Heroin first time

[Sepher]

Hayley, you must do a miniscule test dose before trying for anything likely to give you a proper rush and a nod. In the UK the average bags of base H I was buying are typically 300mg. Let's assume on average it's 33% pure ((( That was purity discovered from H we had seized and tested by police, and deemed to be relatively high purity. ))) So, That leaves us with 100mg actual H. I injected a guy who had never done H before with a fifth of a bag, or 20mg or thereabouts. The guy was effectively dead within a minute, no pulse, no breathing, nothing, and this was a big guy, 6'4"ish, probable 16 stone (224lbs). I managed to keep him alive with CPR till the ambulance arrived and pumped him full of Naloxone. That's all it takes for someone with no tolerance, and you have no idea how sensitive you will be to the effects. I've no idea what average purity is where you are, but I would suggest you need to aiming for 5mg per hit, certainly no more than 10mg till you have ascertained its effects at that dose level. You can always do a second hit to increase the nod, but avoid chasing the rush for now.

 

[zagzig]

Better luck next life

 

[hayleyescape]

Perhaps she hasn't asked her boyfriend because he's deeper into it (since 2003) and trusts a harm reduction forum to recommend a more reasonable first dose, one that is much less likely to cause her to fall in love at first shot. Her boyfriend probably wouldn't mind the two of them becoming heroin buddies, and how do you increase the odds of that happening? One big sexy shot with an amazing rush followed by a lovely nod. This is a harm reduction forum, she's definitely going to try it no matter what, and she's going to do it via IV no matter what. What can the community do in this circumstance to reduce her chances of becoming a junkie other than recommend a small dose that could make her reconsider going farther and becoming addicted? Nothing.

Actually I have asked him, he doesn't want me to over think. His suggestion is that I do one match head from the seller he gets them from. I'm just scared that's too much. He says I'll be fine.

 

[Sepher]

And how much is a matchhead? What weight are the wraps you buy sold in? There's usually a fairly standard weight for a certain amount of money in any given area. Not allowed to give prices but £x would buy me 0.2g, £y would buy me 0.3g. Take the weight of the bag, be generous with a guesstimate of purity, do some research as to what it is likely to be. Divide weight of bag by % purity to work out exactly how much H you've actually got, divide again by however much gets you to 5mg. If you prep the whole bag using enough water to fill a 1ml pin with 100 divisions, you know near enough what the full 1ml contains, and it will be easy to work how much each 10th and 100th division contains. Take whatever fraction = 5mg. Do not guesstimate by eye looking at the gear in the wrap. It's impossible to accurately eyeball it when we're talking single digit mgs with little in the way of margin for error that could prove fatal.

 

[hayleyescape]

And how much is a matchhead? What weight are the wraps you buy sold in? There's usually a fairly standard weight for a certain amount of money in any given area. Not allowed to give prices but £x would buy me 0.2g, £y would buy me 0.3g. Take the weight of the bag, be generous with a guesstimate of purity, do some research as to what it is likely to be. Divide weight of bag by % purity to work out exactly how much H you've actually got, divide again by however much gets you to 5mg. If you prep the whole bag using enough water to fill a 1ml pin with 100 divisions, you know near enough what the full 1ml contains, and it will be easy to work how much each 10th and 100th division contains. Take whatever fraction = 5mg. Do not guesstimate by eye looking at the gear in the wrap. It's impossible to accurately eyeball it when we're talking single digit mgs with little in the way of margin for error that could prove fatal.

The measurement is just confusing me honestly..

