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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

wcote said:
Yeah I would think that the NHS within a decade will want to have Diazepam prescribed for getting people off a Benzo addiction problem, it has a few other uses, but they will want it to be pretty much like Subutex, for addiction purposes. There are other drugs which do a better job that Diazepam.... IM NOT saying it wont be prescribed for other uses, before people throw certain examples!
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What do you think they really have to replace them? I'm not defending their use its just SSRIs and the like are hardly the same thing despite them trying to tell you so. Z drugs are basically Benzos but shite so I see little to directly replace them and Diaz makes me sleep like a baby.

Lets hope those labs come up with something that doesn't bring such rapid tolerance and dependence but has a similar effect, but that will only happen in a land far far away where the grass tastes of mint and the apples are made of candy;)
 
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joe90 said:
Ya I understand mate.This experience has given me a real wobble. They are so addictive for me and I still dont feel myself.My memory seems very poor also which is unusual and a bit freaky.im forgetting the most basic of things at times.Im finding it difficult to sit still and relax also.I am feeling better the past few days but the first few weeks were pretty bad.Very little sleep and very obsessive thinking patterns.There a drug not to be messed with.
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Check the Heather Ashton manual for long term effects and WD symptoms, the problem I have is most of the above symptoms are the ones I suffer from depressed so telling if my meds of benzo use is making that better or worse if difficult to tell.

I would take any figures around suicide and Benzo use with care a many of those using may well have suicidal thoughts and ideation that they are trying to hide from with the Benzo, although I would agree its proven not to be an effective long term treatment.
 
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Just started taking valium again, was a bit of a fluke as I was given some I was owed ages ago and had since written off. They couldn't have come at a better time, I was just returning to where I live after 2 weeks away, nervous as hell about being here with a housemate and having to interact with people while sorting out my move back home. I don't want to condone self medicating (despite doing it sometimes) but it's worked for me in the past just as well is legit meds, one time prescribed anti depressants ruined my life no exaggeration. I just have a risk of overdoing it. Last night I took 40mg and it helped amazingly in dealing with chatting to my housemate, something I'm usually really uncomfortable doing. I'm afraid of taking too much though, I have a tendency to think the opposite of "less is more" like I'm testing them.

Apart from this risk though it's already helped so much, I had to go out today to get something signed, I felt nervous being out in crowds but felt able to talk normally to the person I had to speak to. I'm also taking to my housemate like a normal person. It's worth the risk to me, it really is. So long as I practise motivation.
 
joe90 said:
Ya I understand mate.This experience has given me a real wobble. They are so addictive for me and I still dont feel myself.My memory seems very poor also which is unusual and a bit freaky.im forgetting the most basic of things at times.Im finding it difficult to sit still and relax also.I am feeling better the past few days but the first few weeks were pretty bad.Very little sleep and very obsessive thinking patterns.There a drug not to be messed with.
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May I ask how much you had been taking and how often? I've been using on and off for over a year now. But just took a 10 day break and felt fine by the end of it. I think if you give yourself a 1-2 week break every month or so you should be ok, as long as we're not talking high doses for consecutive days.
 
weevil said:
Just started taking valium again, was a bit of a fluke as I was given some I was owed ages ago and had since written off. They couldn't have come at a better time, I was just returning to where I live after 2 weeks away, nervous as hell about being here with a housemate and having to interact with people while sorting out my move back home. I don't want to condone self medicating (despite doing it sometimes) but it's worked for me in the past just as well is legit meds, one time prescribed anti depressants ruined my life no exaggeration. I just have a risk of overdoing it. Last night I took 40mg and it helped amazingly in dealing with chatting to my housemate, something I'm usually really uncomfortable doing. I'm afraid of taking too much though, I have a tendency to think the opposite of "less is more" like I'm testing them.

Apart from this risk though it's already helped so much, I had to go out today to get something signed, I felt nervous being out in crowds but felt able to talk normally to the person I had to speak to. I'm also taking to my housemate like a normal person. It's worth the risk to me, it really is. So long as I practise motivation.
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I can relate to this post to some extent. I don't particularly need benzo's, but I do think they can be useful and safe, even when self-medicated. If anything I'd say my experiences with benzo's have made me a more confident person with less anxiety even when NOT ON benzos. And even after a substantial break from using them. I know that goes against a lot of people's experience, but I think as long as you can carefully avoid the withdrawal side of things, benzo's can have a lasting positive effect.
 
got me a nice load of Roche =D

also got some MSJ but they dont seem as good
 
television82 said:
May I ask how much you had been taking and how often? I've been using on and off for over a year now. But just took a 10 day break and felt fine by the end of it. I think if you give yourself a 1-2 week break every month or so you should be ok, as long as we're not talking high doses for consecutive days.
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It started around Feb. I was using them mainly at weekends but towards the end of it was around 4 days a week.It was about 150mg a week but to be honest I dont fully remember as its a bit of a haze especially the summer.There were some weekends towards the end that I boshed big quantities of 1mg xanax also.The thing is I didnt need them as such albeit I can be anxious but it became something I felt I had to have(thats never happened to me with any drug before).I was fine for the first week or two more or less but then it hit me hard.I could get no peace in myself.I couldnt sit down even with the mrs.Hence I have been on here a lot but it has turned around now and I dont ever want those feelings back.I havent taken any benzos in 5/6 weeks.
 
joe90 said:
I was fine for the first week or two more or less but then it hit me hard.I could get no peace in myself.I couldnt sit down even with the mrs.
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Hmmmmm, I thought any withdrawal issues would be apparent in the first week or so, and then ease off?
 
television82 said:
Hmmmmm, I thought any withdrawal issues would be apparent in the first week or so, and then ease off?
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I thought that too mate.That was not my experience of it though.I think the first few days are hard alright with the lack of sleep but then I found I was in a honeymoon period of feeling fine before it went pear shaped for a few weeks.
 
joe90 said:
I thought that too mate.That was not my experience of it though.I think the first few days are hard alright with the lack of sleep but then I found I was in a honeymoon period of feeling fine before it went pear shaped for a few weeks.
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Oh shit. I better try out an extended break then. Maybe I'll aim for Christmas.

