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What makes someone a bad person?

There are several good points in this thread, however I also see a lot of ignorant trolls posting in here.
My personal thoughts on this matter is that a lot of it has to do with hormones and environment.

Once people mature past the hormonal stage of human adolescence, then coming to conclusion about the fate of death when they get older usually becomes a wake-up call to individuals if they were sociopaths or psychopaths.
I think ego, survival instincts, restrictions, or frustrations tend to spawn sociopath tendencies, and it's typically from the result of how their parents raised them or the peers they were surrounded with when they were younger.
 
Good and evil are so subjective and culturally biased terms that I almost refuse to use them. I've known people that in all likelihood have killed other human beings, something most people here consider the epitome of evil (perhaps behind severe sexual assault, i.e. rape and child molestation) and do actual good for the people they care about. I know people who haven't killed anybody (or even physically harmed somebody, at least not since childhood or adolescence) but do nothing but cause emotional wreckage to everybody that has ever cared about them, and contribute nothing to the world around them, including those they are responsible to care for, yet these people only have good intentions, they are mentally ill.

I also know people who seem to do nothing but good, and I sometimes get the impression that these people are more interested in the internal reward they themselves feel for helping those less fortunate actually outweighs any external factors, including empathy for the less fortunate. Doing good becomes more of an addiction than an intent. I also notice quite a bit of adrenaline seeking with these people, as they take trips to some of the most unstable places in the world (namely South America) in order to fulfill this need, often at the expense of their own children who need a stable home.

I can only classify a few people I have known as truly evil, and it something that is based more on feeling than logic. I can justify the choices a sociopath makes (I have a couple in my family, they are shitty but attached to one or two people around them), but the people who are truly evil are the ones who are not sociopathic, but simply out of control and insane. They don't care about ladder climbing, they just want to smoke crack and go full on hedonist like you have never seen before on the world. They are often cowardly, but dangerous at the same time. They will back down from a fight and shoot you the next day. They all happen to be in prison at the moment. Scary fucks. At least sociopaths can be reasoned with (money and mutual benefit talks, a sociopath needs to know you have something to offer them, and that you know what they are and will not take any shit, because you will defeat them), an impulsive, violent maniac is no good for any society.
 
hiphophippy said:
It was supposed to be a blanket statement; Seems like you're on the right path and a rational enough person to realize the truths of the world.

There are two driving forces of any earthly animals existence, the drive for satisfaction/pleasure ect. and the drive for procreation, which in itself is still satisfying a desire. All choices anyone makes are result of the hedonistic mental process. Which I could elaborate on enough to turn it in as a thesis for a doctorate, since I would rather not I've shifted the responsibility to you. It's a nice little mental exercise.

As far as being condescending goes; I have a very low tolerance for bullshit.
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Well, it's nice to know SOMEBODY out there has all the answers!

Clearly, hedonism drives the world from your point of view. However, you are obviously ignoring the worldwide concept of social obligation as a primary motivator, that thing we call "honor". It usually is defined by going against selfish hedonism, overcoming one's subjugation to the ego in order to live for altruism as it is defined by one's culture.

Man is not an island, nor is he simply a screaming infant in an adult body. Growing up, maturation, life, is about sacrifice, doing and accepting the things you don't really want to do/accept, but that are necessary for genuine self-improvement and satisfaction. Hedonism, at least in my prolonged experience with it, never results in either of those things.

Surely, as someone with a low tolerance for bullshit, you can see how your own myopic view of the world cannot be the ONE GREAT TRUTH, because there is no one truth above all others. In fact, the belief in such is about the closest trait I can think of to qualify someone as insane. There's nothing "purely objective" about your beliefs.

You are insane. Cure yourself however you can, or dive headfirst into hedonistic suicide. It's a choice pretty much every person has to make at some point in their lives. It's a lesson no doctorate-level college course or degree is going to be able to teach you.
 
HoneyRoastedPeanut said:
Well, it's nice to know SOMEBODY out there has all the answers!

Clearly, hedonism drives the world from your point of view. However, you are obviously ignoring the worldwide concept of social obligation as a primary motivator, that thing we call "honor". It usually is defined by going against selfish hedonism, overcoming one's subjugation to the ego in order to live for altruism as it is defined by one's culture.

Man is not an island, nor is he simply a screaming infant in an adult body. Growing up, maturation, life, is about sacrifice, doing and accepting the things you don't really want to do/accept, but that are necessary for genuine self-improvement and satisfaction. Hedonism, at least in my prolonged experience with it, never results in either of those things.

Surely, as someone with a low tolerance for bullshit, you can see how your own myopic view of the world cannot be the ONE GREAT TRUTH, because there is no one truth above all others. In fact, the belief in such is about the closest trait I can think of to qualify someone as insane. There's nothing "purely objective" about your beliefs.

You are insane. Cure yourself however you can, or dive headfirst into hedonistic suicide. It's a choice pretty much every person has to make at some point in their lives. It's a lesson no doctorate-level college course or degree is going to be able to teach you.
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People only adhere to "the things you don't really want to do/accept" as long as they see the ultimate outcome as pleasurable. Why do people steal? Why do people not steal. Someone engaged with an opportunity to steal something has a few rationalizations

I'm not going to steal this: because it's wrong for (reason) and the mental displeasure of facing that I do not want to deal with. These are your moral based reasons usually, it's wrong, it would effect the business or I don't want it enough to.
the next step is I'm not going to steal this because there are repercussions out side of my control E.G. getting caught and going to jail.
an then there is just taking it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q844OgsP4_4&feature=related
The above^ think of the thought process of the father and then rationalize it. explaining the outcome.
(also the above is like, one of the saddest films ever)


and, on your last point, While still tying it into you're point. I'm in school studying community organization and change a.k.a. getting a degree in the community work I do. I've taken on the responsibility of taking on one or twoish hundred thousand dollars in debt to advance the overall happiness, health, safety ect. of the community around me. A job that honestly is going to pay between minimum and no wage. (So really you can take whatever conjectures of me you have of me that lead you to an accusationsof insanity over my non-denial of hedonism being the guiding force of humanity and shove it up your ass.)

Why would I come to this decision? incurring hundreds of thousands in debt that I most likely won't pay off until I'm in my 40's if ever? Must seem like I'm insane. Might seem outside of my say that hedonism drives human population. but is is entirely within it. My community is a shitty socially abominably place** and I'd like to improve it; that's what stimulates my pleasure centers, helping people.


**(and it's listed as one of the most socially progressiv in the US! HAHA! 16 behind Sanfran as numero uno. of you want a scale of how shitty our country is acknowledge that SanFran is #1 and then go there and see how shitty an run down shit is, especially in the sections with colored/low income peoples.
 
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idk hedonism isn't really controversial...I've already stated how it basically coincides with economics, but it's certainly not all that there is to the story.
 
In keeping with the times, I see society as implaccable only in the desire to reach one's own personal end.
Perhaps all that Jonesing is motivation. I mean, opposition distinguishes the lines on every map; no journey is complete until the Times are now after all.
I sure can't wait. (:
 
Renz Envy said:
I think most of us who have wandered down the path of various drug abuses can say we've experienced being embodied by a "thought process not like our own."
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I don't abuse drugs, I use them as tools for healing and personal growth.
 
A bad person is one who acts selfishly; and who's behavior is not moderated by due consideration to the impacts of their actions beyond themselves.

What an appropriate level of due consideration is however, may be highly subjective.
 
bit different there. a tree and gravity would both be the same, albeit undefined, if man was not there. notions of good and bad would not exist without man, for they exist only in our heads.
 
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