Optimum Age To Start Using Steroids

Gucks said:
tren, 420mg of test would be pretty low. and i dont get the appeal of hgh, any1 ive talked 2 thats used it says its good for cuting up, but u need to run it extremely long and high doses to get the same results as a 12 week cycle of 500mg test a week. and hgh cost a hell of alot more then test. i had considered running it because i thought 2iu's a day was enough for 24 weeks, but thats cuting dosages :P 8iu's a day when im in college isnt gonna happen at the price of hgh.
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420mg of Tren a week ain't to bad. Star at 50mg a day and work your way up. Use Tren Ace, not Tren E. Tren Ace works fats and will be out of your system fast if complications arise. The only reason I'm interested in HGH and HGH releasing peptides is for the healing effects. A lot of my veins have collapsed or been totally fucked by seven years of IV heroin use. I'm sure HGH could help reverse some of the damage and make my skin look better. You do have to run it for long periods of time at high dosages for bodybuilding results. A lot of pros run 10ius - 15ius + a day.
 
-Guido- said:
420mg of Tren a week ain't to bad. Star at 50mg a day and work your way up. Use Tren Ace, not Tren E. Tren Ace works fats and will be out of your system fast if complications arise. The only reason I'm interested in HGH and HGH releasing peptides is for the healing effects. A lot of my veins have collapsed or been totally fucked by seven years of IV heroin use. I'm sure HGH could help reverse some of the damage and make my skin look better. You do have to run it for long periods of time at high dosages for bodybuilding results. A lot of pros run 10ius - 15ius + a day.
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u were on heroin..? why man? its one of the worst drugs in the world thats destined 2 ruin ur life. im not big on any recreational drugs, not even weed. and i saw in ur thread ur using melanotan 2, it good 4 tanning? i have typical irish skin so im white as milk but id consider using it 4 the summer if its not 2 pricey.
 
Gucks said:
u were on heroin..? why man? its one of the worst drugs in the world thats destined 2 ruin ur life. im not big on any recreational drugs, not even weed. and i saw in ur thread ur using melanotan 2, it good 4 tanning? i have typical irish skin so im white as milk but id consider using it 4 the summer if its not 2 pricey.
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I had some drama in my life that sent me into 7 year spiral of heroin addiction. Heroin happens lol. Been clean for two years, on the Methadone now. I will say that heroin doesn't ruin ones life, it's one's selfish desire for the drug that ruins ones life.

Melanotan II... A very amazing and curious compound. It's good for tanning depending on your skin type. With any drugs it carries a risk from darkening of moles, formation of moles, freckles on face and body, blotches of white and dark skin, development of grayish skin tone, and purple lips.

It's good for tanning though. It was developed for people who have skin cancer or are predisposed for skin cancer to be able to tan without the sun. I use it in conjunction with sunbathing during the spring and summer, but during the fall and winter I use it by itself. It's not pricey depending on where you order from.
 
look bro i'm 18, just got off my first cycle of test prop for 8 weeks, it was a great experience. i gained a total of 15lbs and only a little bodyfat added (which is inevitable when bulking unless you're a super ecto). the whole experience of a cycle is sick from every aspect but i took a risk. they say that if introducing an outside source of androgens to your body interrupts your natural production of hormones, therefore fucking up your HPTA system for good. but i firmly believe that its not possible to PERMANENTLY change your natural* production of hormones. i simply do not believe that we can change what our bodies are predisposed to do (judging that you are off steroids) in this case because hormone balance is based on genetics, so if my genetics say that my testosterone will peak at age 21, it will peak at age 21 regardless.
 
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e92 said:
look bro i'm 18, just got off my first cycle of test prop for 8 weeks, it was a great experience. i gained a total of 15lbs and only a little bodyfat added (which is inevitable when bulking unless you're a super ecto). the whole experience of a cycle is sick from every aspect but i took a risk. they say that if introducing an outside source of androgens to your body interrupts your natural production of hormones, therefore fucking up your HPTA system for good. but i firmly believe that its not possible to PERMANENTLY change your production of hormones. i simply do not believe that we can change what our bodies are predisposed to do in this case because hormone balance is based on genetics, so if my genetics say that my testosterone will peak at age 21, it will peak at age 21 regardless.
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It's not possible bro, it happens, and it happens 100%. Your HPTA is fucked for good. You know why? Because you and I both know you are going to run another cycle soon, and you are going to continue doing so. Soon your cycles are going to get longer, and your cycles are going to contain more compounds. That's just how it is bro. That's why you wait, so you finish growing, your Test peaks, and you are long gone from post pubescent hormonal aftershocks.

