Optimum Age To Start Using Steroids

[justwhatever]

Id wait until after 24 just eat more to gain more.... PS I got gyno when i was 24 from a cycle granted the gains where insane didnt last because of diet and had to fork out 4k to get my gyno fixed. If you want more info on the affects of GYNO on your life let me know ill start a depressing thread lol.

Guidos has good insight listen to him build a foundation first so you keep your gains of a nice test cycle. Now im off to the gym... good luck

 

[Voxide]

gudio: you really have no life.

Says the Zyzz nutrider. Looks like your post cycle pissyness is already surfacing.

Even if you do 500000 cycles you will never look like him.

 

[srrondina]

First off i wouldn't not want to hear about you doing any kind of HGH or Steroid. Second you Already said "now im pretty sure i have anti-anorexia and i'll never think im big enough" so that right there is the scariest thing you said in my opinion. You are Waaaaaay to young to even think about steroids and then you pick one of the worst steroid to get peoples info on. Seeing you have body issues i would run away right now. Good luck and Get with a good trainer and have his set you up a correct diet plan and trust me you will see the difference.

 

[-Guido-]

Even if you do 500000 cycles you will never look like him.

I honestly don't know why people would like to look like him. Why not look like yourself and better your appearance to look the best you can look?

 

[Gucks]

You need a solid foundation before you start using steroids otherwise you are going to look like shit in a competition. It's a fact. You also have to realize the only way your going to become a pro is if you start running gear all year along with HGH and insulin. Genetics are not a factor in bodybuilding, they play a role, but int he end it all comes down to who is running the most optimum gear in the highest amounts for their body. It's shame, because I personally think insulin and HGH has ruined bodybuilding. It's not about aesthetics anymore really, it's about who the biggest freak is.

You want to know who Zyzz is? Zyzz was an 18 year old kid who was only 130lbs. He decided to work out but his diet and routine sucked so much he became bitter and impatient. He decided to start running gear. After a cycle or two he looked great. The only problem was as soon as he got off the gear, he world start losing mass and that cut look so he opted to start being on gear all the time at unsafe dosages mind you along with T3 and Clenbuterol. It wasn't enough, he had veeners put in, a nosejob, and jaw work done because he was so insecure. After he became a self proclaimed God, he said he looked the way he did because of genetics.

One day he went to Thailand and died in the sauna of a Bangcok whorehouse with lots of Tren, Test, Clen, t3, and drugs in his system. He was a vain piece of shit with no respect for hormones and chemicals and it is why he died.

His fan base happens to be some of the most pathetic fucking pieces of shit to ever come into existence. They live their life through Zyzz because they don't love themselves and they try to emulate him. They are like fucking parrots and will jump to defend Zyzz any chance they get.

If I ever had the money I would go to Australia and proceed to shit and piss on Zyzz's grave, I would put it on Youtube. I guarantee in a few hours I would have almost a million views and all of Zyzz's little wannabe tough guy followers and even his faggot group known as "The Aesthetic Crew", just a group of fucking guys on gear who think they have amazing genetics even though they would be white trash 130lb drug addicts without steroids, would send me death threats and I would fucking laugh. I would laugh and tell them to come at me.

wow dude, u have alot of hatred in you for this guy did u know him or something? and just from 1 video on youtube i found googling his name i know hes a f'ing idiot.

and pros staying on gear all year long..? ive heard ppl say it but i dont know if its true. i know one guy who knows a pro in england who takes HUGE doses of gear and there a guy in my gym who nearly went pro who takes crazy doses, but never heard they dont cycle. jason huh said in an interview he found it funny that guys think they dont cycle so who knows ive never met a pro to ask them.

and alot of those tren side-effects u listen ive never heard of, like mood swings? roid rage is an unprooven side-effect with test but have u used tren? ive heard how it kills ur cardio and can give horrible night sweats but u made it sound alot scarier then that

 

[Gucks]

Id wait until after 24 just eat more to gain more.... PS I got gyno when i was 24 from a cycle granted the gains where insane didnt last because of diet and had to fork out 4k to get my gyno fixed. If you want more info on the affects of GYNO on your life let me know ill start a depressing thread lol.