 

[Soccertrendy]

A year back in may, me and my girlfriend were experimenting with heroin, we were only smoking it s i had tried it in jail and even tho i insisted she never tried it she made me let her. One night we had taken some (very little infact and had a nice little nod and fell asleep. I awoke in the morning to find my girlfriend lying strange and i tried to wake her, instantly i noticed what looked like blood stains on her nasal opening and mouth, i shook her harder and realised she wasnt breathing, Instantly i called the emergency services and atmitted to taking heroin regardless of whether i would get into trouble or the like. They told me to perform CPR but to get her off the bed first. She was only a size 6 (usa size 0) but she was really hard to lift and just flopped off. Anyway by this time my mums friend, a nurse had came along..checked and said "its too late, shes gone" i broke down, ran out the house and fucked off in the car and just drove and drove!

I will never forget that night and part of me blames me for letting her try it, looking back now i know i should have stopped her. I think anyone that loves you fully would and should try there best to discourage you rom taking herin, never mind puting a needle in your arm.

i'm really surprised that your boyfriend of 8 years is encouraging this. Can i ask how many people on here who has baged heroin would go back and bang it agin at the stat knowing what they know now??

Hyley, how would you feel if your sister or a family member was asking you for this advice? would you tell them to go ahead.

I know i cant stop you but please hayley, minimise the risk as much as you can, as people have said at least try anothr route before iv to test for strength. Be safe hayley make sure you plan for worst case scenario and talk it over more with your boyfriend. For instance he says he doesnt want you to overthink, but do you know hat to do if he ODS? Do you knw the difference with a great nod and an OD?

if you insist on doing it please make yourself aware of all this stuff! its better to overthink than to not know.

Ultimately just live please. Would hte to see another young life wastedon heroin.

I still take it btw, but i wish i never i would love to go back to being in your situation as i can 100% garuantee i wouldnt take it never mind inject it

sorry for ranting hayley/ be safe my friend

 

[Soccertrendy]

double post sorru

 

[Artemesia G]

Wow, DARE was right. That devil's lettuce really is a gateway drug.

 

[shady4091]

Wow, DARE was right. That devil's lettuce really is a gateway drug.

Hahaha!

I totally agree that you need to smoke some or sniff some before you IV, just to see how much you're gonna need. I'm not trying to talk you out of doing it, go ahead and IV for your second time, once you know how pure the dope is. IVing Heroin right off the bat with NO opiate tolerance at all sounds really scary.

IF you insist on doing this, have your boyfriend give you the shot VERY slowly, and I mean VERY! If you do it yourself there's a good chance it will feel so good you'll keep pushing well into an OD.

 

[smurfherder]

before i say anything this should be taken as advice not being preached to or scolded at:

1. Other people have said it but seriously snort or smoke a little before you shoot up, I mean i dont think thats an outrageous request and it would at least prepare you a little bit for whats to come.

2. Unless your trying to do the most absolutely reckless thing possible regarding drugs, do some sort of middle ground drug first, something stonger than nugg but weaker than skag. I mean no offense but saying you want to go from weed to shooting up makes you sound like a thirteen year old smoking oregano out of a water bottle bong. Im aware its all your choice but you requested advice, and thats what you were given.

Anyway whatever you do, I hope you have a good time

 

[Tommyboy]

A year back in may, me and my girlfriend were experimenting with heroin, we were only smoking it s i had tried it in jail and even tho i insisted she never tried it she made me let her. One night we had taken some (very little infact and had a nice little nod and fell asleep. I awoke in the morning to find my girlfriend lying strange and i tried to wake her, instantly i noticed what looked like blood stains on her nasal opening and mouth, i shook her harder and realised she wasnt breathing, Instantly i called the emergency services and atmitted to taking heroin regardless of whether i would get into trouble or the like. They told me to perform CPR but to get her off the bed first. She was only a size 6 (usa size 0) but she was really hard to lift and just flopped off. Anyway by this time my mums friend, a nurse had came along..checked and said "its too late, shes gone" i broke down, ran out the house and fucked off in the car and just drove and drove!

I will never forget that night and part of me blames me for letting her try it, looking back now i know i should have stopped her. I think anyone that loves you fully would and should try there best to discourage you rom taking herin, never mind puting a needle in your arm.

i'm really surprised that your boyfriend of 8 years is encouraging this. Can i ask how many people on here who has baged heroin would go back and bang it agin at the stat knowing what they know now??

