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Bupe Suboxone as an antidepressant need help plz !

Hi all fellaw bluelighters ,

I struggle from chronic depression since the age of 12 . I came across bupe thrue a friend who said it was a wonder med for his chronic pain without it being recreational or addictive . I have used bupe recreastinal (nasal roa) i liked its recreational effect better then kratom which was the only opioide thingy i tried yet . Since the last year i used suboxone in and out. But what i rlly was interested in was its anti depressant effect . The recreational value vanished quickly but keep noticing anti depressant effect specifically anhedonia . And this what i was on about , there is little scientific backup data for suboxone being anti depressant . I tested it , i was in a severely lethargic anhedonic mood , took good quality kratom (red) still very lethargic/anhedonic. Small amount of subs and bam 20 mins later without intoxication great improvement in anhedonia and also movement anhedonia . I know the policy in giving advice about psychological problems but plz i need advice . The avarage psychologist here is complete utter scam and bs . Could suboxone be worth helping my depression or is it to risky/addictive ? Any advice welcome , thanks for reading my post .
I was given buoe for meth abuse and depression. My doctor thought that Suboxone would help with my depression which it did!
But I also had it for meth. Because when I wasn't on, I used to feel absolutely dreadful and lie in bed for days until I got my next hit. But with the Suboxone, it stopped all that, and made me feel ok and able to get out of bed. I think it's a wonder drug😁
 
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I was given buoe for meth abuse. Yes you heard correctly. Meth not heroin. Because when I wasn't on, I used to feel absolutely dreadful and lie in bed for days until I got my next hit. But with the Suboxone, it stopped all that, and made me feel ok and able to get out of bed. I think it's a wonder drug😁
You see i have the exact same thoughts about suboxone , its a wonderfull med . It cured my ghb addiction instantly and even without subs i don't crave it anymore . I only get negative reply's mostly for using it as an antidepressant , but suboxone is alot less negative then any other fda approved anti depressant so i don't take that . It also helped my stim/porn addiction . I don't get it why this med is so strictly regulated while i can get stimulants with ease even with a abuse history (Holland) . But suboxone whoho no we can't prescribe something that actually does help ..
 
ALL opioids have antidepressant properties IMO.
Full agonists are even better & more consistent than bupe.
But it's not a good idea to get an opioid habit.

For those who are already opioid addicts or dependent, then I think they should have a human right to use whatever opioid helps their depression.
But unless you have a consistent hook up for that opioid, then eventually you're going to run out and feel 100x worse than you were before.
So it's a slippery slope. I used suboxone as antidepressant at first too (actually I used all opioids for this reason) but suboxone still provided some of that antidepressant effect & lasted all day.

I've been on subs for about 7 years almost & it still helps some what to this day. But not as much as it use to.
Before opioids though, I was severely depressed & suicidal.

On bupe, I may not be as suicidal & crazy as I use to be, but the depression does come back once you no longer get any effects out of it.
I find that bupe helps stabilize my mood in the same way as mood stabilizers/antipsyches, but without the dysphoric, zombified & brain destroying feelings of those actual class of drugs. So while bupe may not make me feel good anymore, it can stop my mood from getting too low some days.

I feel like if people were given the option to rotate & switch up their opioid, then I'd be able to get that antidepressant effect back.
 
Ssri's never worked for me, crazy side effects. Mirtazapine saved my life.
Not all depression can be fixed with exercise.
 
ALL opioids have antidepressant properties IMO.
Full agonists are even better & more consistent than bupe.
But it's not a good idea to get an opioid habit.

For those who are already opioid addicts or dependent, then I think they should have a human right to use whatever opioid helps their depression.
But unless you have a consistent hook up for that opioid, then eventually you're going to run out and feel 100x worse than you were before.
So it's a slippery slope. I used suboxone as antidepressant at first too (actually I used all opioids for this reason) but suboxone still provided some of that antidepressant effect & lasted all day.

I've been on subs for about 7 years almost & it still helps some what to this day. But not as much as it use to.
Before opioids though, I was severely depressed & suicidal.

On bupe, I may not be as suicidal & crazy as I use to be, but the depression does come back once you no longer get any effects out of it.
I find that bupe helps stabilize my mood in the same way as mood stabilizers/antipsyches, but without the dysphoric, zombified & brain destroying feelings of those actual class of drugs. So while bupe may not make me feel good anymore, it can stop my mood from getting too low some days.