Guidos has good insight listen to him build a foundation first so you keep your gains of a nice test cycle. Now im off to the gym... good luck

why 24? i dont know any1 that waited untill 24
and 4k 4 gyno surgeory? nasty, surely running arimidex or tamoxifen (nolvadex) would keep the gyno at bay. i had a bit of gyno when i was 16 and it went away by itself after a while, aparently its pretty common amoung teenage guys.

 

[Gucks]

First off i wouldn't not want to hear about you doing any kind of HGH or Steroid. Second you Already said "now im pretty sure i have anti-anorexia and i'll never think im big enough" so that right there is the scariest thing you said in my opinion. You are Waaaaaay to young to even think about steroids and then you pick one of the worst steroid to get peoples info on. Seeing you have body issues i would run away right now. Good luck and Get with a good trainer and have his set you up a correct diet plan and trust me you will see the difference.

ha, well when im mr. o ill be big enough and wht u mean i picked one of the worst steroids to get info on? :S

and im not new to training i had a trainer about 6 months ago the last time i hit a plateau to help me out. my diet is solid, i stick to it religiously apart from the odd bad day. off days are the onyl days ill ever have a cheat meal. my problem is once i hit 180lbs its like my body decided it doesnt want to grow anymore, ive added more calroesi, added more protein, tryed higher volume training, tryed lower volume training. still havent got much further. im about 183lbs atm and have been for about 3 months.

 

[Voxide]

and wht u mean i picked one of the worst steroids to get info on? :S

Because Tren is easily the harshest compound that can be ran for a full cycle. There are worse drugs out there, ones that can only be ran for 2 weeks before jaundice sets in.
If you know what you want and this is what you want to base your life off of, just stick to straight Test. It has been thoroughly studied for the past 70 years and it's approved for human consumption, unlike Tren, which is exclusively a veterinary product.

I know you're kidding with the Mr. O shit, or at least I hope so, but don't do anything you're going to regret. Competitive bodybuilding may seem appealing now, but in our 2011 reality, it's one of the most retarded things a person can possibly do with their life. The ONLY deciding factor today is how tolerant a person is to taking 5 grams of Test every week. It's basically a circus. A really fucked up, unrewarding circus when you look at the final product. Train consistently, eat clean all the time, use gear every once in a while to enhance the gains beyond your genetics a little bit. That is the key to happiness and satisfaction. One day you will realize how idiotic it is to completely destroy your body for YEARS all for 10 minutes on a stage being judged old men, and some pictures from way back when of how you used to look. Bodybuilding ended in Arnolds day.

The lifestyle and the size have nothing to do with it. The competition aspect is what makes it retarded.

 

[Gucks]

Because Tren is easily the harshest compound that can be ran for a full cycle. There are worse drugs out there, ones that can only be ran for 2 weeks before jaundice sets in.
If you know what you want and this is what you want to base your life off of, just stick to straight Test. It has been thoroughly studied for the past 70 years and it's approved for human consumption, unlike Tren, which is exclusively a veterinary product.

I know you're kidding with the Mr. O shit, or at least I hope so, but don't do anything you're going to regret. Competitive bodybuilding may seem appealing now, but in our 2011 reality, it's one of the most retarded things a person can possibly do with their life. The ONLY deciding factor today is how tolerant a person is to taking 5 grams of Test every week. It's basically a circus. A really fucked up, unrewarding circus when you look at the final product. Train consistently, eat clean all the time, use gear every once in a while to enhance the gains beyond your genetics a little bit. That is the key to happiness and satisfaction. One day you will realize how idiotic it is to completely destroy your body for YEARS all for 10 minutes on a stage being judged old men, and some pictures from way back when of how you used to look. Bodybuilding ended in Arnolds day.

