Jakeperson
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Are there any drugs you dont enjoy smoking on?
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The Cigarette Thread
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Mr Blonde
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^ High dose dissociatives sometimes. They make the cigarettes feel and taste really strange sometimes. I've noticed this on ketamine, MXE and DXM.
Opioids I can't stop smoking on, even at the point where they are making me feel really ill and I start to vomit.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Opioids I can't stop smoking on, even at the point where they are making me feel really ill and I start to vomit.
Yeah the hydrostone is actually surprisingly effective, that's what really got me about them. I think the pouch tastes even better than the tailored Marlby Reds, and that's saying something because Drug mentor speaks truth when he says they're fucking tasty.
^+1 this.
What's even worse about this dm, the fact that it actually CAUSES nobody to smoke, the thing that pisses me right the fuck off is the unbelievable amount of our tax dollars that were wasted on promoting this, enacting, passing it. And then if it does pass all the fucking legal action that goes after that will most likely be out of our pocket.
If I had one message for the Government it would be: Please stop wasting our tax money, can't you see how badly that worked out in America?!
Looks like we're footing the bill for another thing we didn't pay for!
Sorry to triple post but hey I'm on a roll ladies and gentleman.
In answer to this one, usually I love smoking on all, once when I was acid though whenever I smoked a cigarette or a joint it felt like I was growing extra teeth with every puff, this was very strange and uncomfortable. I think I ended up giving away 3 or 4 grams rolled up in spliffs that night just simply because I just could not smoke them.
I still think champion ruby is the best pouch. I might have to try the malbroro one again since its been a month or so since I tried it. I just finished a peter stuyve pouch and while it was good I still think the champion takes the cake. It is also the cheapest of the bunch. Plus I can just stick the hydrostone in it when it gets a bit old. I could just be too use to them as it's what I've normally bought for the past 4 years or so. Dr Pat is also nice but it only comes in 50g and I imagine that I would get a bit sick of the taste smokin 'em all day.
Well if you wonna get technical now I think about it a tobacco shop in town prob has the best smoke, there's atleast like 10 types to choose from and I was impressed with it the last time I got it but 9 times out of 10 i cbf goin.
Whats the deal with these Peter Jackson hybrids?
Well if you wonna get technical now I think about it a tobacco shop in town prob has the best smoke, there's atleast like 10 types to choose from and I was impressed with it the last time I got it but 9 times out of 10 i cbf goin.
Whats the deal with these Peter Jackson hybrids?
Subtext
Bluelighter
I think the cigarette companies are worried about losing current smokers because the much larger graphic health warning pictures are much harder to ignore so therefore a much bigger wake up call to quit. Also the loss of the 'prettier' colour you're used to seeing and associate with you're nicotine addiction may also affect your desire to smoke - a lot of research has gone into how colour affects attractiveness/desirability of a product.
Having an ugly colored box with a gross picture sitting on your coffee table will definitely stop some people from smoking.
That's why Busty's idea of a cigarette box sleive/cover is a good one. They're already popular for rollie pouches.
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
I wouldnt care if they had scat porn pictures on the packet, wouldnt stop me smoking
BJH
Greenlighter
Those things are fucking gross dude. You can smell one of them in a smoking area full of people smoking normal cigarettes. The smell is actually not bad, but the taste? No thanks brother. One time I bought a packet out of curiosity and it lasted me like two months.Bali/Thailand ciggies piss on anything in Australia. Ill go through packs everyday when I'm in Bali. Bali smokes plus Bintang by the pool = bliss
Port Royal is my choice of cigarette. Tastes better, smells better, smoother, cheaper, and no one ever asks to bum one. If I have to buy tailors I get dunhills.
Busty St Clare
Ex-Bluelighter
I'd probably buy a carton if they had scat porn on them
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
Maybe they have gotten cheaper, but the Marlboro pouches are cheaper here then Champion Ruby by just a few dollars.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
I do know what your saying to a degree man but in my book those graphic warnings don't do shit, honestly if anything they are funny. Its such a fucking dumb idea when everyone knows what the health effects of smoking are and you can see them squeezing fat out of smokers arteries and tipping jugs of tar on dead peoples lungs on TV. There isn't a smoker alive who doesn't know what it is doing to them, and for better or worse, there are very few who give near enough of a shit to think about stopping because of it.
