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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

weevil said:
Was put on antidepressants for years which at first gradually eased the depression but didn't stop the triggering of anxiety, then they started making everything worse and having me losing grip on reality. My GP has given me valium to ease my anxiety as she think's antidepressants are wrong for me. I've since been put on anti psychotics which I know won't react badly with valium otherwise they wouldn't have let me switch between the 2 in one day and suggest keeping valium around just incase. I've known from experience that nothing like a benzo has helped me feel more normal and at least half way capable of living life.
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Which anti depressants did they put you on out of interest? Has your anti psychotic helped or is it just the valium thats hit the spot? Did the doc suggest you take it when you need it or everyday?

Its great youve found something that makes you feel better btw. :)
 
I have a mate, she gets terrible anxiety she sometimes takes valium to over come it..... but I just dont want to see her get a benzo habit.... cus I know she likes opiates.... and when she's on valium, she is always more open to opiates, I just dont wanna see her with a smack habit :\

What drugs can GPs give for anxiety? She has talked to her GP, not much has happened, yet.
 
@wcote, What drugs can GPs give for anxiety? She has talked to her GP, not much has happened, yet.

Dr's usually put people on SSRI's now days, most people complain about there side effects though, iv had 3 types and not really got on to well with them. But I have a very good GP who let's me have 28 x 5 ml Valium a month.
 
I've really been left with little choice but to work with the dcotors on finding a AD that I could live with, I think it ended up being 6or7 before we found one that I can at least tolerate without severe side effects, Venlaflaxine.

I can't rally say if its doing me any good, it so subjective and you can't really objectively asses yourself, still self medicating Valium though.
 
Lyrica ( Pregabalin ) is sometimes prescribed by GPs for anxiety as well as pain. There's no generic for it until next year though so its
relatively expensive which might mean theyll offer other drugs first. The jurys still out on whether lyrica is ' addictive' or causes a ' dependency'though. I know for me its a very soothing pill to take PRN,so Id say at least in the short term its effective. It can even be gently trippy.

Again though lyrica impacts GABA ( chill out chems) in the brain and there have been no long term studies done with it.

If you've got a good GP they'll go for through the options. Theres a few good threads on here about lyrica if you do a search.


Can you tell if if the benefits outweigh the side effects yet with the Venlafaxine atm?
 
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Its the only AD I've taken that hasn't left me really ill, I've had side effects raging from full on hallucination, projectile vomiting (sorry I know its early) to internal bleeding.

I think it has helped, they put me on this when they, stopped my over the phone CBT as that wasn't really working, although I did find it helpful I wasn't hitting the numbers on the questionnaires and my suicidal thoughts and ideation were returning. I'm on 150Mgs a day now (slow release) and apart from a lack appetite, which has meant I've managed to loose some weigh which is a positive having got very porky on my previous alcohol diet and a little bowel disturbance and the chills a bit I haven't really suffered. So that in itself is good.

My suicidal thoughts have decreased, but then they come and go, but I'd say all round talking to my partner I'm much more functional than I was either on any of the other ADs or when I've tried to live without them.

I have my first session of face to face CBT today, hence me posting as I'm working from home, tempted to take a couple of Vallies as I'm getting a bit worked up about it but I think I'll just lay off the coffee and get on with some work.
 
joe90 said:
I dont know for sure.I think its a mixture of the length of time/dosage that effects you when you are taking none at all.I have read somewhere it can take a few months for some people.The thing is that part of the withdrawl is to do with fear and even reading this could play into your own fears if you give it an extended break. I was trying to be as positive as possible during the difficulties but it felt like there was something out of my control going on that I had to ride out.
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Yes. I think as long as you haven't developed a physical addiction, pyschology plays a large part. Perhaps because I've managed 2 week breaks in the past makes any further such breaks 'easier'. As in the back of my mind I know I've done it before, and in that sense it wont play into any fears.
 
@ atm.In my earlier post I was highlighting the fact that saying that 150mg a week is nothing is a bit misleading because its all relative to the individual.I know your a good guy though and I wish you the best today.Acceptance of you are where you are is the best attitude to make gradual improvements and you seem to have that.Good luck mate :D
 
No problem mate I was merely trying to assure the poster that he wasn't in as deep as he thought he was, a taper from 20Mgs a day really shouldn't be that bad for most ans is within what a GP might prescribe (not that thats any great comfort on reflection)

BTW I'd loose out on dicksizing so would never enter the competition=D

No offence taken I know you had the posters best interests in mind.
 
I use clonaz, diaz, alpraz, midaz, nitraz, loraz, bromaz, clorazepate, (I avoid my phenazepam), pregabalin and gabapentin, zopiclone and zolpidem but though this might sound like a ridiculous list I typically use one at a time chosen for it's properties like nitraz is good for muscle relaxation and loraz is on the other end only good for fear and mental stuff but not so much physical. I do my best to keep the doses low and regularly taper those already-low doses down to zero. But I am waiting for actual legitimate medication to be able to just be done with it for good.