The lifestyle and the size have nothing to do with it. The competition aspect is what makes it retarded.

so ur completely against competitive bb? its just about the only thing im really passionate about is bb. and u make sound like the guy who takes the most gear wins, it takes a hell of alot more then that man the guy i know that wanted 2 be a pro (he came 4th in the world championships ages ago and 1st place got a pro-card) said he used as much as 8g of test a week, 150mg of anadrol and 20iu's of hgh a day. if it was about who takes the most gear he'd be a pro. being able 2 make a living out of bb'ing would be my dream, it may not appeal 2 u but to each his own i do what makes me happy, not what makes others happy.

u used tren btw? and wht drugs give u jaundice? :S unless u dumped ur liver full of orals and it shut down theres nothing i know of that fucks u that bad.

 

[e92]

I honestly don't know why people would like to look like him. Why not look like yourself and better your appearance to look the best you can look?

you're exactly right. i have no 'goal physique', i would just be happy at 190lbs @ 10%bf. the most i can do is look the best i can look and the way i do it does not matter to me which is why i'm not natural at 18.

 

[Voxide]

so ur completely against competitive bb? its just about the only thing im really passionate about is bb. and u make sound like the guy who takes the most gear wins, it takes a hell of alot more then that man the guy i know that wanted 2 be a pro (he came 4th in the world championships ages ago and 1st place got a pro-card) said he used as much as 8g of test a week, 150mg of anadrol and 20iu's of hgh a day. if it was about who takes the most gear he'd be a pro. being able 2 make a living out of bb'ing would be my dream, it may not appeal 2 u but to each his own i do what makes me happy, not what makes others happy.

u used tren btw? and wht drugs give u jaundice? :S unless u dumped ur liver full of orals and it shut down theres nothing i know of that fucks u that bad.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but once you get your pro card, it IS whoever takes the most gear wins. Your diet can only be so perfect, even if you literally never have a single cheat meal. Training also has a ceiling to an even bigger extent. I just think it's quite asinine to say that this is what makes you happy when you've hardly been involved in it all and you're still very young. Anybody wanting to be Mr. O is living a pipe dream. Though, it really is a wonder how the pro's of today are still alive. When they aren't lifting or eating, they are probably in the doctor's office being put on even more shit to stop complications from the gear. People think just because building muscle is constructive, it's a healthy lifestyle. The general public has this absolutely retarded logic that big, shredded guys are healthy, When in reality, obsession goes both ways whether it's anorexia, or complete and total steroid abuse. If you claim you want to be 300lb at 4% to make yourself happy, I'm calling absolute bullshit. There is honestly no bigger lie than a man THAT big claiming he does it for himself. There's only 1 reason to get that large: To beat the other opponents. When it comes to pro BB, it's not the steroids that are the most toxic. It's the mentality.

Using the past 50 years in bodybuilding to extrapolate how big professionals will be, where do you think we're going to be by 2020? Guys coming in at 5'9 345 shredded? Yeah, have fun with that. I, along with the rest of the community of serious lifters would be plenty satisfied with a Frank Zane physique. There is a difference between doing what you love and conforming to societies bullshit standards. I will never let a country of fat-asses and liberal fuckwits dictate how I should look, but guess what? It would also be nice to go get a cup of coffee without having people look at you like you belong in a circus. Modern bodybuilding is fucked. It has been for the past 20 years and probably will be forever. Enjoy having people who have never stepped foot into a gym tell you that you need to be bigger.

And to answer your question, a .5mg dose every day of methyltrienolone for 2 weeks will cause liver harm even after you've stopped. Cheque drops are equally toxic. Don't take this post as an insult, because it seriously is not meant to be one. Just by your posts I can tell you're still very naive as to what you're getting yourself into and what pro's need to do to survive. Pain pills and stimulants are abused in bodybuilding to an astonishing degree. Nolva might keep minor gyno at bay, but what about when the damage is already done? Yeah, surgery. Synthol is now a common occurrence on the scene as well. And oh, don't even get me started on the amount of money you're going to be spending in order to afford the AAS, insulin, peptides, GH, thyroid hormones, clen, BP meds, statins, and pain pills.

you're exactly right. i have no 'goal physique', i would just be happy at 190lbs @ 10%bf. the most i can do is look the best i can look and the way i do it does not matter to me which is why i'm not natural at 18.