Busty St Clare
Ex-Bluelighter
I think you underestimate how effective those images are for young people. You only have to have kids react to people smoking to know that they work. My kids will often ask me why that lady is smoking when it is going to kill her. Plenty of parents will smoke for years but give up because of their kids. The government has plenty of programmes to help adults quit, but most smokers are lost causes. It's the new smokers that are attracted by the pretty colours and if it means it takes a generation until smoking is outlawed then so be it.
If these laws were ineffective why are the tobacco companies running scared? You only have to read through the circle jerk of smokers in this thread to see how branding of cigarettes is a powerful tool.
If these laws were ineffective why are the tobacco companies running scared? You only have to read through the circle jerk of smokers in this thread to see how branding of cigarettes is a powerful tool.
schizaphonic
Bluelighter
Has any one tried these electronic cigarettes? from what i have researched they are a expensive to get a good setup going but ALOT cheaper to keep going as you only need to buy the juice and the occasional pack of atomizers, apparently you can make them as strong as you want, as a 40 a day smoker this could be the best of both worlds i could improve my health and get an even stronger hit.
Does anyone know if it's legal to grow your own tobacco?, i love my smokes and surely homegrown would be better for you than the chemical processed/bleached crap that they make tailors out of (and pouches are probably not much better) also are the effects of naturally cured homegrown tobacco any different to the mass produced stuff?
BTW B&H Classic's for Tailors and Champion Ruby for Rollies, that's my preference
Does anyone know if it's legal to grow your own tobacco?, i love my smokes and surely homegrown would be better for you than the chemical processed/bleached crap that they make tailors out of (and pouches are probably not much better) also are the effects of naturally cured homegrown tobacco any different to the mass produced stuff?
BTW B&H Classic's for Tailors and Champion Ruby for Rollies, that's my preference
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drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
^ I tried them a few weeks back 'cause my mate had a couple. I have to say I wasn't the most impressed, its kind of a cool novelty but to me its not a real replacement for smoking. Some of the cartridges tasted funny as well.
Busty I don't exactly know what you mean by "You only have to read through the circle jerk of smokers in this thread to see how branding of cigarettes is a powerful tool," you do realise there is more to sway a smokers opinion than the branding, to those of us who actually smoke there is a difference in the enjoyability between brands, depending on personal taste.
In regards to why the tobacco companies are 'running scared' I feel I adressed that in a previous post, its because some of the larger companies probably will lose market share to lesser known brands when there is less means to differentiate the product, it doesn't mean these laws will reduce smoking rates which is the excuse they brought them in on.
Busty I don't exactly know what you mean by "You only have to read through the circle jerk of smokers in this thread to see how branding of cigarettes is a powerful tool," you do realise there is more to sway a smokers opinion than the branding, to those of us who actually smoke there is a difference in the enjoyability between brands, depending on personal taste.
In regards to why the tobacco companies are 'running scared' I feel I adressed that in a previous post, its because some of the larger companies probably will lose market share to lesser known brands when there is less means to differentiate the product, it doesn't mean these laws will reduce smoking rates which is the excuse they brought them in on.
bigben202
Bluelighter
Has any one tried these electronic cigarettes? from what i have researched they are a expensive to get a good setup going but ALOT cheaper to keep going as you only need to buy the juice and the occasional pack of atomizers, apparently you can make them as strong as you want, as a 40 a day smoker this could be the best of both worlds i could improve my health and get an even stronger hit.
Does anyone know if it's legal to grow your own tobacco?, i love my smokes and surely homegrown would be better for you than the chemical processed/bleached crap that they make tailors out of (and pouches are probably not much better) also are the effects of naturally cured homegrown tobacco any different to the mass produced stuff?
