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What makes someone a bad person?

In the end- insecurity and a desire for instant gratification are a breeding ground for mal-intent.

The sociopathic mastermind is a phenomenon that only occurs in a small part of the population.
 
Well we all do bad things, so I don't know exactly how you tally it to decide whether a person themselves is good or bad. But generally speaking, the golden rule, do unto others as you'd have done to you, is a good guide in my opinion.

I would argue that a sociopath is always a bad person, if by good or bad we are judging the quality of a person as a member of a society where we want everyone to be happy and get along. Because by definition, a sociopath is a person who is completely unconcerned by whether or not their actions harm others, a psychopath is someone who actually gets enjoyment from harming others. So yeah a sociopath is bad by that standard of judgement.

I think if most people stopped before doing things and just thought "if every single person did this, what would happen?" So if say it's tossing your cigarette butt on the ground instead of the garbage, the world looks like a garbage dump, if it's going to apply for your library card and saying "yes I'm low income I can't afford it" when you're not - they'll still give you a card, but if everyone does that the library can't operate.

But none of us are perfect and I'm sure even the kindest people have done really unfriendly and inconsiderate things in their life. So I guess bad would just be someone who consistently and as their standard practice through life acts in a way that creates advantage for themselves by handing disadvantage to others.
 
I think most of us who have wandered down the path of various drug abuses can say we've experienced being embodied by a "thought process not like our own."

Meaning these various chemical imbalances we may encounter can encourage malicious intent. Would something as scientific as this make a bad person?

Or would the person have to be born this way. I can think of multiple examples of people being introduced into the social world, lying, cheating and manipulating their way to the top; making enemies out of everyone and keeping only strong friends to push their way through.
 
Renz Envy said:
I think most of us who have wandered down the path of various drug abuses can say we've experienced being embodied by a "thought process not like our own."

Meaning these various chemical imbalances we may encounter can encourage malicious intent. Would something as scientific as this make a bad person?

Or would the person have to be born this way. I can think of multiple examples of people being introduced into the social world, lying, cheating and manipulating their way to the top; making enemies out of everyone and keeping only strong friends to push their way through.
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The dogs in Animal Farm are those types. Cutthroat, backstabbing for personal gain when the asset used for advancement can ho no further.

Sociopaths are uniquely bizarre, it's hard to understand because most of us have a semblance of empathy. Can you imagine maintaining intimate relationships which look genuine to the trusting normal person, with absolutely no feeling. Sexual or monetary gain is all. Picking a true sociopath out is hard. Psychopathy is easier to spot then cold, calculating, often intelligent, success suckers.

I vaguely remember reading an article about a test given to CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, with questions mixed in that are used to rate sociopathic traits. I believe they scored on average significantly above the control population, not surprising.
 
B9 said:
The dogs in animal farm are simply unthinking trained killers - it's all about the pigs really
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Yeah, the pigs are the power (you can see why stalin was not fond of orwell : D ) I suppose you could describe them as that, but they would still kinda be like the CEOs I mentioned, bottom lines get bigger without morals.
 
Dude killing someone is always a bad thing. Just because it was in self defense doesn't mean it's not a bad thing, it's all apart of living. I'm not saying you should feel horribly guilty about killing someone in self defense, but cosmic law and man's law are two different things. Even killing people whom we judge to be bad based on arbitrary factors such as Hitler or Stalin is wrong because even the wisest among us don't know all things. Then again any action or statement taken place in this world is fraught with peril inherently. Not that THAT should worry anyone either.

Renz Envy- That's just living baby! I agree that's far from goodness though. Goodness is a rare thing and I don't honestly believe I have it in as large of quantities as I should like. It obviously keeps me up at night though, given the hour of this post.
 
To me, a bad person is someone who does the same things over and over, knowing that these actions hurt others. Whether the person feels guilt over what they do is immaterial-they would quit if they really cared about others.
 
What makes you good or bad? If somebody is born without any empathy then that's how they were born. They'll then act accordingly based on their own experience of the world which may be different from other people. It's not as if everybody is generally full of empathy anyways; often doing or not doing something is based on a belief of what is right/wrong or a desire to avoid feeling guilt.
 
Renz Envy said:
I'm curious. It's a highly subjective topic, however I find that people have varying viewpoints on their idea of evil, corruption and overall neglect for empathy.

Would being a sociopath make you a bad person?