Yeah, but that's far from an unnatural physique so your decision was fucking retarded. You may not care now, but you're going to be paying the price for that cycle in just a few years time. You'll see.

 

[-Guido-]

wow dude, u have alot of hatred in you for this guy did u know him or something? and just from 1 video on youtube i found googling his name i know hes a f'ing idiot.

and pros staying on gear all year long..? ive heard ppl say it but i dont know if its true. i know one guy who knows a pro in england who takes HUGE doses of gear and there a guy in my gym who nearly went pro who takes crazy doses, but never heard they dont cycle. jason huh said in an interview he found it funny that guys think they dont cycle so who knows ive never met a pro to ask them.

and alot of those tren side-effects u listen ive never heard of, like mood swings? roid rage is an unprooven side-effect with test but have u used tren? ive heard how it kills ur cardio and can give horrible night sweats but u made it sound alot scarier then that

Most body builders, professionals, have never heard of PCT. They are either bulking or cutting. There's no point for them to come off gear. I'm not saying they run Tren for a year at a time (that would stress you mentally and physically) but they are probably running Test all year with different compounds here and there depending on if they are off or on season and their goals. The thing with pros though is that they have doctors constantly running blood work and somebody that is advising them on their cycle and keeping an eye on them.

Tren is a fucking beast. I'm only on 60mg a day (I attribute it to being high quality shit) and it gives me terrible mood swings and a rage like no other. It's kill your cardio dead, I ran across the warehouse at work today and thought I was going to fucking die. Never again. Not only does it give you night sweats, you get day sweats, you sweat all the time. Tren is a compound that people need to understand may not be for them. It's not like running Test, Deca, EQ, Masteron, Primo, Sten, or shit like that. It's in a class all it's own.

 

[-Guido-]

I'm sorry to break it to you, but once you get your pro card, it IS whoever takes the most gear wins. Your diet can only be so perfect, even if you literally never have a single cheat meal. Training also has a ceiling to an even bigger extent. I just think it's quite asinine to say that this is what makes you happy when you've hardly been involved in it all and you're still very young. Anybody wanting to be Mr. O is living a pipe dream. Though, it really is a wonder how the pro's of today are still alive. When they aren't lifting or eating, they are probably in the doctor's office being put on even more shit to stop complications from the gear. People think just because building muscle is constructive, it's a healthy lifestyle. The general public has this absolutely retarded logic that big, shredded guys are healthy, When in reality, obsession goes both ways whether it's anorexia, or complete and total steroid abuse. If you claim you want to be 300lb at 4% to make yourself happy, I'm calling absolute bullshit. There is honestly no bigger lie than a man THAT big claiming he does it for himself. There's only 1 reason to get that large: To beat the other opponents. When it comes to pro BB, it's not the steroids that are the most toxic. It's the mentality.

Using the past 50 years in bodybuilding to extrapolate how big professionals will be, where do you think we're going to be by 2020? Guys coming in at 5'9 345 shredded? Yeah, have fun with that. I, along with the rest of the community of serious lifters would be plenty satisfied with a Frank Zane physique. There is a difference between doing what you love and conforming to societies bullshit standards. I will never let a country of fat-asses and liberal fuckwits dictate how I should look, but guess what? It would also be nice to go get a cup of coffee without having people look at you like you belong in a circus. Modern bodybuilding is fucked. It has been for the past 20 years and probably will be forever. Enjoy having people who have never stepped foot into a gym tell you that you need to be bigger.

And to answer your question, a .5mg dose every day of methyltrienolone for 2 weeks will cause liver harm even after you've stopped. Cheque drops are equally toxic. Don't take this post as an insult, because it seriously is not meant to be one. Just by your posts I can tell you're still very naive as to what you're getting yourself into and what pro's need to do to survive. Pain pills and stimulants are abused in bodybuilding to an astonishing degree. Nolva might keep minor gyno at bay, but what about when the damage is already done? Yeah, surgery. Synthol is now a common occurrence on the scene as well. And oh, don't even get me started on the amount of money you're going to be spending in order to afford the AAS, insulin, peptides, GH, thyroid hormones, clen, BP meds, statins, and pain pills.