Hyley, how would you feel if your sister or a family member was asking you for this advice? would you tell them to go ahead.

I know i cant stop you but please hayley, minimise the risk as much as you can, as people have said at least try anothr route before iv to test for strength. Be safe hayley make sure you plan for worst case scenario and talk it over more with your boyfriend. For instance he says he doesnt want you to overthink, but do you know hat to do if he ODS? Do you knw the difference with a great nod and an OD?

if you insist on doing it please make yourself aware of all this stuff! its better to overthink than to not know.

Ultimately just live please. Would hte to see another young life wastedon heroin.

I still take it btw, but i wish i never i would love to go back to being in your situation as i can 100% garuantee i wouldnt take it never mind inject it

sorry for ranting hayley/ be safe my friend

Wow man, sorry for your loss.

hayleyescape; I know you said no preaching, but this dude lived the same situation that you are about to go into.

Can i ask how many people on here who has banged heroin would go back and bang it again at the stat knowing what they know now??

I only banged it a few times, but went back to sniffing it due to fear of OD. I don't buy the whole "you are wasting dope if you don't shoot it." I get high with people that are shooters, and I still do less than them.

 

[lorne667]

Hayley, you must do a miniscule test dose before trying for anything likely to give you a proper rush and a nod. In the UK the average bags of base H I was buying are typically 300mg. Let's assume on average it's 33% pure ((( That was purity discovered from H we had seized and tested by police, and deemed to be relatively high purity. ))) So, That leaves us with 100mg actual H. I injected a guy who had never done H before with a fifth of a bag, or 20mg or thereabouts. The guy was effectively dead within a minute, no pulse, no breathing, nothing, and this was a big guy, 6'4"ish, probable 16 stone (224lbs). I managed to keep him alive with CPR till the ambulance arrived and pumped him full of Naloxone. That's all it takes for someone with no tolerance, and you have no idea how sensitive you will be to the effects. I've no idea what average purity is where you are, but I would suggest you need to aiming for 5mg per hit, certainly no more than 10mg till you have ascertained its effects at that dose level. You can always do a second hit to increase the nod, but avoid chasing the rush for now.

20mg diamorphine is approximate to 30-50mg oxy IV. So certainly enough to kill an opioid naive person, or at least one sensitive to opioids.

before i say anything this should be taken as advice not being preached to or scolded at:

1. Other people have said it but seriously snort or smoke a little before you shoot up, I mean i dont think thats an outrageous request and it would at least prepare you a little bit for whats to come.

2. Unless your trying to do the most absolutely reckless thing possible regarding drugs, do some sort of middle ground drug first, something stonger than nugg but weaker than skag. I mean no offense but saying you want to go from weed to shooting up makes you sound like a thirteen year old smoking oregano out of a water bottle bong. Im aware its all your choice but you requested advice, and thats what you were given.

Anyway whatever you do, I hope you have a good time

To be fair, most stuides have demonstrated that heroin and morphine have identical effects and addictive potential; heroin is the considered " The msot addictive drug ever" which makes people want it, even though anyone who would take heroin of unknown quality over pharmaceutical grade morphine is a moron.

 

[lorne667]

^Both. You see, true 100% diamorphine is very, very potent, and just 2.5mg IV would be equal to 20 hydrocodone 5mg pills(IE: 20 Vicodin)

So that was my only point.

Note that I meant to say 10mg was equal to the 20 vicodin. I was using 2.5 as the ideal dose for an opioid naive person, sense that is approximately 16.5 mg hydro, and that is sufficient to buzz most users they're first time.( Damn it sounds silly telling someone the proper dose of heroin to use when they have never even taken a vicodin!!!)