What if there are sociopaths who, with common sense, give off a false air of empathy for other people for the sake of their own personal gain?
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I feel like this applies to me XD. I'm a living contradiction, an ENFJ that disdains most people. A nihilist in social work. XD

Being a Nihilst I'll tell you. Evil is in the eye of the beholder and it is entirely subjective.

And while I fight for equal rights and human rights I do so solely because it bothers me. Not because of any morality based assessment E.G. treating people like animals is bad but purely because I empathize with people's sufferings and know I would not like to be in that position.

I'm also a militant revolutionary but I know and I tell people that if I was part of the leadership of a revolution that they would need to be prepared for me to step down as soon as shit was established/kill me If I insist on leading because I personally see most humans as nothing but shameless animals wholly undeserving of the technologies of this world.

And I'll come out and fucking say it, THE WORLD IS GUIDED BY HEDONISM. Either learn to deal with it or learn to manipulate it. For the love of god at least stop trying to act like it isn't.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
Dude killing someone is always a bad thing. Just because it was in self defense doesn't mean it's not a bad thing, it's all apart of living. I'm not saying you should feel horribly guilty about killing someone in self defense, but cosmic law and man's law are two different things. Even killing people whom we judge to be bad based on arbitrary factors such as Hitler or Stalin is wrong because even the wisest among us don't know all things. Then again any action or statement taken place in this world is fraught with peril inherently. Not that THAT should worry anyone either.

Renz Envy- That's just living baby! I agree that's far from goodness though. Goodness is a rare thing and I don't honestly believe I have it in as large of quantities as I should like. It obviously keeps me up at night though, given the hour of this post.
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That's you're belief XD If I had a button that would instantly make all humans disappear from the earth myself included I wold probably only hesitate for a moment before pressing it.
 
What makes someone a bad person in my eyes, is when a person does something they know is bad, harmful, damaging, etc, and lack any regret or guilt in doing so. Simple really...
 
Ive met more then a few people who i would describe as being very bad people. As in the only bit of good they will ever do in their lives is act as fertilizer when there dead :p . People who only care about themselves, have no morals whatsoever and fuck over everyone in sight, are cunt's for the sheer sake of being cunts and are just all around evil bastards that no one likes. They only time they go out of their way to do anything for anyone else at all is when there is something in it for them. So they are miserable bad bastards.
 
paranoid android said:
Ive met more then a few people who i would describe as being very bad people. As in the only bit of good they will ever do in their lives is act as fertilizer when there dead :p . People who only care about themselves, have no morals whatsoever and fuck over everyone in sight, are cunt's for the sheer sake of being cunts and are just all around evil bastards that no one likes. They only time they go out of their way to do anything for anyone else at all is when there is something in it for them. So they are miserable bad bastards.
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Oh but what kind of person would you be if it was not for their ancestors who were brutal individualist assholes that forced the western world into a depravity under which Marx and Engels et.al developed their parties politcal philosophy, a by product of which is your avatar?
 
No such thing as a bad person. An unbelievable multitude of environmental factors impinge upon the human being, even before they are born, to produce biologically damaged individuals. We self-righteously scold those we deem as "bad" without taking into true consideration the fact that we ourselves are culture, and it is culture that is damaging the human being! We are our own worst enemy. Judge not less ye be judged..

There is the second issue of allowing manevolent forces/entities to impinge upon the Mind of a person, but in our modern age of reason we have banished that idea as superstitious because we can't prove it according to materialistic standards, so I can't really add more to that comment here.
 
hiphophippy said:
That's you're belief XD If I had a button that would instantly make all humans disappear from the earth myself included I wold probably only hesitate for a moment before pressing it.
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It's also my belief that you're a bit of a mess.
"the only reason I'm alive is because of how i can help people" "i give a shit about politics" "I repeat shitty skrillex songs to prove some point that is still unclear" "I say obvious things in bold as if it's the most fucking important thing ever that other people conclude and that the font of my text is a critical aspect to an argument"
 
What(=Who) makes someone a bad person? People who don't see, that their own understanding of the actions others make, is just fragmentary.

But naturally we have to measure the morality of others, to classify our own. It's nothing someone could rationally determine, because as we gain expierence with time, the scale of morality changes. The flowing change.

The only way to rationally define good or bad actions, is to outline the fact of time and just value the snapshot of a situation. But these definitions lose their value outside of this snapshot.
 
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