you take it rectally (mix with water and up she goes) it's much more likely to make it to your brain than orally (a route that some argue is pointless with 5-HTP).

Everyone should avoid taking any of these triple releasers often (aMT, mephedrone, 5/6-APB, methylone, 4-FA, and on and on). I think the "one month rule" is technically more like two months on average (though that's no fun), but if I recall correctly it varies by study and participants.
 
In the first trip I completely cured myself of my anxiety. Something I've been trying for years with little/no success. So yay for aMT there :D

Sounds like you had a wonderful experience, Jesus. :)

Obviously, I'm not familiar with the nature of your anxiety issues, and only YOU can be the judge of your own progress on that front, but I would be very hesitant to come to the immediate conclusion that you've been completely cured of your anxiety. It would be very easy to mistake the short-term after-effects of a powerful trip for a long-term change. And, in dealing with my own personal social anxiety, I've found that progress sadly *never* comes in sudden flashes of insight, or drug-induced revelations. It's a long, gradual trudge forward, and it mostly happens by simply exposing myself to the big, scary world and dealing with the resultant anxiety, rather than just sitting and meditating on it in a more comfortable setting.

In any case, I would be absolutely delighted, and fascinated, if aMT were to actually bring about this cure you claim. :) Do follow up with us in a month or two, and tell us whether the beneficial effects persist.

Just out of curiosity, and of course if you don't mind sharing, what particular type of anxiety have you suffered in the past? Generalized anxiety, social anxiety, etc.?
 
In the first trip I completely cured myself of my anxiety.
Ha, nice to hear. aMT the second time for evoked all anxiety type feelings that psychedelics can. I don't blame it though and am going to give it another chance but like TAC, I would be ungodly hesitant to make such a claim. If its not true and you have real panic, its going to feel like absolute shit and death when the feelings of anxiety either creep back or smash their way back in. IMO anxiety is something you can only exist with not be free off, especially if you certain styles or levels of constant anxiety. I wouldn't search for a cure for your anxiety rather I would do what I do, which is allow or let the hope that a cure is out there but more so spend time on focusing on curbing the anxiety. Learning to exist with it. Defeating it basically. It will still be with you but you will learn the tools to properly diffuse it. In my mind this is probably for the best anyways. Anyone with real anxiety, I believe would rather learn to live with anxiety than just try to cure it again and again with the possibility of full failure. Obviously everyone is different and your search and attitude may be leading you much further than I, for all i know so....just food for thought I suppose from one person with anxiety to another. Trips often have an effect where afterwards the afterglow will leave me in a perfectly calmed state for days. Things that would nearly tear my mind apart don't even make a dent. The stronger the trip, usually the stronger the effect or feelings of relief. Its great but it never lasts for me, this is why I don't really seek the cure through chemicals, it will most likely never be permanent and i'm not a constant user for the most part. You should definitely follow through with this though like TAC suggested as well, pretty interesting stuff.
 
My friend was having depersonalization/anxiety attacks after a seriously high dose of nbomes. Took some AMT. Been fine since.
 
Maybe I should have used the words cured my anxiety disorder, rather than cured my anxiety, would that be more appropriate?

Anxiety is a normal human construct, but it's excess of anxiety that causes problems. In my case it was social anxiety. I simply was unable to leave the house alone it was so severe. Even when I was with other people, the presence of anyone I wasn't close to would immediately trigger severe panic attacks that would cause my vision to black out, my heart to go crazy in my chest, and me to turn around and head inside.

After trying several different things with no luck, and remaining pretty much completely cooped up in my house for nearly 2 years, I'd actually pretty much given up on any hope of even dealing with my anxiety nevermind curing it completely. The aMT trip was supposed to just be good fun, visuals, and music appreciation, but I got more than I bargained for, in a wonderful way.

I don't think a psychedelic alone could cure someone like this, as in fact I did try and take psychedelics for this very purpose in the past, and instead I suffered horribly anxious trips, as if the drug itself were judging me for trying in that way. I think what was key is that the experience was with a friend, who guided me through it.

I've once heard someone say that psychedelics are like 10 years of therapy in one night, and that's pretty much what it was like. It felt like a very slow gradual breaking down of my anxiety until it was gone - but given that the entire experience lasted 16 hours, I hesitate when using the word "gradual".

I don't think either my friend, or the aMT could have cured me of my issues, but in combination, with an open mind, and a very good opportunity to test some of our theories the next night on New Years, viola, it was gone.

I could go into the actual detail about how I got through it all, and I'd gladly do so, especially for you TAC since you mentioned you have social anxiety. Though I would hasten to add that it's likely the messages on their own would do little - as I'd heard them many a time before and they never fixed anything, it was hearing them in that profoundly altered state that really struck me and made me realise how simple the answer to my problem was :D

The actual messages, and in fact the entire 16 hours of experience all boiled down to just 3 words, which is why I'm (rather safely) assuming it was the depth and psychedelia that led to them making such a great change.

But hey, when you get the message, hang up the phone :)
 
That's interesting JesusGreen. I certainly found that there was a period after my first few trips, maybe up to a week where I felt my depression had been cured. There was an after-glow for want of a better term in which many of the symptoms, which includes anxiety to a certain extent were almost completely absent, and I put that down to the peace and understanding and acceptance the insights gave me, as opposed to it being residual effects of the drug itself.

