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So my detox starts tomorrow. Going to need some support.

Thanks October! Unfortunately my "guy" is the fucking grocery store so that's kind of rough... Luckily though, I don't have to cut any friends from my life, which is awesome cause I love my fucking friends. None of them ever use opiates and none of them know I used so hanging out with them is not triggering at all. I'm about 36 hours since my last dose of Codeine and I feel MUCH better than I did at this point last time. But I've taken a total of 14mg of Loperamide today. Started with 6mg and felt no relief after four hours so I took another 4mg, still no relief so another 4mg about two hours later. And now I'd say it's cut my withdraw about in half. I'm still in a pretty good deal of physical pain right now (especially my head) but I'm not throwing up like last time, I'm actually not even nauseous but I don't have much of an appetite. The last few days before I quit the Codeine I was just starting to get my appetite back and now it's all fucked again.

Larson I totally feel you on the shitty sleep thing. I haven't had a "good" sleep since I quit the seeds either. I was always mad good at sleeping the fuck in and falling back asleep at any time of day when I was on them. Now I wake up between 9:30-10:30 every single day, no chance of falling back asleep. Not to mention how long it takes to initially fall asleep. Fucking terrible.. Happy you made it through your craving though.
 
Hey!! shady! i was addicted to PST and various other morphine preparations and pills for a long while and im off for a month now! i hope you're going well! PST wd is a bitch i had the runs for like 2 weeks + . Needless to say, not cool. Its a very frustrating and drawn out process. It really sucks but you WILL feel great once its out of your system! Im feeling better than i have in years. Good luck! Lotsa love <3

Sucks how with seeds you just need to get the bus to the shop and BOOM you've relapsed, so much easier to justify in your own head than buying dope off some shady fellow

Hope you start sleeping properly soon, once you can sleep regularly, half the battle will be over. For myself it was easier as i have an anti-psychotic drug, levomepromazine, which im prescribed for insomnia and it's been working great, made the whole WD so much less awful, shit knocks me out for 10 hours most of the time.

By the way i found it good not dose Lope to regularly as it can end up prolonging the WDs IME especially the GI symptoms. Great stuff for WDs though
 
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Yeah man, I would guess it's hard when a dealer is your store hahah! But man, if I were you, I would grab some subs. I have a buddy from San Fran who is sending me some cause I broke down last night for some reason and needed someone to talk to since he was also abusing Opana and is now clean from everything besides subs which he gets every month to help with everything so once thoes come in it will be alot easier for me! Cold turkey is dangerous and is not the best option to go. Tappering is anyones best bet. But when you tapper, you gotta commit to it! I cut up my subs and make an 8mg last me atleast 2 days and sometimes 3. He is sending me six of them so I will be calculating my tapper schedual with the dosages I am going to be using. Suboxone is the best way to go when trying to kick opiates if you dont abuse it. If I wear you, and you are still in alot of pain, try and grab some it's your best bet. Subs are there to help you cope and deal with the W/D so it's ment to be there when you need it. But if you never done subs before then I would suggest not going over board and start out with 2-3mg of it (depending on what mg you get.)
I am here for you man, we all are who keep up with this thread, we want to see you succeed just like how your parents wanted to when you were in school. You have our support, and you can tell us anything and we all will try to help! I'm very very proud of you though for only slipping once during your detox with the poppy's, now you just gotta kick the Codiene!

EDIT: And to feel like your not a faliuer, I too had a slip up recently, and was very depressed with myself, but hey, that's life right? Life is what you make it!
 
Well I'm 48 hours now since I've taken anything (Besides Loeramide) and I have to say that I'm feeling almost perfectly okay today. I even slept decently well last night and didn't wake up till almost 11. I don't get it. I haven't taken any Loperamide in about 12 hours, is it possible that the 14mg taken spaced throughout yesterday can be basically eliminating my withdraw completely? I feel better than I did before I went to bed last night by a long shot. My stomach hurts a little bit and I'm burping and sneezing a lot and that's pretty much it. No pain in my legs, muscles, or head at all. I'm not complaining but I don't want to prolong things anymore. I'm not going to take any more Loperamide and see how I feel later on.

I made a decision before I moved from the city that I wasn't going to go on any long-term prescribed meds like subs to get clean. I feel like I don't really need them and I would just end up abusing them, I'm sure...
 
It just that quitting on the spot can hurt alot more and you are just putting yourself through hell. If you tapper then you can make a schedual and cut down on the MG's at a time until you are down to 1 mg and then from there you can go off cause you weaned yourself off. It was just an expression using the word "dangerous" saying that alot of people have suicidal thoughts during it, or have more pain than they asked for.
 
