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Opioids Benzo's and opiates - Really that dangerous?

Yes!!! Out of the 5 times I OD'd on heroin 4 times were with benzos in my system sometimes from the day beforehand or I had extra methadone left in my system. The time without benzos I just got out if rehab and I'd been having 0.1g deals of h & one day I had some meth & I thought the stimulation was enough but I had 0.2g this time and it very nearly killed me. Both drugs are dangerous enough. Together your asking for trouble. Most Timespecially I'd be fine but there will always be that one time your not!
 
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Friday night/Sat morning I was celebrating. Dosed 2.5mg Diclaz, then 10 units of alcohol, amnesia + disinhibition made me forget benzo dosing - added 2.5mg more. Then 400mg Codeine. Add in 150mg BK-2CB, 80mg aMT, and 150mg MPA. Added 30mg more Diclaz +2.0mg aMT.
Depressants = 8.0mg Diclazepam (mild tolerance), enough alcohol to heavily intoxicate me and 400mg Codeine which is mild compared to standard.
I nearly died. I don't remember anything past 2nd Diclaz dose at 3am Saturday. I blacked out until Monday 3pm, unresponsive, malnourished, dehydrated to the point my skin split enough to bleed. May need 5 teeth extracted because of falling, I have no balance. Memory shot. Speech slurred. Peripheral nerves barely responding, numb.

Complete coma. Severe vasoconstriction, pain in chest, blurred vision, kidney pain, black bruising along large veins - collapsed maybe?

Should get med attention - won't, can't risk blacklist for opi/benzos due to chronic anxiety/panic and chronic pain.
 
well when i took 60mg methadone (DURING 8MG LOPE MAINTNANCE nocaps) and up to 20mg etizolam that night with a bit of booze and weed I was fine and dandy. The etiz did have more of a tolerance though.

Just gotta know your body. I;ve done similar with up to 80-90mg 'done. BE SAFE. Its your body, and your consciousness. If you kill your self, who's to blame? Not the drugs.
 
Intrinsic man said:
My question is, why is this combination so terrifying to people? I understand there is significant danger if you take a lot of opiates, a lot of benzos and at the same time.
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Old thread, but meh, anyhow. I've OD'd a couple times (required CPR / naloxone) from relatively small doses of benzos and opiates, these times have been when I've had a moderate-high opiate tolerance, but low benzo tolerance - and with strong acting benzo (xanax).


But look, it's a combo that pretty much anyone into downers loves and abuses.. lord knows OD'n has never stopped me mixing benzos + opiates. But - I can honestly say, save for one time with someone who was incredible drunk before they had a hit, the ONLY times I've seen people drop from heroin, is when benzos are involved.
 
Another factor I think people don't realize is body weight/sex. OD's from the data I've read happen more to women than men do the the difference in weight. I'm 6,2 and around 180. I take benzo's 5 days a week, but usually require none during the weekend when I'm not at work. I do oxy once a month and admit I usually will take .5mg-1mg of xanax with 20-40mg of oxy. I take it after the oxy.

It's really stupid behavior. After the last time I've told myself to quit doing that. If I want to increase the nod all I need is a good bowl of weed and I get the same effects. It's playing Russian roulette every time no matter what your tolerance is. It's easy to lie to yourself what you're doing is ok. The benefits do not outweigh the risks. As so many others will say, just don't mix the two.

What really pisses me off is how DR's prescribe this combo a lot and pharmacies fill both scripts. I thought they had a drug combination warning system in place that told them script A + B could = death. So there is a lot of under educated DR's and pharmacies making this problem worse. I know I was shocked when my Nana was put on pretty large size patches of fent and scripts xanax. That shit had her really faded and unable to be herself. Thankfully she is no longer on that combination and never had a possible OD's. I even told the DR how irresponsible that mix is, but they don't get it. All they do know and say it not to drink on pain meds. They never mention the bdz/opiate combo being dangerous.

So instead we get shows like Drugs, Inc who actually discuss the issue. A recent episode in Seattle, they spoke about how 90% of OD's they see are opiate/benzo mixes. Even the junkies on the street know this. The medical community seems not to care. Instead they have volunteers going around the city teaching harm reduction to anyone who will listen.

In short, just don't do it. Like I said smoking weed on top of opiates produces pretty much the same result, without the risk.
 
It is my sad task to inform you that Caduceus1799 who posted but once on 15 July 2014, died of an apparent overdose in Melbourne, Australia on 16 January 2015 at the age of 41 years. He left behind two young daughters as well as his loving parents and brothers and a brilliant medical career as a respected Psychiatrist.

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Opiates like hydrocodone & oxycodone & morphine can be controlled & take away the pain but you need self control........benzos are life savers when used in emergencies.

You can not take benzos every day & expect not to get addicted & in trouble.......the rebound anxiety can be very severe.......also, there are people that started taking benzos while never having anxiety or panic attacks & after abusing benzos for years, have developed severe anxiety, kind of weird but that's how it works.
 
in my opinion they work well together as long as you do a little of both accordingly to tollerence, my faveorit is 1 Xanax bar and an oxy 80
 
They are dangerous together. They both suppress your breathing so in reality they pose a risk when taken together. Benzos also decrease your opiate "high" by a significant amount. While most people slur they're speech on high mg of benzos and I've found that if you mix your opiates with a benzo your more likely and have more speech problems. In my experience I have taken 3 30mg oxycodone IR and 2 Percocet 10 mg and had a great rush and since it was late I took 2 Xanax 2mg bars about 10 minutes later to put me to sleep faster and noticed I lost almost all of my opiate high and got more dopey and lost my nod and slept until 12 the next morning. I have a high tolerance to benzos and usualy don't get amnesia but this morning I forgot everything from the night before and dont remember falling asleep. I was also very sick the next morning. So I do not recommend mixing the 2.