Yeah, but that's far from an unnatural physique so your decision was fucking retarded. You may not care now, but you're going to be paying the price for that cycle in just a few years time. You'll see.

Fucking truth. I thank the Gods there are people out there who know what the fuck is going on.

It's a shame but bodybuilders are some of the biggest drug addicts out there. You got the steroids, the ancillaries to deal with sides from the steroids, narcotics to deal with the sides from stimulants, thermogenics, and steroids. It's really fucked.

Modern bodybuilding is fucked. It has been for the past 20 years and probably will be forever.

I really think insulin and ungodly amounts of HGH ruined it. It's not about aesthetics anymore (Frank Zane for example), it's about who is the biggest freak on stage.

 

[-Guido-]

you're exactly right. i have no 'goal physique', i would just be happy at 190lbs @ 10%bf. the most i can do is look the best i can look and the way i do it does not matter to me which is why i'm not natural at 18.

Well at least you got a proper attitude instead of trying to be Zyzz Jr. You still should of waited until you were in your twenties, you honestly fucked yourself out of a final growth spurt and you are going to be kicking yourself later in life. There is a possibility of you undoing some of the damage though. Seriously look into getting some GnRH (Triptorelin) to throw into your PCT-

A 34-year-old man presented to our department in September 2008 for loss of libido and energy and for mild depression. He was a computer programmer and a nonprofessional bodybuilder with an unremarkable personal medical history. He admitted to having used doping drugs since he was 21 years old. More specifically, he would perform cycles of intramuscular injections of nandrolone (25 mg) and stanazol (25 mg) daily for 8 weeks, followed by mesterolone (50 mg/day) for 15 days. Then he would then take clomiphene citrate (50 mg/day) for 1 week, followed by an injection of human chorionic gonadotropin (2,000 IU) three times in 1 week. He had repeated these cycles from 1995 to 2005. From 2005 to August 2008, to his nandrolone and stanazol cycle he added an intramuscular injection of boldenone (50 mg) daily for 3 weeks. He said he had bought all the drugs on the Internet. Obviously he downplayed the amounts he used like most do.

The patient was 175 cm tall and 80 kg, and he appeared very muscular and toned. His blood pressure and pulse rate were normal. Examination of his heart, lungs, and abdomen were likewise unremarkable. The physical examination showed normal secondary sexual characteristics, but the genital examination revealed bilateral testicular atrophy (volume 2.9 mL and weak consistence). Despite his testicular atrophy, the semen analysis revealed a normal count (79 × x106spermatozoa/mlmL) and mild morphology derangements (between 46% and 58%). The blood count and chemistry were normal, but his level of creatine kinase was 454 IU/L (normal range: 20–170 IU/L), alanine aminotransferase 61 IU/L (normal range: 5–50 IU/L), and aspartate aminotransferase 23 IU/L (normal range: 5–50 IU/L).

In February 2009, the patient continued to report loss of libido and great tiredness. A second physical examination was performed. His levels of alanine transferase and creatine kinase were all within the normal range, but the endocrinologic investigations were still abnormal with the exception of sex hormone-binding globulin level. *The patients testosterone measured 0.3 ng/mL - normal range is between 2.0 ng/mL and 12 ng/ML. Because the situation had persisted for months after ASS withdrawal, we administered a single dose (100 μg) of triptorelin (triptorelin test), which showed a normal response (Fig. 1). Ten days after the triptorelin test, the patient reported a great amelioration of energy, and his serum testosterone was 7.0 ng/mL. One month later, his serum testosterone was within the normal range, and he reported a return to normal libido and energy.