I feel like if people were given the option to rotate & switch up their opioid, then I'd be able to get that antidepressant effect back.
But with subs it doesn't feel like i have used something . Its not that long that i fully understand that opioides have a superb antidepressant effect hence why heroïne is so extremely addictive . I kinda beginning to understand why heroïne is ranked n1 duo to personal issues . I do read however before the lobotomy era they succesfully treated severe suicidal depression with opioides on a humane way . After that they did lobotomy's , i was baffled like what the fuck ? I do feel however suboxone and kratom are the only 2 that can be used this way , because of suboxone ceiling effect you won't ever get an out of hand addiction in my opinion . I can't get my hands on full opioide agonist but i am glad i can't because i would instantly be hooked . I suffer from personality disorders and depression from the age of 12 (33 now) . I have used the conventional way of treating depression with fda approved meds like ssri's which in turn chemically castrated me for years after quitting the med. I stumbled on suboxone because i know that 1 dude that has it (no one has suboxone) it treated my severe ghb addiction and stim usage . Also forget about therapy or anything because its horrible here and utterly useless . Sorry kinda venting here , thx for your post .
 
Ssri's never worked for me, crazy side effects. Mirtazapine saved my life.
Not all depression can be fixed with exercise.
I actually am on mirtazapine myself for a long time 30mg , i don't rlly know what it does atm but i also don't rlly have bad side effects . Ssri gave me pssd for a long time which are sexual dysfunction persisting long after quitting . It made me suicidal .
 
It find the same it stabalizes my mood
ALL opioids have antidepressant properties IMO.
Full agonists are even better & more consistent than bupe.
But it's not a good idea to get an opioid habit.

For those who are already opioid addicts or dependent, then I think they should have a human right to use whatever opioid helps their depression.
But unless you have a consistent hook up for that opioid, then eventually you're going to run out and feel 100x worse than you were before.
So it's a slippery slope. I used suboxone as antidepressant at first too (actually I used all opioids for this reason) but suboxone still provided some of that antidepressant effect & lasted all day.

I've been on subs for about 7 years almost & it still helps some what to this day. But not as much as it use to.
Before opioids though, I was severely depressed & suicidal.

On bupe, I may not be as suicidal & crazy as I use to be, but the depression does come back once you no longer get any effects out of it.
I find that bupe helps stabilize my mood in the same way as mood stabilizers/antipsyches, but without the dysphoric, zombified & brain destroying feelings of those actual class of drugs. So while bupe may not make me feel good anymore, it can stop my mood from getting too low some days.

I feel like if people were given the option to rotate & switch up their opioid, then I'd be able to get that antidepressant effect back.
For me it also stabalizes my mood and the nice thing about suboxone i can take a small dose as 0.15/0.20 and have that effect . Its also an on demand working anti depressant . While some may say the anti depressant effects will leave so does every ad medication approved by the fda . You are still dependant , at least with suboxone it starts working again if you quit and its always usable but impossible unfortunately to get prescribed of you don't have an opioide addiction . I think these meds should be more accessible for out of the box thinking instead of the same circle of fake "help" what i mostly see in clinics.
 
I mean you're an adult and can make your own decisions. Just know bupe is just as physically addicting as other opioids. It is a more functional drug for sure. The effect will fade with time, though. Like it does with every drug that affects the brain.
I've been on bupe for a long time now, idk, 7 years? I still get a positive effect when I take it. Though it is, much more fleeting than it used to be. I took a break and switched to Kratom for a while which I think actually made me more high in a way, I got overconfident, and said stupid things at stupid times. Suboxone doesn't do that, so I switched back. I'll probably be on it for the rest of my life. Are you ready to face that fact if you continue? Because it is a fairly high probability. If something happens with your doctor or your finances, things could get tricky. Just some things to think about.
 
I found short-term (7 days) buprenorphine treatment totally removed my opioid dependence. Didn't touch an opioid for over a year until a doctor gave me codeine AND oxycodone for chronic pain. I had only been using the opioids FOR said chronic pain,...

But I'm just shocked when I hear of people being on 32mg/day for years. I'm not judging, I just found the effects dreadful.

Any more than 2mg gave me severe anxiety. Maybe for stimulant dependent people, what I felt as anxiety they felt as stimulation. I BEGGED to take 2mg every 6 hours but NO, I HAD to take all 8mg at once... officially. My drug worker whispered 'use it however works for you'.
 
I mean you're an adult and can make your own decisions. Just know bupe is just as physically addicting as other opioids. It is a more functional drug for sure. The effect will fade with time, though. Like it does with every drug that affects the brain.
I've been on bupe for a long time now, idk, 7 years? I still get a positive effect when I take it. Though it is, much more fleeting than it used to be. I took a break and switched to Kratom for a while which I think actually made me more high in a way, I got overconfident, and said stupid things at stupid times. Suboxone doesn't do that, so I switched back. I'll probably be on it for the rest of my life. Are you ready to face that fact if you continue? Because it is a fairly high probability. If something happens with your doctor or your finances, things could get tricky. Just some things to think about.
Yes i have thought about that , i actually am tapering but i am only on it for couple of months and not all the time , in the past week its like 0.30/0.50 1 time daily . Suboxone won't cure anything but its definitely a helpfull tool at least for me . Unfortunately every med is practically physically addictive , i don't honestly feel that suboxone is that addicitve if you don't overdo it .
 