Stay safe
 
yes for sure-here in Scotland more people die from the mix than just heroin,even if they have naltrexone (good at being back hero in overdose) it does nothing for benzos making it easier to skip back into heroin/benzo OD. benzo alone is pretty safe but it when mixed with other downers-heroin,alcohol and other downers that the deaths really go up. also staying from heroin for ages then having some,especially an injection is a recipe for disaster. I'm so lucky to have never had OD 15yrs taking that 3 but 2 best mates died from that 2 mixing (benzo and drink?) it really is a pot luck
 
Heres how it is for me.

If you have NO tolerance at all to opiates, nor benzos. Their's absolutely a GREAT chance of OD, even in small doses.

If you have a HUGE tolerance to one of the substances, lets say opiates, but are new to benzos, the risk of OD greatly reduces DOWN, still possible with high enough doses.

If you have a HUGE tolerance to both benzos AND opiates, you're chance of OD is very small. BUT still possible if taken stupid amounts, like HUGE amounts your body is not used too.

Point is here, yes, overall, it IS dangerous to combine benzos and opiates.

Currently, I have a HUGE tolerance to opiates, nearly 9 years, from hydrocodone to oxycodone, and from heroin to methadone. Been on methadone (80mg last 2+ years), and it changed my life for the better.
No more lying, stealing, or any of that junky stuff you do your family they don't deserve.

Right now, my benzo tolerance is moderate, been on them for 6 months. I'm currently tapering off benzos as I post this to not get myself another addiction on my hands.
My chance of OD is very low due to tolerance, but like I said, still possible if taken stupid amounts.

I'm currently RX'd-

80mg methadone (daily, for 2 years)

5mg clonazepam (daily, just got it RX'd last week to taper off Xanax and valium.)
 
but what I'm. saying is benzos alone have a VERY high (not safe),higher than the LD50 of paracetamol im sure so benzos alone,if your not sick and choke chances are you'll be fine as by the time you get enough down to kill you you'd have fell short due to being knocked out. although they CAN kill alone. That was a main reason for finding benzos in the first place as barbiturates were so much more dangerous and they really could give you OD easily. but yeah stupid amounts is still dangerous although I worked up to 100 10mg diazepam pills (100 pills at a time) and just in a few month along with heroin-I've been so damn lucky,I hope not many are dumb like that which is why this is a great site for harm reduction
 
Every accidental OD of mine involved adding benzo's to my opioid dose.

It is every bit as dangerous as you could imagine.
 
when mix with opiates. yes also on there own the the death threshold is huge. you added benzos to your opiates that was your problem-or added a LOT to it. Again that's why there is a huge push from NHS Scotland not sure bout rest of UK,to show the stats of OD of heroin and OD the likes of drink and benzos,it's alarming the difference :( but benzos are damn dangerous but having had addictinion to both looking back im more scared of that might have happened to me when I tool my many seizures on benzo WD compared to heroin WD,although heroin was much more intense just not near as dangerous coming off
 
I am very much aware of my 'problem', thank you.
I posted personal experience so others don't follow suit.
Seriously, guys; ain't worth it.
 
I'd like to see some actual autopsy/toxicology reports on deaths associated with opioids/benzodiazepines....I mean there is so much talk about the combination being so dangerous, but in all honesty I have never had trouble with combining benzos and opioids (as long as you are smart about it).

But I just want to tell everyone my personal experience with this....I think people overestimate the danger poly-substance abuse, but when it comes down to it benzos and opioids can be used responsibly IMO.

When people are very determined to commit suicide they don't use benzos or opioids, they use barbituates...such as secobarbital and pentobarbital. You need more than 10 grams of the stuff to successfully end your life, and there are stories of people surviving 15 grams. Now I don't know why people don't use lower dosages and combine with opioids or alcohol..but I reckon that would make the process more complicated or something.

But I don't suggest you dabble with barbituates, I usually stick with temazepam and codeine or oxycodone. I never really exceed medicinal dosages, at least not with the benzos....but 30 mg temazepam goes great with a good dose of codeine, oxycodone, or smoked H. Just know how your body reacts to the substances first before you mix any pills.


Kenaz said:
DJ Screw, Pimp C and Big Moe will be very happy to hear that codeine is weak. So will a lot of other Houston "sizzurp sippers" who died of codeine overdoses. (More precisely, a mix of codeine and the antihistamine promethazine, more often than not combined with alcohol, benzos, PCP or various other recreational chemicals).



Alcohol and benzos are also a dangerous combination, no doubt about it. As far as "more dangerous" there's a saying among people who keep 'hot' reptiles: the most venomous snake in the world is the one that just bit you. Dead from a valium and codeine overdose is just as dead as dead from Jack Daniels and xanax, or dead from IV heroin and klonopin.

And what happens if you take some benzos and start drinking after they kick in, only to fall into a "benzo blackout" where you are still moving but no longer in control of yourself? That's happened to quite a few people who wound up gobbling even more benzos and swilling down more booze, then waking up three days later in different states.
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