 

[Gucks]

I'm sorry to break it to you, but once you get your pro card, it IS whoever takes the most gear wins. Your diet can only be so perfect, even if you literally never have a single cheat meal. Training also has a ceiling to an even bigger extent. I just think it's quite asinine to say that this is what makes you happy when you've hardly been involved in it all and you're still very young. Anybody wanting to be Mr. O is living a pipe dream. Though, it really is a wonder how the pro's of today are still alive. When they aren't lifting or eating, they are probably in the doctor's office being put on even more shit to stop complications from the gear. People think just because building muscle is constructive, it's a healthy lifestyle. The general public has this absolutely retarded logic that big, shredded guys are healthy, When in reality, obsession goes both ways whether it's anorexia, or complete and total steroid abuse. If you claim you want to be 300lb at 4% to make yourself happy, I'm calling absolute bullshit. There is honestly no bigger lie than a man THAT big claiming he does it for himself. There's only 1 reason to get that large: To beat the other opponents. When it comes to pro BB, it's not the steroids that are the most toxic. It's the mentality.

Using the past 50 years in bodybuilding to extrapolate how big professionals will be, where do you think we're going to be by 2020? Guys coming in at 5'9 345 shredded? Yeah, have fun with that. I, along with the rest of the community of serious lifters would be plenty satisfied with a Frank Zane physique. There is a difference between doing what you love and conforming to societies bullshit standards. I will never let a country of fat-asses and liberal fuckwits dictate how I should look, but guess what? It would also be nice to go get a cup of coffee without having people look at you like you belong in a circus. Modern bodybuilding is fucked. It has been for the past 20 years and probably will be forever. Enjoy having people who have never stepped foot into a gym tell you that you need to be bigger.

And to answer your question, a .5mg dose every day of methyltrienolone for 2 weeks will cause liver harm even after you've stopped. Cheque drops are equally toxic. Don't take this post as an insult, because it seriously is not meant to be one. Just by your posts I can tell you're still very naive as to what you're getting yourself into and what pro's need to do to survive. Pain pills and stimulants are abused in bodybuilding to an astonishing degree. Nolva might keep minor gyno at bay, but what about when the damage is already done? Yeah, surgery. Synthol is now a common occurrence on the scene as well. And oh, don't even get me started on the amount of money you're going to be spending in order to afford the AAS, insulin, peptides, GH, thyroid hormones, clen, BP meds, statins, and pain pills.



Yeah, but that's far from an unnatural physique so your decision was fucking retarded. You may not care now, but you're going to be paying the price for that cycle in just a few years time. You'll see.

i would say phil heath is proof that symmetry and aesthetics still count for something. guys blame dorian yates for creating the era of freaks but guys like ronnie, jay and markus ruhl are the only pros i would consider to just be freaky big. theres guys like alexey lesukov who have the potential to be enourmous but for the moment theres no1 that could surpass ronnies size. im not saying i would do whatever it takes to be a top pro, but im not just going to never compete because im not willing to go to the extremes it takes to be mr. o thats years down the line anyway. my first show isnt untill next october and after that i would move into mens class where it will take me years to be big enough to win.

also, when u look at all the top guys atm, they were all on gear from 18 or younger. just look at branch warren and jay cutler when they were in the teen usa together, both were obviously on gear and flex wheeler admitted he was 18 when he started.

what age did u start using then? or any1 else who wants to chime in.

 

[Gucks]

Most body builders, professionals, have never heard of PCT. They are either bulking or cutting. There's no point for them to come off gear. I'm not saying they run Tren for a year at a time (that would stress you mentally and physically) but they are probably running Test all year with different compounds here and there depending on if they are off or on season and their goals. The thing with pros though is that they have doctors constantly running blood work and somebody that is advising them on their cycle and keeping an eye on them.

Tren is a fucking beast. I'm only on 60mg a day (I attribute it to being high quality shit) and it gives me terrible mood swings and a rage like no other. It's kill your cardio dead, I ran across the warehouse at work today and thought I was going to fucking die. Never again. Not only does it give you night sweats, you get day sweats, you sweat all the time. Tren is a compound that people need to understand may not be for them. It's not like running Test, Deca, EQ, Masteron, Primo, Sten, or shit like that. It's in a class all it's own.

ok, well whenever i use it ill start low and use caution. u get alot of good gains on 420mg/week though? u ever compete?