Yes i have thought about that , i actually am tapering but i am only on it for couple of months and not all the time , in the past week its like 0.30/0.50 1 time daily . Suboxone won't cure anything but its definitely a helpfull tool at least for me . Unfortunately every med is practically physically addictive , i don't honestly feel that suboxone is that addicitve if you don't overdo it .

It's an odd one because norbuprenorphine (active metabolite) is a full agonist.... only 1/4th the potency of bup but I wonder if THAT us what makes people like it?
 
It's an odd one because norbuprenorphine (active metabolite) is a full agonist.... only 1/4th the potency of bup but I wonder if THAT us what makes people like it?
What exactly do you mean ? That lower doses have different effect ? The opioide dependancy dose is alot higher then taking it for my purpose . I don't go higher then 1 or 1.5 mg max .
 
I mean you're an adult and can make your own decisions. Just know bupe is just as physically addicting as other opioids. It is a more functional drug for sure. The effect will fade with time, though. Like it does with every drug that affects the brain.
I've been on bupe for a long time now, idk, 7 years? I still get a positive effect when I take it. Though it is, much more fleeting than it used to be. I took a break and switched to Kratom for a while which I think actually made me more high in a way, I got overconfident, and said stupid things at stupid times. Suboxone doesn't do that, so I switched back. I'll probably be on it for the rest of my life. Are you ready to face that fact if you continue? Because it is a fairly high probability. If something happens with your doctor or your finances, things could get tricky. Just some things to think about.
Do you know how to tell your physically addictive to bupe ? After how long should wd appear if discontinued ? I do feel suboxone does have psychological rebound and insomnia after like 5 days .
 
What exactly do you mean ? That lower doses have different effect ? The opioide dependancy dose is alot higher then taking it for my purpose . I don't go higher then 1 or 1.5 mg max .

That while it's sold as a partial agonist when one of it's major metabolites is a full agonist,

The Chinese have developed thienorphine which has a duration of 72 hours and a lot more of the metabolite is present.... so it's like the ORLAAM to bupes methadone.
 
Do you know how to tell your physically addictive to bupe ? After how long should wd appear if discontinued ? I do feel suboxone does have psychological rebound and insomnia after like 5 days .

That could well be the metabolite.
 
Do you know how to tell your physically addictive to bupe ? After how long should wd appear if discontinued ? I do feel suboxone does have psychological rebound and insomnia after like 5 days .
You'd probably start to get some mild withdrawal effects after 3 weeks. But its different for everybody. And for return users, its happens faster. So you might have leeway that us longtime users don't have anymore. Don't forget its a very long half life so withdrawal may not be fully felt for up to a week after you stop.

Edit: Or are you asking how long w/d will last? Well, it depends how long you've been using, and how much. Perhaps a week after the effects start, you'll be past the hardest part. But the effects will linger for a while.
 
There must be a large psychological element because I got nothing. I just stopped. But the fact it caused so much anxiety might suggest that my body wasn't N-dealkylating it very well.
 
There must be a large psychological element because I got nothing. I just stopped. But the fact it caused so much anxiety might suggest that my body wasn't N-dealkylating it very well.
I definitely get wanting to take it in smaller increments. I take 16mg a day but usually in 3 doses, sometimes 4 doses. I feel pretty weird if I take it all at once. But not weird like stimulated, weird like fall asleep drooling.
 
You see i have the exact same thoughts about suboxone , its a wonderfull med . It cured my ghb addiction instantly and even without subs i don't crave it anymore . I only get negative reply's mostly for using it as an antidepressant , but suboxone is alot less negative then any other fda approved anti depressant so i don't take that . It also helped my stim/porn addiction . I don't get it why this med is so strictly regulated while i can get stimulants with ease even with a abuse history (Holland) . But suboxone whoho no we can't prescribe something that actually does help ..
I'm talking about the same thing, Suboxone. When I said Bupe I was just shortening the word. I was given Suboxone to pick up every day. Oh man, I loved the drug. There's so many people who are anti it though. Strange 😚
 
You see i have the exact same thoughts about suboxone , its a wonderfull med . It cured my ghb addiction instantly and even without subs i don't crave it anymore . I only get negative reply's mostly for using it as an antidepressant , but suboxone is alot less negative then any other fda approved anti depressant so i don't take that . It also helped my stim/porn addiction . I don't get it why this med is so strictly regulated while i can get stimulants with ease even with a abuse history (Holland) . But suboxone whoho no we can't prescribe something that actually does help ..
I am talking about the same thing Suboxone:- Bupe is the abbreviation I'm sure. So yes, great little helper 😁
 
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