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Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread IV

they're definitely P. Somniferums, and others have said they've had good results from the source I get them from.

My preparation method is basically to grind the pods to a powder and then heat them in water and drink the resulting 'tea'

The main controversy I encounter when reading about poppy pods is whether it's OK to boil the pod grinds, or whether that will destroy the alkaloids
I don't have much experience with pods but with seeds cold water is definitely better as hot water pulls more of the nasty stuff that give side-effects. It is probably the same with pods. Try steeping them a while in cold or warm water with lemon juice. Boiling is probably too hot and unnecesary.
 
There's no way to do it wrong. If you didn't get good results with it, the pods weren't good. I used to prepare tea with it by grinding dried pods then mixing it into a cup of hot water. After waiting for it to steep for 30 minutes, I filtered and then drank it always with good results. Now I either eat the dried pods or grind them very fine, mix into a cup of any drink then down the whole thing. I think that you just need better quality pods.

I don't have a huge amount of choice when it comes to acquiring dried pods even though they are legal in my country

How much pod material in grams do you use to get results? Can you describe how it makes you feel when they work?

and do you boil them first?

I've tried eating the pod grinds but they taste disgusting. Since opium is very water soluble, I wouldn't have thought it necessary to eat the grinds, but if it works for you....

I have experienced some very bad effects though - copious vomiting and a raging headache, probably by consuming too much
 
The main controversy I encounter when reading about poppy pods is whether it's OK to boil the pod grinds, or whether that will destroy the alkaloids
Don't worry about that. Even if you boiled it for hours, you wouldn'tloose much. I don't see anything wrong with your method, it must be the pods. Why don't you try what I do in order to be sure: grind them up fine in a coffee grinder, mix into a liquid (coffee, juice, water; I always use either room temperature or cold liquids) then swallow the whole mixture without filtering. You don't need any lemon juice or anything else. I usually mix 5 heaping desert spoonfuls (dosage varies for everybody obviously) with water in a double expresso shot cup and take the whole thing at once like a shot.
 
I don't have much experience with pods but with seeds cold water is definitely better as hot water pulls more of the nasty stuff that give side-effects. It is probably the same with pods. Try steeping them a while in cold or warm water with lemon juice. Boiling is probably too hot and unnecesary.

I do add lemon juice, as it's said to help (although that may be an internet myth)

I boil the pod grinds for a minute or two in a saucepan to kill off any nasties that might be on them: pathogens, bacteria, mould etc...

It's often been said that the alkaloids in pods are destroyed after heating them to over 80 degrees celcius, but this was debunked as another internet myth
 
I start getting the initial effects after about 30 minutes as buzzing in my ears, pressure on the back of my neck, flushing of skin on cheeks and neck, relaxing at the back of my knees. It keeps on building and I hit the plateau after 2 hours.
 
I would skip the lemon juice because it probably causes many people to experience GI issues. When I consume all the ground up material with the liquid, it seems to be much more comfortable, I don't get stomach pain, nausea or constipation at all. Other things in the rest of the plant might be helping me to not experience GI discomfort.
I advise you to cool it down after boiling it for disinfection. But I really think that you should try consuming all the plant material as a shot which I explained earlier.
The headache and the other disturbing side effects are usually caused by taking more than enough.
 
yeah I've been steeping about 30 grams which is probably too much, but I throw away the grinds and just drink the liquid

Some people have said that consuming the grinds can lead to worse side effects and isn't necessary, but I might try it next time. I'll let you know the results

Are your dried pods definitely P. Somniferums? Is there a way to know if they're good or bad pods?
 
Yes, mine are definitely Papaver Somniferum. I live in Istanbul and Turkey is one of the biggest cultivated of state controlled poppy farming. The only kind I came across have been this kind.
Here, we even have a city named Opium in Turkish (Afyon). People give their harvest of poppy straw to the state and they produce the seperate Alkoloids from this straw. Folk also use it in their dishes ( they make a spread from the seeds for breakfast as an example). They also are famous with their clotted buffalo cream and butter because the main feed for their buffalos is Papaver Somniferum which makes the buffalo milk extra rich. So Papaver Somniferum is a big part of the culture. It's sold at florists as dried pods and it's very cheap. As long as you don't score it, you don't have any problems with law.
To understand it, I would suggest chewing a very small piece. It's supposed to be extremely bitter just like morphine and opium is. It also has a distinctive smell; it actually is very similar to #3 Heroin.
 