 

[-Guido-]

ok, well whenever i use it ill start low and use caution. u get alot of good gains on 420mg/week though? u ever compete?

420mg of Tren or Test?

Not yet. In a year or two I may compete in some local shows for shits and giggles but I don't plan on going professional at all. I have no desire to look like Ronnie Coleman and the professionals of today, not to mention I don't have the money to run the gear, HGH, isulin, peptides, and other pharmaceuticals needed to even have a chance of competing professionally. Not only that but being a professional is not appealing to me. I can only imagine how those guys feel on stage under those lights, flexing while dehydrated as fuck with Lasix flowing through their veins.

I plan on running some HGH in the future but nothing close to the doseages bodybuilders are using. I'm not down with the abnormal bone growth and increase in inter organ fat that leads to that gut. I might even stay away from the HGH and just run some Ipamorelin.

 

[-Guido-]

also, when u look at all the top guys atm, they were all on gear from 18 or younger. just look at branch warren and jay cutler when they were in the teen usa together, both were obviously on gear and flex wheeler admitted he was 18 when he started.

what age did u start using then? or any1 else who wants to chime in.

The age they started using gear has nothing to do with how they look. With enough money, you could start running tons of gear and HGH at 22 and look just like them in due time. They only thing they have done by running gear at such a young age is fuck up their HTPA and ensured that they will always need gear to maintain a muscular physique.

 

[Renz Envy]

His fan base happens to be some of the most pathetic fucking pieces of shit to ever come into existence. They live their life through Zyzz because they don't love themselves and they try to emulate him. They are like fucking parrots and will jump to defend Zyzz any chance they get.

If I ever had the money I would go to Australia and proceed to shit and piss on Zyzz's grave, I would put it on Youtube. I guarantee in a few hours I would have almost a million views and all of Zyzz's little wannabe tough guy followers and even his faggot group known as "The Aesthetic Crew", just a group of fucking guys on gear who think they have amazing genetics even though they would be white trash 130lb drug addicts without steroids, would send me death threats and I would fucking laugh. I would laugh and tell them to come at me.

His fan base = A bunch of horny college kids completely ignorant of how many drugs he was taking. Nor would they have the capacity to actually follow through with poking themselves with a needle (lol). One could achieve his physique in 2 years with dedication and some drugs. No AAS necessary. (Then again I'm a natural mesomorph, so I'm not speaking on behalf of ectos)

you're exactly right. i have no 'goal physique', i would just be happy at 190lbs @ 10%bf. the most i can do is look the best i can look and the way i do it does not matter to me which is why i'm not natural at 18.

Totally not a good attitude, man. 10% BF is hardly going to be flattering to your musculature. Strive to walk around at at most 8%.

Frank Zane is my goal physique.

 

[Gucks]

420mg of Tren or Test?

Not yet. In a year or two I may compete in some local shows for shits and giggles but I don't plan on going professional at all. I have no desire to look like Ronnie Coleman and the professionals of today, not to mention I don't have the money to run the gear, HGH, isulin, peptides, and other pharmaceuticals needed to even have a chance of competing professionally. Not only that but being a professional is not appealing to me. I can only imagine how those guys feel on stage under those lights, flexing while dehydrated as fuck with Lasix flowing through their veins.

I plan on running some HGH in the future but nothing close to the doseages bodybuilders are using. I'm not down with the abnormal bone growth and increase in inter organ fat that leads to that gut. I might even stay away from the HGH and just run some Ipamorelin.

tren, 420mg of test would be pretty low. and i dont get the appeal of hgh, any1 ive talked 2 thats used it says its good for cuting up, but u need to run it extremely long and high doses to get the same results as a 12 week cycle of 500mg test a week. and hgh cost a hell of alot more then test. i had considered running it because i thought 2iu's a day was enough for 24 weeks, but thats cuting dosages 8iu's a day when im in college isnt gonna happen at the price of hgh.