BTW B&H Classic's for Tailors and Champion Ruby for Rollies, that's my preference
I have an electronic cigarette, and i have to say i wasn't that impress either. But i really wanted to give up smoking, it had been nearly six years, which yes isn't much compared to some, but im well aware of the harm and am health conscientious. I read around reviews for a while and ended up getting the v2 ecig. having tried only a couple different gas stations ecigs, and a few more here and there at smoke shops w.e, I'm very happy with my v2. I've had it since february of this year and only smoke a cig once in a while when im smashed. not to sell you on it, but they got a life time replacement going on which is cool imo
poledriver
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'Cigarette smoke should be treated like asbestos'
'Cigarette smoke should be treated like asbestos'
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'Cigarette smoke should be treated like asbestos'
ATTENTION smokers: your days of puffing away in NSW restaurants are numbered - if the state's councils have their way.
NSW cabinet is considering a proposal to stub out alfresco smoking across the state.
Local governments in the city and the bush have put forward the proposal to make a uniform law out of what they say is a patchwork of conflicting rules across jurisdictions.
Sydney City and Parramatta, the two councils with the most cafes and bars, are leading the push for NSW Health Minister Jillian Skinner to bring in the blanket ban. Last week Parramatta launched an assault on cafe smokers, against the wishes of two-thirds of its business community.
Just 33 of 152 councils in NSW have outlawed smoking in outdoor dining areas - but they claim it's a job for the state.
Councils have labelled current bans as sporadic, and say the "inconsistency is a catalyst for confusion and angst: among both the smoking and not smoking population".
However, the state government risks breaking a memorandum of understanding signed during the election campaign, which promises to keep smoking as the status quo.
The Daily Telegraph understands a new smoking policy is before the cabinet.
Parramatta Lord Mayor Lorraine Wearne said a state ban would eliminate confusion from Sydney's 44 councils that have different smoking policies.
"The state government needs to come on board and make it clear what is permitted and in what areas, instead of leaving it to councils to implement their own smoke-free policies," she said.
Parramatta will ban smokers from lighting up in alfresco dining areas including its premier Eat Street from May 1, next year - despite studies finding up to 70 per cent of business owners thought the ban would have a major impact on their takings.
Sydney City Lord Mayor Clover Moore will also write to the state government "to lobby for introduction of legislation that uniformly prohibits smoking in outdoor dining areas on public land".
A spokeswoman for Health Minister Jillian Skinner said the government could not comment until the issue had been through cabinet.
Action on Smoking and Health Australia spokesman Stafford Sanders said a state-wide ban was long overduefor NSW.
"Tobacco is a highly toxic, carcinogenic contaminant,"he said.
"There is no good reason why it should be treated differently to asbestos."
A spokesman for Clubs NSW said clubs and hotels spent more than $1 billion building outdoor smoking areas to comply with smoking laws established by the previous state government.
The proposed ban is being driven by The Local Government and Shires Associations of NSW (LGSA).
NSW cabinet is considering a proposal to stub out alfresco smoking across the state.
Local governments in the city and the bush have put forward the proposal to make a uniform law out of what they say is a patchwork of conflicting rules across jurisdictions.
Sydney City and Parramatta, the two councils with the most cafes and bars, are leading the push for NSW Health Minister Jillian Skinner to bring in the blanket ban. Last week Parramatta launched an assault on cafe smokers, against the wishes of two-thirds of its business community.
Just 33 of 152 councils in NSW have outlawed smoking in outdoor dining areas - but they claim it's a job for the state.
Councils have labelled current bans as sporadic, and say the "inconsistency is a catalyst for confusion and angst: among both the smoking and not smoking population".
However, the state government risks breaking a memorandum of understanding signed during the election campaign, which promises to keep smoking as the status quo.
The Daily Telegraph understands a new smoking policy is before the cabinet.
Parramatta Lord Mayor Lorraine Wearne said a state ban would eliminate confusion from Sydney's 44 councils that have different smoking policies.
"The state government needs to come on board and make it clear what is permitted and in what areas, instead of leaving it to councils to implement their own smoke-free policies," she said.
Parramatta will ban smokers from lighting up in alfresco dining areas including its premier Eat Street from May 1, next year - despite studies finding up to 70 per cent of business owners thought the ban would have a major impact on their takings.
Sydney City Lord Mayor Clover Moore will also write to the state government "to lobby for introduction of legislation that uniformly prohibits smoking in outdoor dining areas on public land".