Fuck... I'm so sick of going from one opiate to a weaker opiate to a weaker opiate... I just shit normally (not diarrhea or constipation) so that tells me the Loperamide is definitely still in effect which I'm now sure is why I'm not feeling bad. Honestly, I didn't think the Loperamide would do anything for my other symptoms and I sure as fuck didn't think it would completely eliminate the withdraw. I definitely wouldn't have taken 14mg yesterday if I wasn't so skeptical... I only have 10mg left so I'll wait till I actually have diarrhea now before I take any more, and I'm not gonna take more than 4-6mg today, if anything.
 
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Fuck... I'm so sick of going from one opiate to a weaker opiate to a weaker opiate... I just shit normally (not diarrhea or constipation) so that tells me the Loperamide is definitely still in effect which I'm now sure is why I'm not feeling bad. Honestly, I didn't think the Loperamide would do anything for my other symptoms and I sure as fuck didn't think it would completely eliminate the withdraw. I definitely wouldn't have taken 14mg yesterday if I wasn't so skeptical... I only have 10mg left so I'll wait till I actually have diarrhea now before I take any more, and I'm not gonna take more than 4-6mg today, if anything.
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taper it down now, 2mg a day maybe 4 spaced out. it will prolongue some effects. i noticed it when i came off it. worst is the GI problems but i got noticable chills and such. could be placebo but i dont think so.

and yeah, i would usually take it the night before and would wake up feeling alright, seems to last pretty long.

my brain doesn't work today. this post made even less sense before i edited part 8)
 
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Just the fact that I slept so well and woke up feeling a lot groggier than usual leads me to believe that there was definitely some opiate effect there. I don't just feel pretty alright, I feel completely fine... Almost better than I'd feel after a dose of Codeine in the morning. I'm kind of blown away how well Loperamide has worked to be honest.
 
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Just the fact that I slept so well and woke up feeling a lot groggier than usual leads me to believe that there was definitely some opiate effect there. I don't just feel pretty alright, I feel completely fine... Almost better than I'd feel after a dose of Codeine in the morning. I'm kind of blown away how well Loperamide has worked to be honest.
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yeah it is pretty strong. it wont be anything bad but i think i took it for 2 or 3 weeks and had a day of feeling shitty with no lope. it didn't help me sleep or anything though. maybe your body is just tired so you sleep better. i slept a lot more during w/d and the week or 2 after. i had to lay down every night i wasn't working around 7pm and usually fell asleep, even some naps during the day before work.
 
Well it's been about 60 hours since my last dose of Codeine. And it's also been 24 hours since I've had any Loperamide and I still feel totally fine. I took another 6mg just now in case it wears off when I'm trying to sleep. Tomorrow I'll take 3mg before bed and then cut it and I should be golden. Well maybe not golden but in a pretty decent spot I think. I'm FINALLY feeling like I'm close to the end. Closer than I've ever been before and that's my driving force forward at the moment.

I don't ever take naps or anything, I'm scared it will give me problems falling asleep later on at night. I drink a lot of coffee now though. Partially to wake up and partially so I don't go cold turkey off a 400mg a day dose from the Codeine pills. Caffeine withdraw headaches are no fucking fun either.
 
i spent every w/d day wakin up around 9 or 10 and made a few cups of tea while i sat outside writing and listening to music. caffeine is great cause it gives you that energy and slight feelings of well being. im really sensitive to it now though.

i live in florida though and the weather happened to be perfect that week. every day was sunny and had a nice breeze plus it was colder than it normally is, which means you can sit in the sun and not burn to fuck. felt great actually but i dont do it anymore.

i had so much energy that week surprisingly and was really active. expanding my music and writing really helped me the most. tv was shit to sit and watch i had to be using my mind in some way.

you've been at it awhile now. its good your takin it all the way.
 
Did you used to write before or during using Larson?

What did you write about out of curiousity? (if you don't mind sharing a bit)
 
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Well it's been about 60 hours since my last dose of Codeine. And it's also been 24 hours since I've had any Loperamide and I still feel totally fine. I took another 6mg just now in case it wears off when I'm trying to sleep. Tomorrow I'll take 3mg before bed and then cut it and I should be golden. Well maybe not golden but in a pretty decent spot I think. I'm FINALLY feeling like I'm close to the end. Closer than I've ever been before and that's my driving force forward at the moment.
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I don't understand what's going on with your detox Shady, I really don't! I would have expected you to be sick as hell by now. Excellent that you're not. Don't understand it, but not gonna question it! :lol: Finally seems to be coming good for you. Got to admire you mate. Despite the horrendous ups and downs you've been through these last, what is it, 3 weeks or so now, you've always seemed able to find that bit of extra resolve from somewhere. Not easy digging that deep I know. Don't even know you but I'm strangely proud of you. Hope you're proud of yourself. Not many would have made it this far fella. Good for you! ;)
 
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Did you used to write before or during using Larson?