 

[Ayrios]

Actually I have asked him, he doesn't want me to over think. His suggestion is that I do one match head from the seller he gets them from. I'm just scared that's too much. He says I'll be fine.

That's a totally arbitrary amount, but like I suggested before, he probably wants you to have a "proper" first experience. Your boyfriend is a long-time heroin addict and wouldn't mind you getting hooked with him. I'm sorry, but most junkies' fantasy is a girl who shoots up with him and shares the habit, even if your boyfriend is a good guy who struggles with conflicting feelings over the prospect. While I know you probably lack a milligram scale, I'm pushing for you to do 10 mg because I hope you take it to mean "a practically imperceptible amount," one much smaller than a mound the size of a match head. His suggestion of a match head for a newbie tells me the dope isn't terribly pure, so if you do the amount I'm suggesting (a tiny amount--10 mg is merely symbolic of that), you won't get a massive rush, you won't spend an hour or two nodding, but perhaps you will feel good enough to seriously reconsider what you'll be doing to yourself if your second shot is that proper shot your boyfriend doesn't want you to "overthink."

That said, as drug-naive as you are, I find it rather selfish that your boyfriend is even willing to hook you up with some dope at all, even if it is your wish. In his position, I would deny you your wish if I was confident you weren't going to go around my back and shoot it elsewhere (and I don't think you would). I know he said the same when you told him you wanted to try it, but would you really search it out on your own? Acquire needles, find someone selling, read up on IV technique, mix up a shot, find a vein, and shoot yourself up with firm resolve?

You've only smoked weed and have not had a chance to find out yet if you have an addictive personality. IV heroin was the final addictive drug I tried, so I had more than 10 years to decide if I could handle it without fucking up my life. If this sounds like preaching, note that I'm still recommending the same course of action. You're going to do it no matter what as your boyfriend is willing to make it happen, and the smallest, weakest shot you can get is the least harmful solution--one that likely won't have you immediately hooked, but a shot that could potentially warn you that doing the "real thing" [ie. a shot that renders you unable to walk straight, pupils so tiny you can't see straight, bathed in a rush of euphoria perhaps followed an hour or two later by some violent puking that you determine to be "worth the cost of admission"] would not be in your best interest.

 

[driftr]

I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to be told what to do and once my mind is made up, that's it, so I definitely understand OP's philosophy. But I'll share a tidbit of an experience I had shortly after me and my girlfriend started shooting dope, because I believe there is no such thing as too much information.

We were maybe a week into our heroin careers and had just fixed. She had not yet the desire to learn how to do it herself, which was really starting to bother me because I know all the things that can go wrong sticking needles in your arm, and I would lose my mind if I had caused something bad to happen to her along those lines. I eventually told her if she wanted to keep doing it, she was gonna have to take the reigns.

Anyway, we had just fixed and she had to go to the bathroom to take a leak(or so the H tricked her into thinking) and she was gone for, I don't know, 10 minutes. I heard 2 loud thuds and went running toward the bathroom. The sound I heard was her head bouncing off the bathroom door and then onto the floor as she fell off the toilet. That was the easy part, as she now had turned white as a ghost. I dragged her into the bedroom and put her on the bed. In addition to the pale face she now appeared to have stopped breathing and her lips were turning blue. At this point I was in tears, yelling her name but she was motionless and not responding. I was terrified. She was dying right in front of me. I panicked and thought maybe a wash cloth with cold water on her face and neck might magically bring her back, but the situation was looking worse with each passing second. I had injected too much tar into her vein, and she was paying the price.
Just about the time I realized this was more serious than anything I'd ever been a part of, and began thinking about summoning the ambulance, she moved her head and opened her eyes. This was without a doubt, the absolute best moment of my life as I was still crying, but now laughing at the same time. She had no idea what happened, of course. All she knew was there was this madman laughing hysterically, crying, and kissing her face. She looked like she had taken a hook from Mike Tyson from the bathroom door and floor, but she was alive.