A spokeswoman for Health Minister Jillian Skinner said the government could not comment until the issue had been through cabinet.
Action on Smoking and Health Australia spokesman Stafford Sanders said a state-wide ban was long overduefor NSW.
"Tobacco is a highly toxic, carcinogenic contaminant,"he said.
"There is no good reason why it should be treated differently to asbestos."
A spokesman for Clubs NSW said clubs and hotels spent more than $1 billion building outdoor smoking areas to comply with smoking laws established by the previous state government.
The proposed ban is being driven by The Local Government and Shires Associations of NSW (LGSA).
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poledriver
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Want to quit smoking? Try keep lighting up [NZ]
Want to quit smoking? Try keep lighting up
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Want to quit smoking? Try keep lighting up
A groundbreaking Auckland University study has found it is possible to smoke your way to quitting by using virtually nicotine-free cigarettes.
The research found a higher quit rate among heavily addicted smokers offered nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) and the cigarettes with hardly any nicotine, than those given just NRT patches, gum or lozenges.
"It's an exciting finding," lead researcher Dr Natalie Walker, of the university's clinical trials research unit, said last night.
People in the "intervention" arm of the trial were given a six-week supply of the low-nicotine Quest brand of tobacco cigarettes and told they could smoke them if needed.
"No matter how hard they try to smoke them, they are not going to get any kick out of it," Dr Walker said, "so what they then do is end up weaning themselves off the cigarettes.
"Part of smoking is the behavioural component of putting something in their mouth and feeling the smoke in their mouth and feeling it come down into their chest - all that ritual around smoking. These cigarettes help deal with that component.
"The good thing about it is that people naturally stop using them ... after six weeks, or even earlier for some people."
Dr Walker said the study was "a bit controversial, because people think, 'How can you give people cigarettes to quit smoking, it doesn't make sense', but ... these have such a very low level of nicotine".
"They are equally as harmful as any other cigarette, except they are less addictive ... but they are very clearly addressing that behavioural aspect."
The low-nicotine cigarettes are not commercially available to New Zealand smokers.
The policy implications of the trial include possibly adding low-nicotine cigarettes to quit-smoking efforts, and encouraging tobacco manufacturers to supply them.
As part of the Government's goal for New Zealand to be "smokefree" by 2025, the Health Research Council has awarded $5 million to research work which will investigate policies such as introducing low-nicotine, lower-tax cigarettes, and limiting and progressively cutting the amount of tobacco which can be sold.
The research found a higher quit rate among heavily addicted smokers offered nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) and the cigarettes with hardly any nicotine, than those given just NRT patches, gum or lozenges.
"It's an exciting finding," lead researcher Dr Natalie Walker, of the university's clinical trials research unit, said last night.
People in the "intervention" arm of the trial were given a six-week supply of the low-nicotine Quest brand of tobacco cigarettes and told they could smoke them if needed.
"No matter how hard they try to smoke them, they are not going to get any kick out of it," Dr Walker said, "so what they then do is end up weaning themselves off the cigarettes.
"Part of smoking is the behavioural component of putting something in their mouth and feeling the smoke in their mouth and feeling it come down into their chest - all that ritual around smoking. These cigarettes help deal with that component.
"The good thing about it is that people naturally stop using them ... after six weeks, or even earlier for some people."
Dr Walker said the study was "a bit controversial, because people think, 'How can you give people cigarettes to quit smoking, it doesn't make sense', but ... these have such a very low level of nicotine".
"They are equally as harmful as any other cigarette, except they are less addictive ... but they are very clearly addressing that behavioural aspect."
The low-nicotine cigarettes are not commercially available to New Zealand smokers.
The policy implications of the trial include possibly adding low-nicotine cigarettes to quit-smoking efforts, and encouraging tobacco manufacturers to supply them.
As part of the Government's goal for New Zealand to be "smokefree" by 2025, the Health Research Council has awarded $5 million to research work which will investigate policies such as introducing low-nicotine, lower-tax cigarettes, and limiting and progressively cutting the amount of tobacco which can be sold.
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Jakeperson
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I want in so bad.
pisspotnrock
Bluelighter
wow, sounds very interesting