Yes they can feel fine as a comfort or safety blanket but I dislike the washed out feeling a full dose gives me, especially something like clonazepam that really fucks with me. Midazolam is strong as hell but taken at night it wears of in the course of the morning and when the sedation leaves me I am okay. Unlike clonazepam which makes me feel like a zombie with no memory.
I tend to disregard recreational value since it scares me, as does building up any tolerance. I pretty much managed to go more than 6 months without building significant tolerance (from starting position less than double for my weak generic lorazepams but with clonazepam even 1/8th of a 2 mg pill works well). If it were free of toll I might use benzos whenever I feel like it but it doesn't feel like a useful high to me, not at all enough to be worth the shitstorm of a full-on addiction that includes tolerance. (I say full-on as opposed to the general basic dependence I clearly do have despite playing it down)

I have had GHB binges years ago, long ones. But like with benzo's I never increased my dose to compensate for tolerance, it wasn't really like I actually had to either. Coming off it finally was relatively easy for me. Coming off benzo's, especially when those with long halflife are involved like diazepam... I felt like I had an elevated fear-baseline (and anxiety, insomnia etc) for an entire week at least but with more subtle effects even after that. I hope my tapering to zero as frequently as possible will allow me to switch to a script and stop self-medicating without experiencing pure hell.

There is also the pure diaz powder I have on hand but I mean that to be a lifetime supply, it doesn't degrade - but I don't like the scenario of using it throughout my life. That would sort of suck, but I'd rather have it on hand as long as I am threatened by fear and anxiety that come from what is most likely schizoid PD or a combined PD. So that diaz powder feels like a love/hate thing to have.
I remember having a stash of pure alprazolam powder years ago, seriously that was something. I rank that one high, together with temazepam.

I should be able to get tetrazepam, it would be muscle relaxing like nitrazepam I guess. The allergic reaction possibility puts me off though but I would test for that.
 
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Not getting into an argument but I think 150mg a week is far from boasting, it's probably what I'll be doing. One or even two in the morning and then a top up later in theday. Some anxiety just needs a full force attack. I've always found it hard to believe people on 2mg doses feeling any benefit. 150mg a week on the other hand I'd consider worrying. I might have had almost that last night but it was the "more is always better" mentality. I will calm down now. Haven't found so normal in ages.
 
joe90 said:
Well mine is the length of a basketballers arm.Lob yours on the table cowboy.:p
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Nan I've met people like you before, the next thing I'll have one arm behind my back an my eyes will be watering;)
 
weevil said:
Not getting into an argument but I think 150mg a week is far from boasting, it's probably what I'll be doing. One or even two in the morning and then a top up later in theday. Some anxiety just needs a full force attack. I've always found it hard to believe people on 2mg doses feeling any benefit. 150mg a week on the other hand I'd consider worrying. I might have had almost that last night but it was the "more is always better" mentality. I will calm down now. Haven't found so normal in ages.
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I'm not going to repeat myself for fear of the wrath of Joe;) 150mgs is a little high for a prescribed dose, but for an abuser this isnt very high, I'm clearly stating it isnt a good thing to be doing but anyone taking Diazepam or any other Benzo should be awaare that if you start deviating from you prescription or suplementing your supply from "another sourc" your tolernace will rise quickly and you could end with quite a significant habit, which is not good at all.

To be absoltulyl clear in what I said, I said that I have been know to take 150mgs in day and more, THIS IS NOT A RECOMENDATION, I AM TRULY SHAMMED BY MY LACK OF SELF CONTROL AND AM FIGHTNG TO GET OFF THE STUFF ALTOGETHER BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS AT THE MO. My doctors won't even prescribe me Benzos becuase of my addiction issues so I have no one to blame but myself for my current habit.

But as we all know you can't just stop dead with Benzos you have to taper over weeks or months which is not an easy thing to do, hence my link to the
Heather Ashton info which is amust read for anyone with a Benzo habit, big or small.

This is my last word on the subject.
 
joe90 said:
Here have a whiskey atm it will soften your cough:D
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now your rubbing it in you feker;) I've been on the wagon since 1/7/2011, and its a daily struggle and clearly streaching my self control to its limits
 
atm23 said:
I'm not going to repeat myself for fear of the wrath of Joe;) 150mgs is a little high for a prescribed dose, but for an abuser this isnt very high, I'm clearly stating it isnt a good thing to be doing but anyone taking Diazepam or any other Benzo should be awaare that if you start deviating from you prescription or suplementing your supply from "another sourc" your tolernace will rise quickly and you could end with quite a significant habit, which is not good at all.

To be absoltulyl clear in what I said, I said that I have been know to take 150mgs in day and more, THIS IS NOT A RECOMENDATION, I AM TRULY SHAMMED BY MY LACK OF SELF CONTROL AND AM FIGHTNG TO GET OFF THE STUFF ALTOGETHER BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS AT THE MO. My doctors won't even prescribe me Benzos becuase of my addiction issues so I have no one to blame but myself for my current habit.

But as we all know you can't just stop dead with Benzos you have to taper over weeks or months which is not an easy thing to do, hence my link to the
Heather Ashton info which is amust read for anyone with a Benzo habit, big or small.

This is my last word on the subject.
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Sorry just have to clarify,when talking about myself I meant 150mg a week not a day, terrible typo that. I'm also hoping what I do take is temporary while my anxiety is as life crippling as it is right now. The feeling from the last couple of days I wouldn't swap for the world, I even woke up not worrying and felt like I'd had decent sleep.
 
^^^

Never noticed you posting 150mgs a day always understood you meant a week but then I was to busy trying to fend off Joe advances =D
 
atm23 said:
^^^

Never noticed you posting 150mgs a day always understood you meant a week but then I was to busy trying to fend off Joe advances =D
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Fair enough I've not actually been counting I only noticed my typo, still do you think my regime of 20mg in the morning and 10mg later is too much? Anything less I'm not sure would hit the sides.
 
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