People get dragged out onto the sidewalk in the same condition while someone calls 911 and everyone scatters quite often. I imagine the unlucky ones might just get thrown in a dumpster.

It sounds like your boyfriend would probably do the right thing in a similar situation.

Enjoy your first IV experience!

EDIT: To this day, I can't listen to the Perfect Circle song "Blue" without thinking about that experience. "Call it aftermath, she's turnin blue...."

 

[Soccertrendy]

i would honestly do anything to stop hayley doing this!

all you have to do is read the amount of threads there is with people trying to beat heroin!

i cant ever bring my mrs back but i wish i could prevent the death of any others! my gf managed to die through smoking too much heroin and she had taken various pill opiates, we all know how much easier it is to OD through the needle, at that risk to the fact she has taken ABSOLUTELY NO other opiates and its plain fucking madness IMO

how do you even know you will like opiates but your willing to risk puting it directly into your bloodstream!!

 

[xstayfadedx]

I never did heroin but I've known a lot of people to have. One of them just passed away and he was my boyfriend from age 12 up to 17... I broke it off with him because it was too much to deal with, he ended up dying April 18th, 2011. He was just smoking heroin too by the way and ended up dying at age 19.

I don't care if you want a lecture or not it is clearly evident the only reason you don't want one is because you're too afraid to hear them. You have the idea of oh well I'm going to do it anyways and fuck what everyone says. That's not a good attitude to have especially when going into drugs as hard as heroin. That leads you on a quick road to death. We know you're probably going to get high anyways but some of us feel better if we warn you because a lot of us seen this happen to, too many and most of them ended up at the morgue.

Going from weed to heroin is absurd and its just asking for trouble. Believe it or not you may think this is all your choice but its not. I almost was you.... I watched my boyfriend smoke heroin all the time and then suddenly I had the urge to. I loved him so much and then wanted to feel how he felt. When you're in love, love can influence so many things the good and the bad. Ask my mother she was like you and I...my father was a massive crackhead and she never did any drugs but marijuana. Guess what one day my mother made a choice all on her own as she put it to try crack. My father did not ask her to but she did. Luckily she ended up hating it and said it was the worst feeling she ever felt....she said her heart felt like it was going to explode. So yeah this isn't coincidence that you're making this leap..it happens to many. Hopefully you end up hating heroin so much that you never try it again because most likely you will be sick out of your mind.

Sadly you're a greenlighter and we may never know if you end up dying or not. Most of the time you don't see a lot of newcomers back who just needed a question answered.

Other than that good luck and start off with 10mg like others advised if you do so... You really should smoke it or snort it first to test purity. By the way I never shot heroin but I shot morphine and let me tell you that shit knocked me off my ass even after doing a lot of pharms...it was fucking heaven. So I just can imagine how heroin would be like. That's also why I gave the above advise "lecture" because I know how amazing it can be.

 

[The Rock Monster]

OP

never, ever do heroin. i wouldnt wish that kind of addiction on my worst enemy.

if youve already done it once, it may be too late.



sometimes i find myself thinking, i wish i never did it (heroin) in the first place

 

[Soccertrendy]

OP

never, ever do heroin. i wouldnt wish that kind of addiction on my worst enemy.

if youve already done it once, it may be too late.



sometimes i find myself thinking, i wish i never did it (heroin) in the first place

End of thread with the best advice yet!

Should close this now as you wont get a better post than this, obvioulsy thats just my opinion!

 

[hayleyescape]

Note that I meant to say 10mg was equal to the 20 vicodin. I was using 2.5 as the ideal dose for an opioid naive person, sense that is approximately 16.5 mg hydro, and that is sufficient to buzz most users they're first time.( Damn it sounds silly telling someone the proper dose of heroin to use when they have never even taken a vicodin!!!)

Note: I have taken vicodin, percocet, etc. but not recreationally. well, i've taken percs once recreationally, but it was a five..