When your Test peaks at 21, which it will, that peak will be shit compared to others your age and compared to what it would be if you held off cycling.
 
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e92 said:
i gained a total of 15lbs and only a little bodyfat added (which is inevitable when bulking unless you're a super ecto)
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You need to learn the way of the lean bulk or recomposition. You won't put on a lot of mass in a short amount of time but the mass you do put on will be muscle and your fat will burn.
 
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e92 said:
once you come off your body goes back to normal.
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You should get some blood work done before cycle, and then a few months after your cycle and PCT. Compare the results and you will see what I am talking about.


e92 said:
i admit my diet wasnt the best, but you learn from mistakes right!
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I actually made the mistake of not eating enough the first few weeks of my cycle.
 
-Guido- said:
You should get some blood work done before cycle, and then a few months after your cycle and PCT. Compare the results and you will see what I am talking about.
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i did get bloodwork done before. i will get bloodwork done again after my pct is over.
 
-Guido- said:
I had some drama in my life that sent me into 7 year spiral of heroin addiction. Heroin happens lol. Been clean for two years, on the Methadone now. I will say that heroin doesn't ruin ones life, it's one's selfish desire for the drug that ruins ones life.

Melanotan II... A very amazing and curious compound. It's good for tanning depending on your skin type. With any drugs it carries a risk from darkening of moles, formation of moles, freckles on face and body, blotches of white and dark skin, development of grayish skin tone, and purple lips.

It's good for tanning though. It was developed for people who have skin cancer or are predisposed for skin cancer to be able to tan without the sun. I use it in conjunction with sunbathing during the spring and summer, but during the fall and winter I use it by itself. It's not pricey depending on where you order from.
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well congrats geting clean man :) and melanotan migh tnot be 4 me then :P i have freckles on my arms and a few moles. sucks being irish.
 
Gucks said:
well congrats geting clean man :) and melanotan migh tnot be 4 me then :P i have freckles on my arms and a few moles. sucks being irish.
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You could always give it a shot and try at a low dose. If you don't like whats happening just stop using it and everything will fade away in a month or two.
 
i don't understand how people can have a hatred for guido. his name may be stupid but i learned some of the best underground information on steroids from this man ever. his posts are intelligent, well thought, and the information i continue to read because its good. fuck you haters, guido you keep doing what you're doing.
 
^^^off topic but yeah I agree. people get upset about his honesty but people have to remember all the dumbasses who come through this forum asking questions that have already been answered in other threads and the stickies. plus everyone's test levels will be high during cycles so yes, this forum does pack a lot of t.

can't forget genetic freak, Victor, and nolys (young blood right there, but he inspires me the most to be honest).
 
you're in my age bracket so its like you're paving the road for me. you're still early in your cycling career as well and pretty much you're asking all the questions I need to ask before I thought of them lol.
 
Can't understand the guido hate either. He gives solid advice to people. Sure, the're always genetic outliers that can run a gram of tren without serious sides or do extremely long cycles and have their test go back to normal in a few weeks, but for the majority his advice is spot on.
 
nolys said:
Makes complete sense lol im reall glad somebody is benefiting from my posts :)
Your slightly older than me if I recall though aren't you? Something like 22 or 23?
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I'm 22 with history of heroin abuse and genetics make me look young (I got carded renting a hotel room cuz the desk lady said I looked 16). that's besides the point. also you're paving the road for me to find out how your hpta recovers and what your levels are like post cycle at a younger age.
 
Serotonin101 said:
I'm 22 with history of heroin abuse and genetics make me look young (I got carded renting a hotel room cuz the desk lady said I looked 16). that's besides the point. also you're paving the road for me to find out how your hpta recovers and what your levels are like post cycle at a younger age.
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Won't your T levels be shot anyway due to the heroin abuse? I'm going to me more than happy putting myself on trt when I'm older
 
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