They came back after a bit, and the after-glow is not so noticeable any more, but I kind of think that's because I didn't fully follow through on the revelations I had while under the influence, and allowed myself to sink back into old and familiar bad habits. Drinking too much for one, constant negative self-talk being another. I have a feeling that if I'd put the revelations to better use and trusted them more, with the added perspective an objective counsellor would bring I could have got something more lastingly productive out of the experiences I think.
 
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So the aMT saved Jesus, eh ;)

I have had equally beneficial trips in the past from various other tryptamines and phenethylamines as well. So i can't say that aMT has been noticeably better than any of them in terms of it's therapeutic qualities, for me at least. But yeah, it's definitely good for self-therapy and guiding one's mind towards the ways to understand and overcome his/hers issues in life. On the flipside i find aMT perhaps even a bit too temptating, and that it could, unlike straight up psychedelics more rarely do, turn against itself by getting one addicted to it, after curing one's other addictions and anxieties etc.
 
^In the past I've stored aMT HCl at room temperature for years without any change in color, consistency, or potency. It seems to be far more stable than the freebase. From what I've read you can convert to the HCl simply be going to a pool supply shop and buying muriatic acid (make sure it's just diluted HCl and water), dumping the minimum amount of HCl solution (add slowly with a dropper) on the aMT freebase to dissolve it, and evaporating with a fan. HCl will evaporate into the air at room temperature, so there's no danger of excess acid remaining in the resulting dried powder and making your end product highly acidic (no calculating moles necessary). Be careful with the HCl, though.

I think rectal aMT will be at least 30 percent more potent than oral. Freebase tryptamines reportedly typically absorb effectively by that route, so conversion to a salt should not be necessary.

Can anyone confirm both the conversion process and the freebase being fine rectal?

What's the deal with every vendor selling this compound in it's freebase form anyways? I was sitting on 500mg of freebase because I was scared of having a 12 hour stomach ache as some people have reported. When trying to convert it with a different method, the ethanol/amt solution somehow got sucked up into the sulfuric acid like a vacuum and now I've lost basically everything except maybe 20mg.:|

I've looked at 5+ vendors pages and every one of them only sells the freebase which I can't quite wrap my head around because it's less stable and far more difficult to take.
 
Freebase works rectally but it's not 30% more potent in my experience. I actually think it's right about the same efficiency as oral. The benefit is the lower incidence of nausea.
 
I've looked at 5+ vendors pages and every one of them only sells the freebase which I can't quite wrap my head around because it's less stable and far more difficult to take.

I'm no chemist but I'd hazard a guess that the bulk manufacturing process used arrives at the freebase form first, the HCL form requiring another stage in the synthesis. That's how I read the TiKHAL entry anyways? Cut that stage out and you have a cheaper / simpler manufacturing process that also delivers the claimed 20% more AMT molecules gram for gram than you'd get going further to the HCL.
 
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Yeah, the few times I've heard of HCl being sold, people were disappointed by the potency because they tried freebase equivalent dosages, and were underwhelmed. I suspect this led to the HCl not being as popular and people going for selling the freebase just so uneducated users don't assume their aMT is weaker than elsewhere.
 
Yeah I just figured since it was a less stable compound in it's freebase form, that extra 20% potency would probably be lost anyways due to degradation. But I suppose the less work required for the manufacturer the better for them, especially if they can claim it has higher potency; even though most people will want to convert to HCl.

Figured out the problem with the other conversion method; apparently the gas is very hydrophilic and you need a collection vessel in line with the gas tube in case suck back happens. But if the above stated conversion works, that would be far simpler.
 
^ Keep mine in the same sealer bag I get it in wrapped up in foil between the pages of the Gears of War 2 manual in the Xbox360 CD case. Gears of War. D'you get it? Gear. No? Never mind. Probably makes more sense in my head in a Derren Brown / Hannibal Lecter type memory palace kinda way anyways, so I know where to look for it when I'm fucked! ;)

I've never noticed any significant degradation over the small number of weeks where I've bought enough to last more than a voyage or two. At all. Never bothered with the conversion cos don't think the sidies are really bad enough to warrant it. They're about what I'd expect from lots of other drugs, and manageable / medicable. Not worth worrying about.
 
Haha no I do get it :p

Yeah I hadn't really noticed too much degradation on the aMT I had for close to a year. But I also didn't try it ever, but it looked exactly the same; I'm thinking the fact that it was a big rock probably also helped for stability. But I've had friends take it around me and end up with a terrible stomach ache for the duration of the trip, while hardly feeling any other effects so that seems like a pretty bad side effect; worse than most other things. But he took it orally, so from what I hear rectal administration of the freebase is supposed to reduce the nausea quite a bit. I wouldn't mind being able to take it orally though if at all possible; rectal is usually my last option lol.
 
I personally wouldn't want to use the freebase rectally because it seriously burnt my mouth when used sublingually.
Just because there's no pain when plugged as the freebase that doesn't necessarily mean that no damage is done. To be safer, place your dose of freebase in a shot glass, add vinegar slowly and drop for drop until it is dissolved (not much is needed, likely <5 drops for 30 mg IIRC), then dilute with water to 1-2 ml.

Hopefully there's enough time to try AMT again soon :)
 
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