But still surely the half-life being only 100-200 hours a ten day break with no issues should indicate the all-clear?

EDIT: Then again, 150mg a week........ that's about 100mg more than I'd ever do in a week. Perhaps larger doses cause more permanent effects, regardless of the drug still being in the system?
 
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television82 said:
I can relate to this post to some extent. I don't particularly need benzo's, but I do think they can be useful and safe, even when self-medicated. If anything I'd say my experiences with benzo's have made me a more confident person with less anxiety even when NOT ON benzos. And even after a substantial break from using them. I know that goes against a lot of people's experience, but I think as long as you can carefully avoid the withdrawal side of things, benzo's can have a lasting positive effect.
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Thanks for that reply, it's nice to be reassured I'm not doing something incredibly stupid. I don't binge on them like I have many times with booze years ago, I think they're a lot better for me than that, also also opiates which I will overdo through liking them to much. I just want something to make me feel okay and able to deal with things. Today I had some errands to run and have gone out at 3 separate times, preparing to go out is very stressful so I'm amazed I've been able to do that. The potential risks - which I'm not taking lying down - outweigh the benefits. To not be shaking and fidgeting all day feeling like I have nothing to do while at the same time feeling incapable of doing it, avoiding even answering the phone because there's a person on the end of it. Well I'll take anything not to feel that way.
 
Television I dont think there have been any studys done into the long term effects of habitual diazepam use. You could try googling the question to see but, jaded and cynical as it may sound.,drug companies are really not that interested in the long term side effects or damage that their pills do.
Have a look at the science involved TV.. your brains relaxation/peacefulness receptors,'GABA', are changed by the chemical and its not known, after long term use, if they ever go back to their pre drugged state.

Valium really isnt a good drug to be used long term. But as a short term anti anxiety med its really effective! I kinda like
a few with a can of Stella every now and again and thats quite civilized .. Taking a few more with another few cans isnt
as so but lets not go there...8)

Weevil what else have you tried to ease your nerves?
 
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television82 said:
Oh shit. I better try out an extended break then. Maybe I'll aim for Christmas.

But still surely the half-life being only 100-200 hours a ten day break with no issues should indicate the all-clear?

EDIT: Then again, 150mg a week........ that's about 100mg more than I'd ever do in a week. Perhaps larger doses cause more permanent effects, regardless of the drug still being in the system?
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I dont know for sure.I think its a mixture of the length of time/dosage that effects you when you are taking none at all.I have read somewhere it can take a few months for some people.The thing is that part of the withdrawl is to do with fear and even reading this could play into your own fears if you give it an extended break. I was trying to be as positive as possible during the difficulties but it felt like there was something out of my control going on that I had to ride out.
 
150mgs a week is nothing compared to what an abuser is taking believe me, I can get through that in a day...nothing to be proud of I know:|

As always the Heather Ashton manual is a great place to start:-

Heather Ashton manual

Also always bear in mind that if you had anxiety issues they will likely return, so it would be a good idea to speak to your dcotor about your problems. That way you have better meds in place for any issues you might have, IME there is rarely a problem with taking Benzos with modern antidepressants etc.
 
Dont get too freaked out by my post Jo or TV.. Youre right ! When you are going through a withdrawal the last thing you want to hear is negative stuff.
I took about ( i cant remember actually) .. 8 to 10 mg of diazepam a day for about a year ..14 or 15 years ago. The internet hadnt really taken off at that point.. I didnt have a pc anyway so I wasnt googling or foruming about my addiction or my withdrawaleffects. I just knew I had to cut it down slowly.
I remember feeling emotional for quite a while but never connected it to the diazepam because I knew little about them.

150mg of Diazer atm? a day?
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
Weevil what else have you tried to ease your nerves?
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Was put on antidepressants for years which at first gradually eased the depression but didn't stop the triggering of anxiety, then they started making everything worse and having me losing grip on reality. My GP has given me valium to ease my anxiety as she think's antidepressants are wrong for me. I've since been put on anti psychotics which I know won't react badly with valium otherwise they wouldn't have let me switch between the 2 in one day and suggest keeping valium around just incase. I've known from experience that nothing like a benzo has helped me feel more normal and at least half way capable of living life.
 
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Hey eeze up there Joe you pick and choose your quotes like I said "...nothing to be proud of I know:|" not sure why you chose to miss that bit out.

No I'm certainly not "dicksizing" I'm telling the truth as it is with many a benzo user IME and just trying to give the poster some comparison against a serious habit to allay his fears of what really isn't that big an intake.!50mgs a week is a relatively normal dose fro a GP to provide @ 20Mgs a day.

I'm at a bit of a loss you would think I'd get into boasting about such things we've been around here long enough to know each that well surely:(
 
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