Yes, mine are definitely Papaver Somniferum. I live in Istanbul and Turkey is one of the biggest cultivated of state controlled poppy farming. The only kind I came across have been this kind.
Here, we even have a city named Opium in Turkish (Afyon). People give their harvest of poppy straw to the state and they produce the seperate Alkoloids from this straw. Folk also use it in their dishes ( they make a spread from the seeds for breakfast as an example). They also are famous with their clotted buffalo cream and butter because the main feed for their buffalos is Papaver Somniferum which makes the buffalo milk extra rich. So Papaver Somniferum is a big part of the culture. It's sold at florists as dried pods and it's very cheap. As long as you don't score it, you don't have any problems with law.
To understand it, I would suggest chewing a very small piece. It's supposed to be extremely bitter just like morphine and opium is. It also has a distinctive smell; it actually is very similar to #3 Heroin.

thanks, interesting to know. Turkey seems like heaven for poppy fans. It seems strange that you can possess and use pods so easily, but if you cut the sap out you're doing something illegal. Is preparing the tea illegal in Turkey?
 
I don't know but probably is illegal; I'm pretty sure that they would see it as manufacturing. I don't think that it would be any jail time though, maybe some treatment and some monetary fine. If they suspect that you are dealing, then it would be another story.
I don't think that there are many who use it for purposes other than opiate withdrawal; people are pretty ignorant about drug use. There's lots of use but minimal knowledge. I know that villagers use it as medicine for pain or GI issues but in very small doses. It's very traditional. We even have a saying that we use when we see people unhappy in the morning: "What's wrong? Your opium didn't didn't explode yet?"
 
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I think in many jurisdictions, all the law would have to do is prove you knew there was morphine or another narcotic present in your poppies, or intended to attmept to extract morphine, or even marketed the plants in any form with the understanding that morphine was present.

Growing some somnis in your mama's flower bed: that's probably OK. But if you get caught with bulk amount of pods, a grinder, and a French press (or buckets of poppy straw) stored together... yeah, you're gonna get a drug charge there.

Some jursidcitions have wised up to the use of dried P. somniferum pods as a source of opiate alkaloids and will confiscate them if found at the border, with possible criminal charges..

I advise everyone to know the law in their locale before attempting any sort of consumption of P.somni (beyond the washed seeds, in a delicious poppyseed strudel of course)
 
it's legal to buy and sell dried poppy pods here in the UK for decorative purposes, but preparing them for consumption is I presume illegal - a bit like magic mushrooms.

it's pretty crazy if you think about it: it's fine to possess a packet of poppy seeds, but if you put the seeds into a glass of water and shake them up you're committing a crime....🤔
 
Is it true that when withdrawing from seed tea you're withdrawing from 30+ alkloids at once instead of like the withdrawals from oxycodone/heroin?
 
Is it true that when withdrawing from seed tea you're withdrawing from 30+ alkloids at once instead of like the withdrawals from oxycodone/heroin?

Many alkaloids may be present, but functionally you're really withdrawing from the morphine alkaloid (and to a lesser extent the codeine, which is converted into morphine anyway). While papaverine, noscapine, thebaine, etc. may impact the way poppies/opium work as a drug, I don't think many of them are physically addictive in their own right, and most are present in quite small quantities.
 
I think in many jurisdictions, all the law would have to do is prove you knew there was morphine or another narcotic present in your poppies, or intended to attmept to extract morphine, or even marketed the plants in any form with the understanding that morphine was present. ...

Well, no, not really, now that I see you've used the word morphine over and over and over again. It's not about anything containing morphine unless you're extracting the alkaloids and then trying to separate the morphine from all the others, which is not easy BTW. And of course any kind of manufacturing activity to create a product for distribution and sale is in a different category than this thread where people are talking about making a tea out of pods for themselves and maybe having a communal experience with a few friends. US drug law bans the simple possession of any part (except the seeds and roots) of the plant named papaver somniferum lactatum in federal drug law.

Anyone interested in poppy tea and the quirks of US law on it ought to learn what happened to Jim Hogshire a very few years after publishing his book Opium for the Masses, 1994, Loompanics. Hogshire is the crux of the 1997 Harper's article by Michael Pollan https://michaelpollan.com/articles-archive/opium-made-easy/ where the author doesn't seem to grok why that knowledge makes the difference between a (potential) felony possession or manufacturing charge versus nothing to worry about. Pollan goes on and on about being befuddled by thinking of it as a thoughtcrime.