What did you write about out of curiousity? (if you don't mind sharing a bit)
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i didn't really ever write but i always wanted to. i just did free writing. i haven't looked back and read it yet i dont know if i ever will or if i will in 10 years or tomorrow. its in crude cursive on paper w/ pen.

whatever came on my mind i wrote about till i had nothing to write about it then i switched topics. some was about my past, present, future, what i was gonna do that day, how i was feeling, etc.
 
Ah, 72 hours totally clean this morning and it feels fucking awesome. I appreciate you saying that Sepher, if there's one I absolutely hate about detoxing alone it's the fact that I lack encouragement from people I care about and people who care about me. Don't get me wrong, these forums have been a godsend but I really wish I had someone in person to cheer me on, tell me I'm doing great and tell me how proud they are of me. Someone else who knows and has seen the hell I've been through and can appreciate it and in turn, make me appreciate it. It's tough...

I woke up feeling slightly ill and didn't sleep as well as the other night. Definitely not completely withdraw free like yesterday, but definitely nothing too bad. Bit of sore restless legs and upset stomach and that's pretty much it. My nose isn't even running, but I'm still sneezing a lot. I only took 6mg of Loperamide last night and I'm seriously going to swear by this stuff now. I say it's absolutely necessary when kicking opiates. For now anyway, but I guess only time will tell when I'm not taking it anymore. Hopefully I'm not forced back into some severe withdraw but I kind of doubt it... 3mg tonight before bed and then off. Then maybe I can quit cigarettes too, one thing at a time...

I really enjoy writing but I always have. Writing whatever, lyrics, poems, thoughts, anything really. I'm currently working on a short story, definitely helps with the boredom.
 
lol i had the idea to quit smoking cigs at the same time i detoxed. wasn't happenin for me.
 
That's the only bad thing since I moved here, I've been smoking a lot more than I used to as I'm allowed to smoke inside now...

Well I'm 4 days clean now and I feel about the same as yesterday, not bad but not 100%. I took 3mg of Loperamide about 16 or so hours ago and that's it now. I'm expecting some diarrhea in the next 24 hours but other than that I really don't think it's going to get any worse than this. I'm still sneezing all the fucking time though, and always in pairs. Not like this is really that bad though.

But I've started thinking about things now. Things like, when the withdraw comes to and end, then what? I'm trying to take things one day at a time but thinking of the coming weeks without anything makes me very uneasy. I'm thinking that after another week or so my Codeine tolerance will be down so I could get high on it again if I want, maybe just once in a while, you know? It's funny how our brains work post-addiction. I know myself pretty fucking well and I'm absolutely positive that I will never be able to go back to occasional opiate use, but my brain seems to think otherwise.
 
But I've started thinking about things now. Things like, when the withdraw comes to and end, then what? I'm trying to take things one day at a time but thinking of the coming weeks without anything makes me very uneasy. I'm thinking that after another week or so my Codeine tolerance will be down so I could get high on it again if I want, maybe just once in a while, you know? It's funny how our brains work post-addiction. I know myself pretty fucking well and I'm absolutely positive that I will never be able to go back to occasional opiate use, but my brain seems to think otherwise.
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This is the real question. Getting clean really is the easy part.. learning how to live life sober is a whole new ballpark for many addicts. You really just have to take it day by day. In my personal experience, after a few months clean I started thinking about using much less. For the first month off though I literally thought about using dozens of times a day.

In the long run, it is much less hassle to stay clean rather then getting into the cycle of using and withdrawing every few months. Many people tend to get caught in that cycle though.
 
Hey man you have my support. I've managed to avoid addiction so far, but I have a lot of experience with family and friends with various addictions. If you ever need help, advice, or just to vent, my PM box is available :)

I'm thinking that after another week or so my Codeine tolerance will be down so I could get high on it again if I want, maybe just once in a while, you know? It's funny how our brains work post-addiction
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I wouldn't advise it. Best to leave it until you've kicked the habit for quite some time before even considering using any opiates again.

Before you do that you need to pick up some new hobbies. Fill that void of time with some new stuff to keep you occupied and happy, and relapse shouldn't be a problem, even if you do decide to use occasionally in the future.

Best of luck <3
 
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