My understanding is that what's termed "poppy straw" in the US Controlled Substances Act of 1970 had not previously been illegal to possess; prior law did not ban possession of that particular plant just by itself. "Papaver somniferum l." is there defined as being a Schedule II (C-2) where the CSA defines the illegal drug as being all parts of the plant except the seeds and roots. The reason that Michael Pollan was worried first about lancing the poppy pods he had planted and then worried way more about the emails he'd sent Jim Hogshire--he worried an awful lot about many things, including worrying about police searching his trash because they could do so without a search warrant--was all of that stuff being potential evidence of his intent to use the growing poppies as a drug instead of for a purely ornamental purpose. The legislative purpose of the CSA is to deter and control the uses and abuses of psychoactive drugs, so if the person has no signs of using the stuff because it's a drug, well then at least in the US it's not a crime.

This is so also because in the US in order to be convicted of illegally possessing ANYTHING whether it's a drug or child porn or a weapon, the law seems to always have the words "knowingly and willingly" right in the very statute, and while a judge can reinterpret those words ultimately in a jury trial it'll be the jurors who can make that decision on whether there was knowledge and intent by the accused, and beyond reasonable doubt no less. But, if you're not in the US, don't count on your laws being the same.

That C-2 status of papaver somniferum means it's legal to possess with a doctor's valid prescription, and the doctor would need to have the DEA license needed to prescribe cocaine HCl or hydromorphone, and it would be a matter for their state laws or state medical board if that was legitimate medical practice which if not then the Rx would be considered invalid. Just saying. It would make no difference whether it was being prescribed (or used without Rx) for diarrhea or for pain. But it couldn't be used for purposes of maintaining the comfort of the so-called opiate addict, which is only allowed with buprenorphine for outpatients or methadone dispensed from a maintenance clinic.

P.S. The somniferum variety is not the only variety of papaver that contains morphine and such. There have been a few legal cases where the defense contended that it was a different botanical variety of poppy and it would be quite complicated and expensive for the prosecution to prove otherwise, where again, unlike many other countries, the burden of proof is on the state.
 
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Papaver somniferum pod tea: what did I do wrong?

I am new, so I dont know if he needs to be here, I ordered 1/4 lb. of papaver somniferum pods to make tea with, I started with a low dose of 5 small/medium pods to be safe. I heated water with lemon juice until boiling, took it off the range and added the ground pods. I let the pods sit for 20 minutes, then strained out the grounds before consuming it, I then waited 2 hours and ate half of the plant matter. I am not feeling typical opiate effects, if any at all. I would be itchy if I was even close to being in his euphoric zone. Why am I not feeling it? Should I just increase my dosage? My pods were grown in Washington state. If it helps,I have five pods weighed 5.2 grams.
Dont boil it
 
On benzos so you don't get stressed out and profiled from looking nervous because you're traveling with poppy pods prepared in a way which is for consumption (and therefore a schedule II drug). Not to mention, what is it drug dogs are trained with? Opium, or heroin? Is it the pure substance they smell or strong trace odors from poppy pods? Talk about a bad idea; don't bring them at all.

Think about what you will tell to the nice officer when you have a big ground up bag of plant material. Tea? They do have GC/MS machines for checking for traces of explosives - it can also check for drugs.

If I had to have it I'd be contacting my hotel to see if they'll hold a package for me until I get there (for one day). Most will and then will charge you fees after a day. Better idea IMO. If you don't have a hotel and you can't mail it somewhere then I would head over to the loperamide megathread.
The ground poppy pods smell just like regular tea to me. Difficult to say they are poppy pods if you don't know beforehand. If you stick them in a tea jar or something no one is gonna bat an eye lid. Trust me.

Poppy seeds never did anything for me. The pods are another matter instead.
They saved me this past week from withdrawal.
Had been binging on morphine and oxycodone (say around 60mg of oxy and 80mg of morphine daily plus some dihydrocodeine when I felt like it) and I got let down by my source so had nothing else but pods left.
3 or 4 tablespoons of ground pods left to steep for a few minutes in some boiling hot water always work for me.
I don't believe the heat destroys anything. They work just fine like that for me.
I then strain (but the tea is a bit gritty like that) or use coffee filters. I add sugar also. Withdrawal goes away. The effects don't last long though. Certainly not the whole day.

I'm in the UK and I was lucky to find a cheap source for the giant poppy pods. I do keep the seed from the pods I've used. They might be viable I think.
Now I'm back on pharmaceutical opioids but poppy pods are a life saver!
 
Just a quick question do people who drink poppy seed tea throw the pods away because us Punjabis throw the seed out the pod away and make poppy pod tea . Are both of us throwing a good buzz away
 
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